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Started by Asche, August 27, 2018, 09:29:04 PM

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Asche


Various posters have encouraged me to post about things in my life even if they aren't exactly trans-related, and one of the bigger things in my life is PTSD (Complex PTSD, to be more precise.)

I tried a few times to write a coherent description of the PTSD in my life, and I couldn't.  I think that's kind of the point: the essence of trauma is that it overwhelms the nervous system's ability to cope, so you don't get a coherent narrative, just fragments.  You get images split off from feelings and overwhelming feelings split off from whatever caused them.  So I'm just going to post every now and then about a fragment or two.

Anyway, one of those fragments is what I now think is separation anxiety.  As an adult, I heard from someone who my mother told that when my mother was pregnant with my younger brother, she was put on bed rest to prevent a miscarriage and was not allowed to hold me.  I've calculated that this must have been when I was 15 months old, give or take a few months.  My mother did tell me "you used to be my cuddly baby, but then you suddenly wouldn't have anything to do with me."

Last week, when I was at a music and dance camp, I got to see classic separation anxiety.  There was a mother there with a one-year-old child.  The child was okay when her mother was holding her or right next to her, but the minute her mother went away -- for instance, to get a cup of coffee -- she would start howling and crying and was inconsolable until her mother returned.  I try to imagine what it would do to a child to be in that much distress, not just for a few minutes, but for a month or more.  She had a fairly good relationship with her father -- he was the only person besides her mother that she would allow to pick her up -- but he wasn't enough.

I have, of course, no memories from that time.  It's all a blank.  But I can't think of anyone who was around when I was that age who could have given me any sense of safety; my relatives were and by and large still are pretty emotionally unavailable.  I still can't imagine what it must have been like.  I only know that when something makes me feel like I'm not in control of things, I feel a deep-seated panic, as if I were being dropped into the middle of an unpopulated, uncharted wilderness, to survive or not; rather like the babies who were left out on the hillside to die back in ancient Greece.

I'd like to think that if my parents had been different, I might have gotten over it.  But they weren't.  Basically, my parents were willing to handle the easy parts of caring for children, but simply did nothing or went into denial when anything emotionally difficult came up.  In a sense, they kept repeatedly emotionally abandoning me for as long as they were alive, and the real turning point in my life came when, as a teenager, I finally convinced myself never to ask for or hope for any help from them in handling my life.  I even started calling them Mr. and Mrs. <my last name>, and never got any response.  I might just as well have been raised by robots.  (Cf.: the Harry Harlow monkey experiments.)




"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



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Rayna

Asche, I'm so sorry about your PTSD.  You've probably already explored counseling, but there are specific techniques for PTSD, including EMDR, which are supposed to be helpful.  We have a lot of expertise in PTSD treatment here, near our Army base  :(
If so, then why not?
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Sno

Hi hon.

I too have cPTSD - it's a long story - suffice to say I have vast tracts of my childhood that are blank.

If you were "separated" from your mother at that age (or denied comfort), then it's likely that you have an attachment disorder as well as the cPTSD (I'm in the same boat). Have a look at RAD (reactive attachment disorder) and disinhibited social engagement disorder (that's what I suspect I have), for some extra clues/pointers that may help your journey.

From your description it sounds like you've experienced parentification (having to look after yourself when the going got tough), and at least emotional abuse/neglect.

EMDR has been shown to have a positive result where the emotion, or trauma is easily available to recall, but is contra-indicated on long term systemic trauma/neglect - as a therapeutic path, it can set off an emotional avalanche, when the log jam is removed - and the result of that emotion/processing can be devastating- so approach with caution only on the advice of your therapist.

I'm currently working with Internal Family Systems therapy (as cPTSD in many ways through its fragmentation of self can mirror DID - though I suspect I'm closer to that boundary.. :( ).

YouTube has a number of cPTSD "managers" (survivors), folk like Tanja Windegger, and Post Traumatic Victory to name a few.

Have a watch, we are not alone.

A technique that is worth learning is Havening - a method to self soothe - it's not difficult, and may work for you.

