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Jennifer's Journey

Started by Jennifer M, November 15, 2018, 11:30:05 AM

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Jennifer M

It's either the most important development in my life or my biggest mistake. It is, if you will, AN EPIC IN THE MAYBE.

I've already mentioned coming out at band practice (concert band BTW), and that's been mostly positive. Some of the other people I have shared Jennifer with so far:

  • My hometown pastor, who has been accepting. But I only go to church when I'm back home, and that's with my parents. I have dressed up in her presence as we discussed the spiritual issues.
  • My boss's boss, who was understanding. It was precipitated by an issue that I won't disclose here because it would be easy to find out where I work.
  • One co-worker, who had made comments earlier that made me feel she would be a good person to tell, and it turns out she has an FTM grandchild.

In five days I go to an LGBT clinic for my first appointment. This will be a preliminary appointment, with a blood test, but hormones could be prescribed next time. But I've already checked the box on one crucial component - a letter from my therapist.

QuoteI view her request to be considered for hormone therapy to transition to her affirmed gender to be completely consistent with my psychotherapeutic history and medically necessary.

...her request...her affirmed gender...

I thought I would cry as I read that. I didn't, even though I tried to, but perhaps the sense of relief clashed with decades of fear of moving forward and my emotions were tied up in knots.

But I have not come out to my sister or my parents...and I have every reason to know it will not go well. I told my brother, and he says - with good reason - Mom and Dad especially won't take it well. If I do not have them on my side I will be devastated.

I've started this thread here because it won't just be about HRT, it will be about many other things related to my transition, done in a way I hope conceals identity giveaways.

Here goes everything.


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Sabrina Rei

Congrats on kicking off your journey! You really never know how a parent, friend or loved one will respond to the news. Sometimes the people you thought would be your quickest staunchest allies end up being the least understanding and the person everyone told you would abandon you, turns out to be your biggest supporter. It's impossible to know for certain so try not to let what others (in this case your brother) think influence you too much. Ultimately if you're going to be a woman, you're going to need to invite the people closest to you into her life.

I say this with confidence but I am also struggling with one parent (my mother) who I am afraid to bring into the loop. Her religious views will be challenged by my status and I don't know if I will win in a throw down with god, lol. I look forward to sharing in your adventures here.


Sarah77

Go Jennifer! Ita amazing that some things you dont expect to make you emotional catch yo out, then a big think like that statement leaves you numb!
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Jennifer M

I went entirely en femme. If the link works, this is the top I wore. This clinic, which is LGBT-specific, asked for my preferred name and pronouns.

Today's meeting started about 5:35. (Five months...what's another 30 minutes?) She had me do more or less a tell-all, with my longtime desires and issues with parents. I told her who I was out to, and how they responded.

(Paraphrased) "What are you hoping to get out of the hormones?" "I want boobs." Crude, perhaps, but the truth. And, of course, to be rid of the fur on my body.

"If cost weren't an object, how far would you want to go?" "All the way."

She asked about fertility, and I said, "No one wants my DNA, not even me." I told her how I would have loved to have children but I know it's not going to happen.

She asked about my sexual orientation. I said I am both attracted to and jealous of women, and viewed myself as a lesbian trapped in a man's body... for the most part.

The only thing I might not have been as clear about as I should was that I do not appear en femme on a regular basis, though I mentioned I would want to be on hormones for some time before a social transition.

She is ready to prescribe small doses of estradiol and spironolactone to start - but the letter from my therapist needs to be received first. I thought that was taken care of but it must have gotten lost in the mail.

Then I had to watch what I'm pretty sure is the same video online about feminizing hormones. No matter how many times I read/watch, it still doesn't change facts on hair growth/loss where I want it. Then I went downstairs to have blood drawn to get baselines.

When I got back I checked the online portal, where my three-month appointment is already scheduled, and...OMG. My name is changed there.

Here we go.


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Anita43

that is so exciting! I'm glad to hear that the first appointment went well :) I've got my first appointment coming up in 2 weeks so, perhaps I'm being selfish, but it was great to hear the details on what happened in your scenario. Thank you so much for sharing :)

That must have been super exciting to see your chosen name on a medical record !

