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Started by Emma1017, August 24, 2018, 12:42:27 PM

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Emma1017

O&C, HRT definitely changed me, physically and emotionally.  My wife supports me and, not happy, accepts me.
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Oldandcreaky

My question was whether she's ever been near when someone addressed you as female, and if so, did she react? I ask because the people who've only seen daily, ever-so-slight, incremental change often miss the accumulative, big change.

Back when I was still presenting as male, I attended a workshop with a colleague. Other than her, everyone was else was seeing me for the first time and saw me as female, even though I was presenting as male.

Off to the side, "They see me as female."

"Nah," she replied.

"Just listen," I said.

So, she did, and she heard "she" and "her."

She was astonished. She couldn't see it, i.e. the change in me, but she heard the change in others and understood that they saw it.

I'm wondering if your wife has had a similar experience, because when my colleague did, to the best of her ability, she looked at me anew.

Emma1017


She has and she quietly observes.  After all this time she accepts what I am but she still wants it kept private.  No one has been directly confrontational so it still is deniable.  I haven't gone away and she hasn't asked me to go away. 

We still take joy in each other's company. 

Oldandcreaky

Thanks for answering, Emma. It sounds like you've set a comforting course.
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ChrissyRyan

Quote from: Emma1017 on April 23, 2024, 06:45:49 PMShe has and she quietly observes.  After all this time she accepts what I am but she still wants it kept private.  No one has been directly confrontational so it still is deniable.  I haven't gone away and she hasn't asked me to go away. 

We still take joy in each other's company. 

I am glad your relationship is steadfast.

Chrissy
Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Be brave, be strong.  Try a little kindness.  I am a brown eyed brunette. 
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Oldandcreaky

Quote from: ChrissyRyan on April 23, 2024, 07:59:27 PMI am glad your relationship is steadfast.

Chrissy

I'll tell you what's steadfast: Miss ChrissyRyan!
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Emma1017



I agree O&C, Chrissy is steadfast and always has your back!

The one giveaway for my wife regarding my gender is the size of my breasts.  I do a good job disguising but at home, there is no hiding them.  :D
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Emma1017


"I have had several dog owners say, "My dog really loves you. She only loves women, but she really loves you."  Dogs can suss us out with a sniff."

O&C, I reread your comment today because I had exactly the same experience this past last week.

I have developed a female friend who I originally hired to help me with my makeup. She rents a studio in a women's center in lower Manhattan. I meet her there so I can do my gender wardrobe change from my male role to the female me. Her friendship gives me a sense of safety, caring, and support that my soul is bursting to feel.

When I met her at the studio, there was a group of women getting ready for a karaoke party sitting on a group of couches. Some knew me and others were strangers. I was introduced as Emma even though I was still wearing my male street clothes.

Standing there I attracted the attention of Frankie, a vicious, man-hating dog that threatened to rip my legs off. I quickly retreated to the changing room with my friend and firmly closed the door to protect me from the rabid teeth of an avenging man-hating dog.

I joyfully shed the male costume and began to relax as I became me. We were planning on some light shopping and a trip to a local coffee shop. As I slowly opened the door, fearing another attack by the vicious, misandrist dog, this is what I found:

                 

Frankie came over and started to lick my hand. The women all looked on with shock. Frankie never did that with men, ever. I smiled at all of them and said, "That's easy to understand. I am not a man. I am a woman."

I had passed the "Frankie" test.  I no longer fear being clocked. Frankie knows better.



Emma1017

So I am back from Ireland after traveling the entire circumference of the Irish coastline with two other couples in a minivan for twelve days...we had lots of laughs but it was way too much "close time" with each other.  Thankful we hired a driver to keep the friction to a minimum.

But I learned my lesson: I will not organize another road trip with friends again. 

At least the pubs eased my pain.

The weather was wonderful with only two days of rain. One of the rainy days was touring Bushmills distillery and the other was walking in museums.

The real vacation was not watching the US news reports and the endless TV drug ads.

None of my friends know I am transgender so it was a classic cisgender vacation.  I had a good time but it was also good to be home.

Oh yeah, the added bonus was that we had a great view of the Northern Lights too.  That takes Iceland off my vacation bucket list.