And so, it appears dear friend, that we wander in similar parts of the forest. Be kind and gentle to yourself - you deserve nothing less.

(Hugs)

Rowan
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Virginia

Childhood Emotional Neglect (CEN)
This in combination with sexual and psychological abuse led me to develop Dissociative Identity Disorder/Multiple Personality Disorder (DID/MPD) to cope with the trauma. You can read more in my post, "Childhood Trauma Survivor Misdiagnosed as Transsexual with Gender Dysphoria" at https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,176195.msg1548804.html#msg1548804

The plus side of DID is that it enabled me to live a happy, normal life til I was 48 by developing a series of 5 alters to protect me. The problems began when my System collapsed under its own weight in 2009; I have been in trauma recovery ever since.
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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Sno

Hi Virginia,

It could be CEN, or it could be emotional incest (my case), or emotional abuse (also, me).

I know you'd be around though :)

Thanks

Rowan
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Virginia

@ Sno
I knew you'd be here too, Rowan. It seems the same people keep showing up to discuss the hard things others are often unable to face.

Wishing you peace, Asche

~VA
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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Asche

I am seeing a therapist who is trained in a number of trauma treatment techniques and continues training.  It's slow going, though.  I've read van der Kolk's book, and he mentions that people who never had anyone they felt safe with -- which describes me -- have a particularly hard time healing.  At some level, I don't trust anyone; I feel like I have to constantly be on my guard, since they'll all betray me sooner or later.  (I only really feel safe when I'm completely alone.)

BTW, keep in mind, in my OP, I only described one of the fragments.  There are others.

My therapist has tried EMDR on me, but the one time I got close to what I felt back then, when I was as close to suicide as I've ever been (I still don't know why I never went through with it), I dissociated to the point that I literally could not remember how I started a sentence by the time I was halfway through it.  I find the memory of it scary, but at the time I didn't have enough of a mind to be scared.

She's been trying other stuff, like sensory motor.  We tried hypnosis, but as soon as I got close to being in a trance, I had this vision of swarms of yellow jackets (wasps) trying to sting my eyeballs, which she interpreted as my subconscious saying "no, she's not ready."  Meanwhile, I've been observing myself and trying to catch memories and  connect emotions with memories and memories with emotions, like I described in my OP.  I've also been having episodes where my body reacts as if I were in severe pain; sometimes I'm aware of pain (to the point of wishing someone would kill me to end it), sometimes not.  I still don't know what they are about.  Fortunately, those episodes don't last more than a minute or so, I don't think I could take more.
"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



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Virginia

#7
Yes, perhaps not yet ready for EMDR or hypnotherapy...
These techniques are extremely risky for people with dissociative minds because of the potential for doing an end run around their protective mechanisms put in place by the brain. They are not used at all for people with DID.

Quote from: Asche on August 28, 2018, 06:59:03 AM
I feel like I have to constantly be on my guard, since they'll all betray me sooner or later.

As do I...to the point of setting people up to let me down so I can reinforce my feelings of shame and guilt if they don't.

Quote from: Asche on August 28, 2018, 06:59:03 AM
I've also been having episodes where my body reacts as if I were in severe pain
This sounds similar to the Body Memories I experience  in connection with flashbacks. In my case it is an overpowering sense of fear that runs along the left side of my head/neck and down my spine to my anus.

MyPTSD.com is an excellent support forum for people with PTSD and other disocciative disorders. Several people have told me Bessel van der Kolk's book, "The Body Keeps the Score." "Soul Murder: The Effects of Childhood Abuse and Deprivation" by Leonard Shengold is a good one. I have read quite a bit on trauma/DID but do not do any self help work outside of therapy. I have had a daily yoga daily practice for about 8 years now. I'm not sure I would be able to keep my mind glued together without it...



~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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Sno

Asche,

A few additions to your lists -

Pete Walkers book from Surviving to Thriving is specifically about cPTSD, and is considered a "manual" to help and support therapy.

The following sites/forums.

Www.HAVOCA.org - help for Adult Victims of Child abuse

Www.outofthestorm.website - a 'daughter' site of Out of the FOG - a group supporting those who have been victims of narcissistic abuse (from the abuse mechanisms of Fear, Obligation and Guilt)...