Please keep us all updated

Best,
Anita
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Sabrina Rei

First off, congrats! Second, what is this video you assume everyone is shown?? I didn't get a video! I barely got a xerox'd pamphlet. XD

ChrissyRyan

Quote from: Jennifer M on November 20, 2018, 08:58:50 PM
I went entirely en femme. If the link works, this is the top I wore. This clinic, which is LGBT-specific, asked for my preferred name and pronouns.

Today's meeting started about 5:35. (Five months...what's another 30 minutes?) She had me do more or less a tell-all, with my longtime desires and issues with parents. I told her who I was out to, and how they responded.

(Paraphrased) "What are you hoping to get out of the hormones?" "I want boobs." Crude, perhaps, but the truth. And, of course, to be rid of the fur on my body.

"If cost weren't an object, how far would you want to go?" "All the way."

She asked about fertility, and I said, "No one wants my DNA, not even me." I told her how I would have loved to have children but I know it's not going to happen.

She asked about my sexual orientation. I said I am both attracted to and jealous of women, and viewed myself as a lesbian trapped in a man's body... for the most part.

The only thing I might not have been as clear about as I should was that I do not appear en femme on a regular basis, though I mentioned I would want to be on hormones for some time before a social transition.

She is ready to prescribe small doses of estradiol and spironolactone to start - but the letter from my therapist needs to be received first. I thought that was taken care of but it must have gotten lost in the mail.

Then I had to watch what I'm pretty sure is the same video online about feminizing hormones. No matter how many times I read/watch, it still doesn't change facts on hair growth/loss where I want it. Then I went downstairs to have blood drawn to get baselines.

When I got back I checked the online portal, where my three-month appointment is already scheduled, and...OMG. My name is changed there.

Here we go.


Jennifer, you are on your way!  Waiting three months for the next appointment may seem like a long time, be patient.  I hope your therapist letter arrives soon.  Perhaps they will send you prescriptions after your baseline blood tests are reviewed and receiving that therapist letter, so maybe you will not need to wait three months to start.

I do like the top your wore, as shown in your link.  Plus I do like that they used your name on the portal.  How affirming that is!   Jennifer is a very nice woman's name.

Chrissy
Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Help connect a person to someone that may be able to help that person.  Be brave, be strong.  A TRUE friend is a treasure.  Relationships are very important, people are important, and the sooner we all realize that the better off the world will be.  Try a little kindness.  Be generous with your time, energy, wisdom, and resources.   Inconvenience yourself to help someone.   I am a brown eyed, brown haired woman. 
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Kendra

Quote from: Jennifer M on November 20, 2018, 08:58:50 PM
Jennifer, awesome! 

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She is ready to prescribe small doses of estradiol and spironolactone to start - but the letter from my therapist needs to be received first. I thought that was taken care of but it must have gotten lost in the mail.

I recommend contacting your therapist asap, let them know their letter was not received.  Or pick up the letter from your therapist and get it to the clinic.  I've found things like this are almost never lost in the mail... either it was misplaced at the clinic, or more likely your therapist did not send it.
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RoryL

Congratulations, Jennifer! That is wonderful - the correct HRT has been life changing for me. Best wishes as you take this next step.  :-)
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Jennifer M

Test results are in - and my T levels are abnormally low! So glad to fail that test!

But Thanksgiving has reminded me of the steep, vertical mountain I must climb. Because it won't be just about coming out to my parents. It will be about presenting myself to thousands of people in my community and surrounding areas who have known me since birth. It's going to be horrible.


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KathyLauren

Jennifer, I am so glad to hear that you rappointment went well.  And that you presented as your true self.  Well done!

Quote from: Kendra on November 21, 2018, 10:56:23 AM
I recommend contacting your therapist asap, let them know their letter was not received.  Or pick up the letter from your therapist and get it to the clinic.  I've found things like this are almost never lost in the mail... either it was misplaced at the clinic, or more likely your therapist did not send it.

I second this!  You need to stay on top of your letters: this one, and the two that you will eventually need for surgery, plus any that you might need for bureaucratic paperwork.  I have an issue with this right now: I am calling every two weeks to remind them to get it done.  Be the squeaky wheel.
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Jennifer M

Therapist said he was faxing letter today (Fri). Doing this Thanksgiving week has messed up the timing on things. I am kicking myself for not bringing a copy of the letter with me to the appointment.

