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Quitting smoking for HRT, is it worth it and how.

Started by Tatiana 79, August 31, 2018, 02:24:26 PM

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Tatiana 79

Thank you StacyRenee
For telling me both of these could be done at the same time even though I know it's not the consensus of most doctors but I suppose it comes down to the individuals doctor preference.
I just assumed it was totally incompatible because I know with my doctor it's one or the other.
Thank you for sharing this information that I was unaware of.
Everything we do in life can be balanced by the risk reward ratio,
There are definitely many things in life that we have no choice with but with this we do have a choice.
I'm not implying this is you dear,
But if someone has reached the total end of their line and this is the only alternative well I think it's worth the risk.
  I was just wondering if you quit for the required 30 days would you let it go forever?  But whatever way you choose is your decision and no one has a right to tell you how to live your own life.

  I think that Cindy made a very powerful statement with her undeniable reality, and very caring nature to try to prevent others from all the risks that can happen. This actually scares me even though I don't smoke but my wife smokes like a chimney and I know it's almost impossible to get her to stop. And I have stopped trying because it's ultimately her choice and not mine to make.
   
  All the very best to both of you with your very informative replies, love Tatiana
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Dena

I think even without HRT, quitting smoking is worth it. My father started smoking about age 13 and continued at a rate of between 1 and 2 packs a day. As Mark Twain said, quitting smoking is easy, I've done it hundreds of times and that was my father's story. As he approached 80, he was in good health however the doctor found he had cancer that had pretty well invaded his entire body. Then he was able to quit smoking however he passed away about 4 months latter. One of the things he said was had he realized that smoking was so dangerous, he would have quit a long time ago. I take that with a grain of salt because they have been printing the smoking warning on the side of cigarets starting sometime around 1965. I am sure that in the following 28 years my father must have seen it at least one time.

Other people get cancer all the time but it's really only important when it happens to you. It's best to quit now and make sure it doesn't happen to you.
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Tatiana 79

Thank you Dena
For your wise words and sharing your father's story. I'm glad that your father at least lived to an average age even though I'm sure he would have more years to give if he did not engage in this Insidious habit.
I fully agree with you on your position.
The one thing I don't understand is why this country squabbles over gun control, traffic safety issues that are insignificant in the numbers that meet their demise compared to smoking.
A quarter million Americans meet their end every year due to tobacco-related illnesses, how is this even tolerated.
It's unfortunate that our capitalistic Society targets on short-term gains irrelevant of the overall health of its own citizens.
The tobacco industry has so much money they merely Lobby their will into law despite the extremely significant cost to our Healthcare System and of course losing a quarter million Americans a year seems unconscionable.
  This country Mourns its war heroes in WW2 and Vietnam  and there was much media coverage about these losses. But these losses pale in comparison to our reality now, which now is a half a million in 2 years, that equals the total of all that were lost during these two Wars
  These veterans that gave their life for their countries were drafted and had no choice, but smoking cigarettes is a choice that can be avoided. Please realize you are just being used as a pawn by big tobacco and they only want you there long enough to be a repeat customer and could care less about the quality and length of your life as long as you stay hooked and keep buying their product.
It's no wonder that the media never talks about this because they too are under the control of big tobacco money.
  Doesn't everyone realize they've been brainwashed through Decades of strategically engineered advertising that true, it's no longer out there as much but it affects Linger on from parent to sibling and so forth.
  I do admit I tried cigarettes when I was younger but found I just got nauseated and sick and it tasted bad and it made you smell bad, let alone all the fires that were started particularly decades ago. But this is never mentioned in the media could this be because they are clearly under the big tobacco's lobbying power.

Sorry for the outpouring of passion but it almost makes me feel a little embarrassed that this nation squabbles over a few deaths but allows a quarter million deaths to occur every year.
This really makes me wonder if our country cares more about us or how we spend our money.
The answer's obvious and I rest my case
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Dena

Smoking is highly addictive. Some say it's more difficult to quit smoking than it is to quit heroin. Combine that with young people think they will live forever and bad things only happen to other but not them. This allows them to take the first puff and feel the rush that tobacco gives you. Within a week or two, your hooked and quitting is going to put you through withdrawal. Naturally there is an easy fix and that's another hit off a cigarette.

The only way to be truly free of tobacco is not to take the first puff. If you already have, quit now because the longer you smoke the more difficult it will be to quit.

We have tried to stop younger people from smoking by placing a minimal age on buying tobacco but they always seem to find a source somewhere. It might be their parents stock or a older friend makes the purchase. I am not sure we can stop everybody however over the years education has reduce the number of smokers. When I was young, it was about half the adult population. Now I believe it's less that a quarter and with no smoking locations, sometimes it easer to not smoke than find a place to smoke.
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Tatiana 79

Thank you Dina for your similar sentiment. I also have heard this is the hardest drug to quit and I would rank anyone that beat it as one of their greatest accomplishments they could ever achieve in life, I think this is more important than your job or career because without health nothing else matters.

