Gender change without SRS.

[Berliegh]

Re: Gender change without SRS?

Is SRS the protocol to being or being percieved as female? I have seen ->-bleeped-<-s (and some girls who don't want SRS) that look absolutely stunning and very female in every way physically. I've also seen quite a few male to female transsexuals who have had SRS who look positively male.......so gender change is far more complexed that a genital operation would imply..

I personally want SRS but is there something else going on here?

So I would have to say yes.....Gender change without SRS is possible for some people..

[Wing Walker]

Personally, I don't care what label you wear. Me, I want surgery. The next gal down the line doesn't, for whatever reason. If she says she identifies as female though and feels she is a transsexual, who am I to deny her expression of self, and for that matter, who is the government? If you wish to be identified by a gender other than that of your birth, nobody has the right to deny you that. Official records should reflect that, and when it comes to bathrooms, screw it: Build single loo, unisex bathrooms. Relieves both physical and social pressure that way.

Hello, Lady Amarant,

Wonderful to live in an ideal world, isn't it?

Wing Walker

[Jordan]

Berliegh,

You can change you Driver License no problem almost any state pre op or non op.

But to get your passport or birth certificate done up right, you have to have SRS, or some get away with just a orchieo.

But basically it states that the court will not grant it without SRS, WHICH I think is BULL, All I think should have to happen is for the individual to reach a point where they have changed thier body beyond reversal.

Sounds good to me, I dont know the laws for the UK though.. or canada, or anywhere but here.

[Berliegh]

Berliegh,

You can change you Driver License no problem almost any state pre op or non op.

But to get your passport or birth certificate done up right, you have to have SRS, or some get away with just a orchieo.

But basically it states that the court will not grant it without SRS, WHICH I think is BULL, All I think should have to happen is for the individual to reach a point where they have changed thier body beyond reversal.

Sounds good to me, I dont know the laws for the UK though.. or canada, or anywhere but here.

In the U.K you have to change your passport and drivers licence before SRS. Only then will the NHS shrinks (Psychiatrists) will allow a referral for SRS. I changed all my ID in 2003 but I still haven't been granted an NHS referral for SRS. I have now had to re-locate in order to try and access a referral from another part of the country.

There are a lot of people from the U.K going overseas to access SRS as it's very hard to get referrals here. The flip side is that a transsexual friend of mine changed all her ID in 1994 but didn't ever want SRS....the NHS (Charing Cross GIC) continue to pester her for SRS even though she has told them time and time again she doesn't want it........so basically they (Charing Cross GIC) will do the opposite of the individuals needs....

[samanthawhalen]

Re: Gender change without SRS.

....and I'm stuck with it....unless I can move to America?

COme on over 

We have a wonderful president, and another one about to fill his big shoes.  Sorry, couldn't  help myself.     Hope I didn't ruin the thread.  Samantha

[cindybc]

And pop goes the Wiesel.

Cindy

[Berliegh]

Re: Gender change without SRS.

....and I'm stuck with it....unless I can move to America?

COme on over 

We have a wonderful president, and another one about to fill his big shoes.  Sorry, couldn't  help myself.     Hope I didn't ruin the thread.  Samantha

If course you are absolutely right but the U.K politicians are just as bad....

[lady amarant]

Hello, Lady Amarant,

Wonderful to live in an ideal world, isn't it?

Wing Walker

I am an idealist. I believe we can change society for the better. Women fought for and gained equal (okay, on paper anyway) rights. Coloured people fought for and gained equal (again, on paper) rights. Society has no right to offer us any less.

[tekla]

To the degree that good people are willing to honestly look at problems and work toward solutions, change is possible.

[Shana A]

If course you are absolutely right but the U.K politicians are just as bad....

I don't know that anyone is as bad as what we've had for the last 8 years.... but come on over anyway! We'd love to have you.

Z

[tekla]

Hard to imagine anything worse than the last 7 years.

[cindybc]

The past 100 years.

Cindy

[Hypatia]

The problem here is over the last decade people are trying to change the meaning of the word "transsexual".  Why can't they just accept that they're transgendered?

I see something different from this happening: The word transsexual is becoming ignored altogether in public discourse and replaced with "transgender(ed)." My theory as to why this is: Transgender has only 3 syllables while transsexual has 4, and people are basically lazy. But I agree with you that the distinction shouldn't be lost.

Actually, I practically never use the word "transgender" at all any more, because to me it's such a vague catchall umbrella term, it has no useful meaning. It obscures important differences and makes us transsexuals disappear. I say I'm transsexual because it gives a precise meaning, and I wish the word were not dying out. If I have to call myself "transgender" it doesn't really convey who I am.