This brings me to my next issue. I want to tell Dad before Mom, alone, and I want to do it before changes begin. If I stick to my original timetable, and do it after the new year and a family event, I could be nearly two months into HRT. But unless I do it next week, I will not know when I can get time to talk to him alone - or even make the phone call to set up something - without Mom knowing.

Will I start showing two months after low doses of HRT? Would I be wrong in putting a burden on Dad to keep a secret from his wife for two months?


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pamelatransuk

Hello Jennifer

First of all congratulations as I assume you will be starting HRT later in November. After you take the first tablets and/or apply the first patch, you'll remember that event forever! Welcome to the wonderful rollercoaster ride.

It is of course up to you whether you tell your Dad end of November or end of January but it is safe to assume that on low dose HRT, you will probably not show (to others) physical changes. The main early results are emotional with a minor physical changes including softer skin and the beginning of breast buds.

On the HRT Board you may read many threads of members' HRT journeys including mine and also many HRT questions and responses.

I wish you every happiness on your journey.

Hugs

Pamela


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Jennifer M

My parents know. Told Dad in person. Left letter for Mom to read.

Dad took it as well as could be expected, maybe even better.

Mom did not. Mom extremely, EXTREMELY did not. She said "it's the Asperger's" and blames my therapist for pushing me into it. Things are going to be very, very bad for an indefinite amount of time.


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Northern Star Girl

Quote from: Jennifer M on November 29, 2018, 09:19:21 AM
My parents know. Told Dad in person. Left letter for Mom to read.

Dad took it as well as could be expected, maybe even better.

Mom did not. Mom extremely, EXTREMELY did not. She said "it's the Asperger's" and blames my therapist for pushing me into it. Things are going to be very, very bad for an indefinite amount of time.

@Jennifer M
Dear Jennifer: 
That is very good news you reported about your Dad... and obviously not-so-good news regarding your non-accepting Mom, the thing to remember is that no matter what, she will always be your Mom.

As we all know, transition announcements can certainly be difficult for the transitioner but also it can be just as difficult or possibly even more difficult for their spouse, partner, and  parents.   This is a sometimes difficult gauntlet that is played out on many threads here on the Forums.  Some have great success in finding acceptance from loved ones, and others... not so much.
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If you will, please allow me tell you about my own circumstances which "may" apply to your situation and might possibly help you and perhaps others that are reading your thread:
   My own story is one of continuing non-acceptance from my parents back "home" after 4 years of my initial announcement of my transition plans to them and I have not seen them or been able to have a conversation with them on the phone very much at all since I came out Full-Time and relocated 2 years ago.
   I am committed to continue to love and respect my parents and I will continue to try to get through to them no matter what their response ... and I will not argue with them nor will I get visibly upset with them over their feelings about my transition, I owe them that... they are my parents after-all. 
   I feel that the best thing I can do is to demonstrate that the "new me" is a responsible and stable person that is living a very happy life.   
   When and if get the opening to visit them in another month or so, I will dress respectfully as the woman I am, nothing over the top or too flashy, but for sure presenting myself as a woman that they can hopefully and eventually be proud of.  Only time will tell what the future holds with them... but I will always keep rying... and will love them no matter what.

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Jennifer, I am hoping and rooting for you that you can get through to your mom soon.

Hugs and well wishes to you,
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Jennifer M

TODAY IS E DAY.

I had received the e-mail saying my hormones were ready shortly before Dad called to tell me about Mom.

I'm very excited, but also very scared.


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Kendra

Jennifer, congratulations!  Although the effects of HRT are not immediate you will certainly remember this day.  And don't be scared about all the changes - if this is right for you, you will settle in and find this is exactly what you needed. 

I am sorry to hear about your mom's reaction but you also have a lot of positive going, and some people do change their viewpoint over time. 
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Jennifer M

It's over. I can't do it. Becoming a woman has too high a cost.

I had an appointment Tuesday with my parents and therapist. Mom came loaded for bear, skinned me alive, burned the remains, and dropped every thermonuclear warhead in the arsenal.

It was everything I expected, and worse. I have damaged my relationships with everyone. I knew it would happen yet pressed on, and it was all a mistake. As far as I'm concerned, optimism is a mental illness.

Dad's initial openness was bluntly ignored, and he didn't try to stick up for me. My brother-in-law's wary acceptance was overruled by my sister, who now may not let me be alone with her children.

