How would a CIS person react to HRT ?

[OMGCherese]

Interesting discussion!

My sister is MTF however, after she was put on E and Spiro, she's been even more violent and depressed. I know all this isn't a one size fits all thing, but it's interesting how the calming effects of E seem to have no effect.

When I briefly tried out Pueraria Mirifica out of curiosity, there were two things I noticed:
- I was a lot more calm, it kinda felt like I had... I don't know, manages to find myself again
- I gained some weight

So, I'm not sure if that throws a wrench in the discussion, or perhaps some people just don't "feel" the effects. I just wanted to add to the discussion.


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[krobinson103]

Interesting discussion!

My sister is MTF however, after she was put on E and Spiro, she's been even more violent and depressed. I know all this isn't a one size fits all thing, but it's interesting how the calming effects of E seem to have no effect.

When I briefly tried out Pueraria Mirifica out of curiosity, there were two things I noticed:
- I was a lot more calm, it kinda felt like I had... I don't know, manages to find myself again
- I gained some weight

So, I'm not sure if that throws a wrench in the discussion, or perhaps some people just don't "feel" the effects. I just wanted to add to the discussion.


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The details around herbals aren't allowed here but I too tried it and I think that since it binds to estrogen receptor sites (with a far weaker effect) it probably meets the needs of the brain to have those sites occupied and thus helps with the mental state.

[Tatiana 79]

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[CarlyMcx]

When I was a kid, the folks in the Penal system had another name for administering female hormones to a cis male.  They called it "chemical castration for sex offenders."

The practice has been discontinued because it tended to cause depression, weight gain, and lots of adverse medical side effects.

[ChrissyRyan]

When I was a kid, the folks in the Penal system had another name for administering female hormones to a cis male.  They called it "chemical castration for sex offenders."

The practice has been discontinued because it tended to cause depression, weight gain, and lots of adverse medical side effects.

Well, that makes sense.  If that medicine was unwanted, I can imagine why a guy would become depressed.  It also makes sense that being in prison itself would seem to depress many people.

[AnonyMs]

Here's a cis-women's own words on how it feels to accidentally take a transitioning dose of T.

Im not sure any of you still follow this but here is my update after taking the (half of) Nebido injection:

Almost immediately I started sweating more, was warm all the time, and had oily skin. For the first couple of weeks I had weird flue like symptoms but I didn't actually have a cold. I was much more hungry and had to eat all the time. I was more tired. Later on, my energy levels went up. My body became harder and I had a more toned shape even though I was not working out more. I was not exactly stronger in the gym, I think I would have needed a larger dose for that, but while exercising It felt different. More pumping feeling in the muscles I worked, and I would get red with blood rushing to face and torso.. training was more fun to be honest.

My sweet and (believe it or not) my vagina started smelling completely different. Not bad, just different. Or to be exact, I went from not really having any particular odor, to having one. And on that note, my clitoris grew in length and girth. Its about 2 cm now if u measure it pedantically from bottom to top, and the tip is very visible and round, you can actually protract the skin around it. As I feel all the effects subsiding, the smells neutralizing completely, muscle tone going down, apatite decreasing, I can see that my clitoris is slightly smaller but so far, I would say enlargement is not reversible.

And more on that note, I became savagely horny, extremely active and getting into things that are labeled as pervers by some...but important to say that this was not a whole new thing, I am that way, except now everything was exponentially heightened. And the space from thinking about something to actually just doing it was greatly reduced. My clitoris and penetration felt completely different, so much more sensitive, and my orgasms have never been so strong and well, heavenly. My clitoris would orgasm so hard that it hurt afterwards...

Thick stray hairs grew on my chin and cheeks. Didn't notice anywhere else. Have had one laser treatment on face and it seems to be working really well to remove the hairs. No acne as I was ridiculously careful to cleanse and go for facials every week. No voice change.

About how I felt and my general well being, I did not feel depressed, and no anger issues. I felt more confident overall, less tolerant of BS if you know what I mean. More of a do-er than a thinker and dreamer...But these are very subtle feelings. I was the same person, this was only noticeable to me. In the beginning, I had a lot of anxiety because I didn't want my body to change. That went down as I realized I was not going to entirely transform. I would say the only downside now is my clitoris. It doesn't bother me so much, I kind of like it as it brings me a lot of fun, but its like a new body part, and I admit i'm scared someone I like is going to find it of putting.