But is there not a time that Society can truly acknowledge the deadlyness in this.
   I do believe our society can act eventually, remember when we were all burning leaded gasoline in our vehicles. But then due to conclusive scientific proof that determined we were all being poisoned by breathing the Lead emissions out of the gasoline.
  Our government reacted over this and eliminated it to unleaded gas only.
  Thank you for mentioning that there are less smokers than there were, perhaps this mentality is sinking in that were basically poisoning ourselves.
Perhaps I've been a little too hard on our government because as you said smoking is reduced and there's no more advertisements or cigarette machines everywhere like there was when I grew up.
  I do hope this trend continues and hope someday smoking cigarettes will go the Wayside like Leaded gasoline.


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Dena

While I would never recommend consuming lead, it's no where near as dangerous as some of the other metals. The compound they put in gasoline was dangerous however after it was burned it was relatively safe. Much of the lead exposure of the time was due to the lead solder used to seal food cans. They would coat the inside of the can to prevent the lead from mixing with the food but it didn't always work. Another danger was Mexican pottery. They didn't fire it at a high enough temperature to seal the cay and acid in the food would dissolve it out of the pottery. Probably the biggest problem with lead was house paint. It was fine as long as it didn't flake off the surface but when it did, young children would often eat it.

While the amount of leaded gas has been greatly reduced, it can still be found. It's used for racing fuels where the octane need to be far higher than anything currently produced. You can also buy the lead additive and mix it yourself to produce higher octane fuel. I don't know for sure but it may also be available as aviation fuel for engines that need it.

I have handled a good deal of it for shell reloading however I am very careful to clean my hands after I am done. Also no drinking or eating while I am reloading. If anybody has ever had an issue with lead in the shooting sports with the proper handing of lead, I am not aware if it.
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Tatiana 79

Very true Dena late model leaded gas
Was far less prevalent in the atmosphere then in the early days.
It's unfortunate I can't remember the man that first uncovered this quite a while ago as I seen on a Cosmos series on it. He is attributed to probably saving more human lives than any other individual that lived because he's the first that correlated the deadliness that occurred in the first leaded fuels.
And yes I agree with you absolutely there are many far more dangerous metals but lead is cumulative and will cause problems when it reaches its toxic limits.
And I also know what you mean about how to carefully handle lead when reloading
I do a lot of reloading and stop casting my own bullets and just buy the jacketed stuff because I was getting a little tired of the lead fouling especially in my rifle calibers
It wasn't so much a problem in my pistols because they shoot a much slower velocity but it's still a dirty business cleaning them and I completely got away from exposed lead. The cheaper jacketed stuffs competitively-priced enough for me.

But anyways I think I'm getting off track here a little bit.
But the bottom line Remains the Same we're all exposed to different things that could be dangerous to us and it's our choice on how to handle it.
An ounce of prevention does seem like it's worth more than a pound of cure.
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noleen111

coming from a regular smoker, I would say it always worth quitting smoking. Personally I have never seriously tried to quit.

Smoking has not really affected my hrt. My body developed well and I got bottom surgery and healed well. I am light smoker, I smoke a ultra-mild cigarette and I only smoke around 3 a day.

But my story is different, I only become a regular smoker after I started HRT. I was a social smoker before.. I only smoked when I dressed up. When I went full time, the smoking became a daily thing and I got hooked. I know I dont want to be a life time smoker, but I don't have the will to quit now. I have gone days with a smoke and I think maybe its time to quit, then I get a craving later than day and then I cave and light up.
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StacyRenee

Honestly, the smoking came about from low self esteem. I couldn't be the woman I always knew I should have been. I didn't care of I got cancer and died. I was ugly, hideous, and grotesque. Yes, it's the slowest form of suicide, but I've always been too chicken-sh*t to do that. Same goes for taking care of my teeth. I'll probably be getting dentures before too long. All from low self esteem.

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Arianna Valentine

Quote from: Tatiana 79 on August 31, 2018, 02:24:26 PM
  We all know that HRT and smoking are not compatible it has to be one or the other. My doctor told me that half of her MTF patient's that were smokers could not quit and chose to remain in their previous lives. Instead of a possible new life that offers hope and unleashing your inner identity to be set free and achieve things that were once thought unachievable without any dysphoria.
I'm mainly writing this for friend of mine who is wrestling with this concept but I'm sure there are many others that are in the same boat, that could benefit from anyone's experience.