Mom wanted to confront my therapist head-on, without me, but he would not allow it. By the end, I'm pretty sure she thought he was a quack.

Mom, by way of talking to the therapist, attacked me from every angle, blaming Asperger's for everything, and saying that because I had shown no feminine tendencies through high school I couldn't have gender dysphoria. She pulled out everything I had done or said in school as proof that Asperger's was responsible. (It's a long story.)

After a half-hour, my therapist talked to me alone. He said Mom was the toughest/most opposed family member of a trans client he'd ever talked to. Then I had another hour in a private room with my parents.

She framed my face in her hands while she did the first half of this, until her knees gave out.

Some quotes from Mom, as best I can remember (despite hitting "record" on the brain, so to speak, it was overwhelmed):
"Tell me WHY this would make anything better." The answer "because it might make me not hate my body" was not acceptable. "Because I want to be happy" was not acceptable. Nor was being shy, or being comfortable in women's clothing, or hating being male in general.
"How am I supposed to be supportive of my son who wants to be a daughter? I already have a daughter."
"God made you male. I have a son. His name is [birth name]."
"You have male hands, male feet, and you're bald. No one would ever date you. You would make an ugly woman because you are a handsome man."
"Why the hell would you want to wear a skirt?"
If I had shown any outward signs when younger, "we would've taken you to a psychiatrist and gotten you straightened out."
If I transition, "I will never support you." She would not want me home ever again and would demand I stay out of my hometown.
When I tried to point out that I would still have my interests, "Then do that as a male." The few groups I do have "will never accept" me as a woman.
"You need to get a therapist who will help you accept being the man you are. ... Make the brain match the body."
"Did you think of what this would do to US?" She is supremely pissed off about being told this time of year. "We will not get used to having anything but a son."
"Think about your grandmothers. How would they react?"
She can accept having a socially inept boy who will die alone, but not a transgender girl who might find a way to be happy. It is clear she would prefer a dead son - metaphorically or literally - over a live daughter.

She had talked to my sister, who told her she would cut me off from the kids if I transitioned. The only statement in my favor was that Mom didn't think I was a pedophile - and yes, that was the word she said. "The kids can't be told about this. They won't understand."

The only hormone she'd be in favor of is testosterone - which, despite my protestations that it would do everything to my body and mind I didn't want, said would be better.

"Think of all you will lose. Will it be worth it?"

I spent time after that talking to my brother on the phone, then therapist again before he left, then relatives who were supportive of me but shocked at the depth of Mom's reaction.

I stupidly answered the phone when Mom called hours later to see if I had returned, but I hadn't. Mom said she loved me, but now I know that means "unless you do that thing. Then we'll disown you." She has complete power over me and knows it.

I have no choice. I would lose the only things that are right in my life. I must live decades more as I have lived the last 20 years of my adult life- as a genetically doomed pathetic freak and failure who doesn't deserve happiness.


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Dena

I am sorry this is so difficult for you but if it comes up again, I have a suggestion for you. When your mother asks you to explain why you feel this way and why you think treatment will help, pose this to her.

She probably doesn't understand how a car engine works or the electronics make the car run. She probably doesn't know how to repair it. That doesn't prevent her from using it to get from one place to another. We don't truly understand why we feel the way we do however we know what we need to fix it and we know how we will feel if we don't fix it. If we don't understand it, it's very likely she wouldn't understand any explanation we could give. The only reassurance you can offer is that you will proceed with caution and if something doesn't go right, you will take the time to understand it before proceeding.
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Sabrina Rei

Let's get one thing right. It's not all "you will lose." It's all this woman is "taking away." This is not on you. You're not even getting a chance to stumble, fall or lose. No, You are being bullied by the one person that should love you unconditionally in this world. And I am furious on your behalf. Your mother is vain. The biggest indication of this is that you "aren't allowed in your hometown" She fears the judgement of her peers. She won't stand by you because she thinks you'll embarrass her. I know you're hurting but please call her out. Expose her pride In front of everyone. Strip her of her standing and ask her why her love comes with so many conditions! It's not too late!

My heart breaks for you, Jen. But don't let this woman who will abandon you for any reason determine the biggest decision in your life. Weigh the pros and cons reasonably, please. Assume that she may be the one left standing alone in bigotry because when others see how much light you bring they will want it in their lives.

I'm so sorry you had to go through this...