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Devlyn

Iceland is great, put it back on your list! The ride from the airport to Reykjavik might as well have been done on the Lunar Rover based on the scenery.  :)

Hugs, Devlyn
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Emma1017

Devlyn I will keep that in mind....even if the volcanos won't stop erupting. ;D
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ChrissyRyan

I agree that Iceland is great.  Other parts of Europe are also.  Hawaii is too. 
Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Be brave, be strong.  Try a little kindness.  I am a brown eyed brunette. 
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Emma1017


Happy Pride Everyone!!!




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I was feeling my Pride Month vibe this week.

Working in Manhattan, you would think that I would have a wide selection of transgender bars, but there aren't many. In fact, I was aware of only one in the Hells Kitchen part of the city. The ads made it look like a strip club and the reviews felt like the transgender female staff were there to be ogled.

It was not what I was looking for.

I had been to several lesbian and gay bars. The people were great but I still felt like an outsider, the same feeling I had in cisgender bars. I just didn't feel like I fit in.

At a slow moment at work, I Googled "Transgender bars in NYC" and was surprised that there was a new trans bar that just opened up. It was called the T Lounge and its motto was "A Safe Place for Everyone." It sounded like exactly what I was looking for.

It opened at 5 pm so I went there after work. I went alone because I wasn't sure what kind of bar it was. When I got there at 5:30, it was empty. It was just me, the owner, and the two bartenders. I ordered a Happy Hour drink and the three of us spent the next hour just talking about being transgender and about being women.

I had a great time because I finally felt like I belonged!

It also gave me a chance to appreciate the cultural differences among members of the transgender community. The owner and one of the bartenders were Hispanic and the other was black. All three were decades younger than me. I am a white baby-boomer.

Questions and answers flew around the bar as we compared our experiences with each other.

They were much more sexually and physically aware of their bodies than I was and the conversation took many entertaining twists and turns as I ordered a second drink.

It was Happy Hour, after all.

They talked about moving fat around to make a bigger butt, breast surgery, and bottom surgery. They teased me about my ignorance about sexual positions and sweetly scolded me that I should let my hair grow.

I had worn the man-tailored shirt from work that I immediately took off as I sat down. It was over a women's clingy nylon t-shirt. My natural 44D breasts were very evident. They were jealous and wondered why I wasn't wearing a bra. I told them I wasn't out at work and that bra straps would be obvious.

They all told me that they loved my natural "titties".

I cringed at the use of "titties" but I did share their excitement in having them. The conversation flowed naturally and we all laughed about some of the crazy experiences you can have being transgender.

I loved every minute of it.

We also talked about the ugly side of being transgender. They shared stories of young transgender friends who committed suicide, ones who used the sex trade so that they could afford surgeries, the "creepy" guy stalkers, and the painful rejection of family and friends.

The owner told me it took years to get her liquor license because the local community board was concerned about the safety of children in the neighborhood. We all laughed at that because her bar was surrounded by the largest gay and lesbian community in the country.

"Who were all these dangerous transgender women?" we asked each other.

We all shared the bitterness of that moment with some well-chosen curses. I was among friends who knew firsthand who the enemies were.

I finished my third drink and left there promising to come back, knowing I would be back. I liked being in the "right" place.

I made one more stop on my way home, my annual Pride pilgrimage to the Stonewall Inn.

As I entered this time I noted a difference. It was filled with cisgender, gay, and lesbian millennials. As a transgender baby boomer, I felt out of place. I ordered a beer anyway and saluted the historical past and the transgender women who started it all, wearing my transgender bracelet with pride.

I raised my beer in salute.

Cheers Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera, and thank you ladies for everything!




Gina P

Sounds like a nice bar. You would think NY would be loaded with trans bars.
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That's cool some place you can hang out without judgment. Nothing around me but then I have no trouble going anywhere.
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Emma1017


Gina I am shocked as well.  There should be more transgender bars but I assume there isn't enough to support a bar every day.  There many gay and lesbian bars, but it just doesn't feel like "home".

Davina you have more options because you are fully out.  I still present as male and I am not comfortable going out alone female.  Not a safe decision.  I need to find new friends and that is hard to do for anyone that is transgender and still stealth.  Too many social variables. Doing it is tough for just cisgender people.


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Nice, and Ryan Kristafer shine the spotlight on it on good day new york on fox. I stop drinking a few years ago, but I'll probably check it when I'm in the area just to say hi and congratulate them.
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