Could anyone offer advice, if this is worthwhile to do and how they did it would be most appreciated by many.
I personally have never smoked so must rely on all of you that have.
  love Tatiana
Well before starting HRT I smoked for 16 or 17 years and honestly I was told if your on estrogen and you smoke and increases the chance of blood clots which means it could of course lead to death so I made sure that the last pack of cigarettes I had was my last cigarette waste-not-want-not in that case but in order to quit smoking I talk to my doctor and started Chantix now I never had any problem with no bad dreams or anything but I don't usually dream so I look at any dream is a good one even if it's a nightmare if you don't wish to go to medication route Altoids Mints they are so strong they make you forget that you want a cigarette I would have went to patch method but they make me really dizzy and lightheaded and so I try to avoid that but needless to say I haven't had a cigarette since I quit I am very proud and I've been around smokers and I'm just like pop a mint I'm good

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Alice V

First, I wanna thank Tanya for starting this topic. Yeah, she talking about little me :D I was shocked by such supportive approach and it touch me right to the soul. Tanya I love you :)
Second, I wanna thank all of you for sharing your experience. It means a lot to me.
Third, just informing I'm not smoking for 5 days. Hopefully everything continue going that way :)
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Arianna Valentine

Quote from: Alice V on September 06, 2018, 12:23:47 PM
First, I wanna thank Tanya for starting this topic. Yeah, she talking about little me :D I was shocked by such supportive approach and it touch me right to the soul. Tanya I love you :)
Second, I wanna thank all of you for sharing your experience. It means a lot to me.
Third, just informing I'm not smoking for 5 days. Hopefully everything continue going that way :)
Congratulations Alice I will warn you it doesn't start to get easy or at least for me it didn't until about 2 or 3 months after I quit but the first two months are the hardest!!! I believe in you you can do this girl

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Alice V

QuoteI believe in you you can do this girl
Hey, I know I can :D Especially now when all of you support me I just can't fail, it's impossible.
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Tatiana 79

Hey Arianna
I really want to thank you for your personal touch helping Alice but mainly I want to congratulate you on your success story quitting smoking.
I never knew you smoked that long and successfully quit forever but it really shouldn't surprise me because nothing you do does. lol
If ever there was a fierce,  indomitable spirit that moves at light speed it's you my dear.
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Arianna Valentine

Quote from: Tatiana 79 on September 06, 2018, 01:08:12 PM
Hey Arianna
I really want to thank you for your personal touch helping Alice but mainly I want to congratulate you on your success story quitting smoking.
I never knew you smoked that long and successfully quit forever but it really shouldn't surprise me because nothing you do does. lol
If ever there was a fierce,  indomitable spirit that moves at light speed it's you my dear.
I thank you very much for your wonderful words but even I have like my issues which right now is in controlling my emotions I called my boyfriend the other night and cried for like an hour for no reason well I had a reason but it was just something small and stupid that I normally wouldn't cry over

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Danni98

I started at about 14, I tried most the methods Wellbutrin, Chantix , patches, lozenges, gum. None of those ever came close to giving me even a hint that I might want to quit, in fact you could usually find me sucking on a lozenge and puffing on a Camel at the same time. I knew what vaping was but Had never tried it before, then the day when I had three Dr's yelling at me was the day I decided to try it. I started with those little mark 10 ones from the gas station, they kinda sucked and I still wanted a cigarette. Tried a Vuse vibe and that was a little better, urge to smoke was fading. But the pods were so expensive. Then I bought a real mod and haven't had a cigarette since January 19th after about 20 years of smoking. My Dr's have said it's ok and encouraged it, one while enthusiastic, warned me that estrogen and nicotine still are not good together, but it was a lot better then smoking 2 packs a day. If it were not for vaping I would definitely still be smoking. And I feel so much better, no more shortness of breath, hacking up mucus, more energy, it's great. And after stepping down the nicotene levels, I'm using it less and less. If you don't understand it, it can be intimidating getting into mods and e-juice but feel free to pm me, I'd be happy to help anyone quit smoking.
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VeronicaLynn

I tried everything cold turkey, switching to cigars, Nicorette gum, eventually made it through the first 48 hours by just drinking a beer every time I wanted a smoke. Developed a new issue with drinking too much...

After that long weekend though, I went on a real fitness kick, which for awhile got me in pretty good shape, but eventually the extra calories caught up with me. Just throwing it out there, substituting one addiction for another can work if nothing else will.

Still haven't smoked in over 15 years...
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MissyMay2.0

It's worth quitting smoking whether someone chooses HRT or not; cigarettes suck!...Life out of people!
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Rutka71

Ouch... Yes I quit smoking. I've been on HRT for over two years now and didn't stop smoking, until I was diagnosed with stage two lung cancer in March of this year. I had a lobectomy of my top right lung, had five lymphoids removed, it was awful. Because I used to be a heavy smoker, I had every complication in the book and had to spend a long time in the hospital, with a drain in my body: I had a pneumothorax, subcutaneous emphysema, my lung had a leakage and I had too many pleural fluids. I never had so much pain before.

Good thing was though, that I was on so many pain killers (oxycodon, ketamine) that I didn't even notice that had stopped smoking. When I got out of the hospital, I was already past the withdrawal symptoms and just continued to not smoke.

the doctors even tried to pin the lung cancer on my hormones. It seems that estrogen causes a higher probability for lung cancer https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5578103/ so they wanted to discontinue HRT. I only got a new recipe for estrogen, when I indicated I did not want to be treated for cancer anymore if they'd take my hormones away.

Anyway, if you're still smoking: quit TODAY. It really isn't worth it.
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