We are here with you on your journey.

(Hugs)

Rowan

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Satinjoy

Looks like the "A" team is on this thread.

Haven't got anything to offer, except that I'm listening and sorry to hear of the challenges.  But I guess we all have them.

Hugs.
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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Amanda500

Asche,

I-We are a few years behind you in both age and length of time dealing with this stuff. We seem to have ended up more on the DID side, but know the fragments all too well. We have not been posting here while we have been more in survival mode and not feeling able to provide helpful comments. Lately, we have been struggling with waking up with nightmares associated with the emotions from our early teens when it felt like my father would be on the verge of physically attacking our mother or one of us kids. But, none of us has a clear memory of any of those incidents, just fragments and a rough sense of them fighting over me-us as being something wrong and them wanting to destroy the inner me and leave the outer me they thought I was something like a zombie or pod person.

We know the fear or trusting people and not feeling safe so well too. I have no idea how our wife put up with us when we first met. It took over 25 years to be able to trust her with a lot of these things. I experienced this as a miracle from some outside source. Even though our mother was able to be comforting somewhat, the amount I needed was beyond her capability. Looking back, we can see how she was so frightened by how we were being and possibly having here experience of abuse as a child triggered that she could not fully be present for us. 

Sorry for the pronoun shifts. This is kind of a joint effort with Maleme and the view is shifting back and forth.

Amanda
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Sno

Amanda and Maleme, you do not have to make apologies for shifting pronouns, your system works and responds enough to communicate - that is a real achievement.

We at present have no dialogue, a few parts smash through at inopportune moments, and the littles enjoy a little havoc, however inappropriate - our system (if we can call it that), is reactive, although the primary doesn't relinquish the reins for long. It's a mess - we managed to start (!?!) a list of parts - it's long, although none have names that we know.

(Hugs)

Rowan 
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Quote from: Sno on August 29, 2018, 05:59:01 AM
Amanda and Maleme, you do not have to make apologies for shifting pronouns, your system works and responds enough to communicate - that is a real achievement.

We at present have no dialogue, a few parts smash through at inopportune moments, and the littles enjoy a little havoc, however inappropriate - our system (if we can call it that), is reactive, although the primary doesn't relinquish the reins for long. It's a mess - we managed to start (!?!) a list of parts - it's long, although none have names that we know.

(Hugs)

Rowan


I, too, am in a similar boat.  The inner me does work as a multiplicity of parts.  Internal Family Systems therapy has been helping me, but there is still a long road ahead.  There does not seem to be a primary; what I find are the Big Three with four high level supporting parts, six lower level supporting parts and a host of smaller ones.  The me that presents to the world is a tag team effort between several of the parts.  That team shifts from time to time in an effort to come to grips with my reality.  The main female part is sort of in the driver's seat at the moment -- by default as none of the others want the job.  She asks for a lot of help, and gets some of it.  I have not come to the point of being able to discern an active dialog between the parts; but that may come.

All of those parts comprise the "A Team" and they are striving to work together.  The problem is that "F Troop" is hiding in the wings -- with all the suppressed memories and emotions from my childhood.  I am sure that I am not ready to deal with that haunted house yet.  One of the little child parts that has been out and about all along is a pre-verbal one that fears rejection and abandonment -- I am sure they have more than ample reason to feel that way.  The other "A Team" parts do all they can to make this broken little part feel welcome and a valued part of the family.

Asche, I am sorry to not have any useful answers.  It would seem that we are walking similar paths -- so all I can say here is you are not alone.

<<Hugs>>


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Virginia

@RandyL
Have you been/are you in therapy for PTSD here, near your Army base?


@ErinWDK and Asche:
Sno and Amanda500 have already posted there, but I wanted you to know my female alter, Flytrap, started a thread awhile back that, with Dena's blessing and help. has become the meeting place for members with dissociative disorders until Susan warrants there being enough interest to start a subforum.

Multiple personality alter waving "hi" at: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,218553.msg1934547.html#msg1934547
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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