One thing I find particularly gauling is the origin of the word "transgendered".  The term was coined by someone who was a full-time crossdresser.  They didn't even claim to have ANY feelings of dysphoria, it was about the clothes.  Further this person claimed transsexuals didn't exist!  That person, who went by a female name, obviously doesn't speak for me.

True-- the word has a vile anti-transsexual history-- but the way it's used has evolved, and in the present day it's used to include transsexuals, so that our particular transsexual identities and needs are subsumed in the larger category and obscured.

[cindybc]

Hi Hypatia, I agree absolutely that transsexuals are unique and what sets them apart is there wanting, or having an irresistible desire that will not be squelched until we become as female as they can be. Anything else under what ever umbrella have no desire to go all the way. But I guess I'm a wanderer, I go and I talk to cross dressers, ->-bleeped-<-s, or any other variety of trans what ever and of course my friends the androgen's, I really do love those guys, and I am also here especially for the young-uns, I love the young folks. My main purpose is to help or support anyone who is in need. So yes we want to have our own unique classification, apart from any other, we are a unique minority who have unique problems, nothing wrong with that, for us that's our normal needs, but let us not get to full of ourselves is all. We can work together and still keep our identity. At least I believe that is the way this board was set up to operate. Way different then I remember 8 years ago.

Cindy   

[Jordan]

despite who created the word Transgender, all the different niches that one can fit into in the transgender category are really just different levels of expression of the essentially same thing.

[joannatsf]

The past 100 years.

Cindy

Really!  The Bush years have been a cake walk compared to the 20th century.  Two world wars, millions dead (20 million for Russia alone).  We're upset about 4000 killed in Iraq over 5 years.  Both the French and the Brits lost 25,000 soldiers in a single day during WW I.  And let's not forget the Great Depression and the Cold War along with countless regional conflicts.

Ladies, we have not begun to suffer in the New Millenia!   

[lady amarant]

Ladies, we have not begun to suffer in the New Millenia!   

Oh give it time. We will. If nothing else, trust us to keep cutting our collective nose off to spite our collective face.

[Beyond]

despite who created the word Transgender, all the different niches that one can fit into in the transgender category are really just different levels of expression of the essentially same thing.

I don't agree.  I don't think I have anything in common with a drag king/queen or a crossdresser.  They don't have a problem with gender identity, they're happy being who they are.  And besides that those are part-time pursuits.  I was born with a brain-body mismatch, a birth condition.  I have always been female and to lead a happy and fulfilling life I had to change my body and social role.  Now achieved I blend back into society as just another women.  Those others don't.  Those others don't fit into the gender dichotomy (lets not debate the dichotomy); now that my transition is done I fit neatly into the female side of things.  I blend.  And when I say that it's not through conscious effort, it's because being female is who I always was and now the whole world can see that.  Life is good.

[Annwyn]

Apologies.  I am seriously edited this post to make it less inflammatory.]/i]

I'm getting pretty tired of this purist attitude, a transsexual elitist that doesn't have much of anything to do with reality, just bigotry and a bunch of mental disorders packaged along with GID.

They don't have a problem with gender identity

So people who present themselves as the opposite gender don't have issues with gender identity.  Riiiiight.

I was born with a brain-body mismatch

Wow, sounds like some stuff that would go into medical history!  Oh wait... I forgot.  You were a female born with a male's body... I wonder how those XY/YY genes interact...

a birth condition.

Really?  I didn't know that the medical field had finally funded and researched exlusively what the cause of GID was.  Talk about some ground breaking news.

]I have always been female and to lead a happy and fulfilling life I had to change my body and social role.

Let me translate this for the general public.

"Oh hi, I'm better than all those crossdressers and stuff cuz I paid a surgeon.  The end."

Now achieved I blend back into society as just another women.  Those others don't.  Those others don't fit into the gender dichotomy (lets not debate the dichotomy); now that my transition is done I fit neatly into the female side of things.

By that definition then you were never female.  You're simply a genitally altered male prancing around in female clothes, no better than a glorified crossdresser in the eyes of many who hold the same kind of bigotry you do.

it's because being female is who I always was and now the whole world can see that.  Life is good.

Uck.  I'm glad you've found your path and that you're satisfied.  However, quit holding others to one standard and yourself to another.  If you're going to hold crossdressers and TG's, many of which are full time, accountable for being male, then you are too.  YOu've still got XY.  See what I'm saying?  How shallowly are you willing to define gender?

[lisagurl]

How shallowly are you willing to define gender?

As shallow as tradition and dogma fail to keep up with the physical realities of 21 century living.