This experience taught me that actually, I was/am much more comfortable in my body than I understood, and I can enjoy my body so much more than I did. It made me more comfortable in who I am, and triggered me to stop repressing big parts of my personality (not referring only to sexual aspects). It really made me realize that I don't want my body to change, that I love my femininity, so I imagine it must be the opposite of what a transman feels.

BUT if I could stop the changes to my body, I would take a little bit of testosterone for the rest of my life... I don't really know or care about what that says about me and my identity.

I hope this was somehow interesting to you guys that wanted to know how things would turn out. Thanks again to everyone that replied to my post 10 weeks ago.
Be well <3

No I had never experimented with testosterone before. This was the first time.

Yes I most definitely did. I understand how men can look at a person and only see what they can do to their bodies...not see the person..How they can talk for days and do all kinds of things just to get to undress someone and well....orgasm.. I understand the impulsive arousal completely, that no amount of sexual encounters is enough, not the way a woman can feel satisfied with one person. And the fact it can be triggered easily and very visually ie just looking at something. Its really hard to explain but I actually understand why men (and I am generalizing for simplicity) don't seem to get it when women analys things and bring up issues etc... It was incredible to feel like you were experiencing the world from a different point of view entirely. I get why men cheat now. But I also understand that the ones that don't, are more evolved and have learnt to control their bodies and actions. It is probably possible to find a man that wont cheat, BUT there would need to be a really strong emotional bond, and a person who is brought up to respect that boundary.

If a man tells me they are not turned on by a naked woman, a porn flick, a strip club etc I will know for sure they are not being truthful. Its just biology and I bet its much worse for them than what I experienced. What I WILL look for though, is someone that honestly says they have all kinds of desires, but has the power to control themselves and know right from wrong if they are in a committed relationship.....

If any men here want to correct me, they are welcome :9

[SeptagonScars]

I have another cis woman's story of being on a transitioning dose of testosterone, mine:

I'm a detransitioning woman who thought I was a trans man before. When I first went on testosterone it felt like a relief. That my mind got less cluttered and my emotions easier to manage, and I liked the physical changes that made my body more masculine. However, the reason I liked the changes was because it was (subconsciously) an escape and the testo basically fed my desire to escape being a woman and all the hurt I had endured for being female. It was a relief, but not because of a gender/sex mismatch and that's why it took me so long to discover, but eventually it did catch up with me.

I was on testo for 6 years in total before me actually being cis caught up with me. Leading up to that moment, a few days before it hit me, I started getting dysphoric feelings about my male traits and seeing a man in the mirror. It confused me a lot. When it actually hit me and I knew what was going on, I got instantly super dysphoric about my male sex characteristics that T had given me over the years, while I was suddenly fine with being female and wanted to look female again. Basically my dysphoria went reverse upon realisation.

It took me a while though, before I came to the conclusion that I want to go off testo. I thought that I like my new fat distribution and the psychological effects, the higher libido and not having periods which are all reversible effects. And I'd been on it for so long now it's not likely to cause more masculinising effects. I made a list of pros and cons that I kept going back to, to tweak on, and over time I had less and less reasons to stay on the hormone. And now I want to go off it.

Now, I'm still not complaining about the fat distribution and would prefer it to stay this way if that was possible without continuing taking the T. I actually like my deep voice despite it totally sounding like a man's voice. What makes me dysphoric concerning the changes I got is the excess hair growth, facial hair, excess sweating, "manly" body odour, and vaginal atrophy that I have to take meds for. The changes not mentioned I'm either okay with or actually like.

So that's how I reacted to starting and being on hrt as a cis person. But I am not every cis person or a very typical one. If I had gone on T without first thinking I was a man, or for any other reason than being trans, I likely would have reacted very differently to it. For the past 5 years, continuously, my T levels were always in the upper healthy male range, btw. The first year I took it I self-medicated and had no idea what my levels were.