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TaraJo

So, this has been a big deal for me.  My boyfriend (ex-boyfriend, I guess) have been together almost 8 years, but now it looks like we're splitting up.  It hurts, but I think it needs to happen.

What happened?  I need to just tell the story and get some of it off my chest.  I feel like writing it down and knowing someone reads my story.... that helps me feel better.  We got together back in 2011.  He's trans but he was pre-everything then and I thought I was just dating a slightly butch girl.  I was wrong.  After a few years, he gained enough confidence to start on T and he felt so much better for it.  However, his body issues..... those seemed to get worse.  Then we moved into a really shabby apartment in Houston and I started getting beat up by depression and the affection we had for each other disappeared.  Not entirely, but enough that we didn't cuddle or kiss and sex was all but gone. 

Fast foward to 2016.  I had an opportunity to move back to my hometown.  Get myself here and I have the opportunity to fix my relationship with my family, my kids and put my old life back together.  And Lee (my ex), well, he seemed to be on board and even a bit excited about it.  So in July of 2016, we moved from Houston to Tulsa.  We got janky jobs at a shabby call center, but, hey, we had income so you can't complain too much, right?  We were taking care of ourselves.

Well, the next spring, Lee was let go from that job.  His attendance wasn't great; he tended to get to work way too late and take too long on break/lunch.  He found a good manufacturing job, though, so he actually came out kinda ahead.  As for me, if Lee wasn't working at the call center, it was so far away for me to get without a car that I looked into the manufacturing job myself. 

Unfortunately, that job was a temp job.  At the end of the summe, they let everyone go.  As soon as I got some issues with my state ID taken care of, we were able to find fast food jobs. Not the best jobs in the world, but we had paychecks until we found something better.  While I was doing fast food, though, I put in applications for other jobs and one of them was just about a perfect job: predictible 9-5 hours, I can walk there from home in 20 minutes, the pay is better than any job I've ever had and the benefits are amazing (including extensive transgender surgical coverage) and my mom even worked for this company for several years, so I already have some amount of familiarity.  I was in a good position with this job.

I knew I was doing great and I encouraged Lee to get a job better than fast food.  He was reluctant but he put in and got hired with a new job.  Well, he didn't get past the training with the new job.  He was able to find another temp job after that but..... that was when he started struggling with work.  He'd get a temp job, work it, but then lose it without having something new lined up.  That happened several times and he always seemed to go at least a week between losing the old job and getting a new one.  That's managable, but still frustrating.

As for me, with my new job and surgery becoming a real possibility, I knew the surgeon would want me to lose weight.  So, I started dieting and eating healthy and working out at the gym.  I went from 320 lbs to 235; not down to my goal, but it's still a lot of weight I lost there.  And as I started losing that weight, I started feeling better.  I was happier, more cheerful, more energetic and more affectionate.  Unfortunately, when I got home from the gym, Lee was already in bed, asleep (I wasn't getting home late at night; he went to sleep around 5 or 6 in the evening and slept for like 13 hrs per day).  When he was awake, I remember thinking how much I wish he would just go back to sleep because he was extremely irritable.  I'd come home and make dinner; he'd yell at me for waking him up for dinner.  Next day I'd come home and just make dinner for myself; then he'd yell at me for not making dinner for him.  I couldn't win.

Well, while I was struggling with that, I still scheduled a consultation with Dr Ley in Scottsdale.  I went to that consult and scheduled surgery for May 28.  I figured with my awesome health benefits and the pay I'm making, I can handle that with no problem.  Unfortunately, a couple of big monkey wrenches got thrown into my plans.

1)  Lee had gotten a new car a while back.  That by itself wasn't a problem, but he never insured it or got the tag.  He didn't even think of those until 6 months later when a cop pulled him over for it.  So he went out and took care of that right away, only to find out he would have to spend over $1000 to get the tag.  Late fees add up.

2)  The expensive tags also prevented him from being able to contribute to very much of the rent that month.  I had to pay most of Decembers rent myself instead of just covering half.

3)  His temp job ran out.  I forget if it was late November or early December, but he lost the job.  Unlike other times he lost his job, though, he didn't seem to have the same level of concern about it now.  He would spend all night scrolling through facebook, sleep the next day until like 3 in the afternoon and spend all evenings chatting with friends.  Over a month he didn't have work and for January's rent, well, I had to pay that all by myself.

By now I had to pay over $1000 to cover for him and he still had no job in sight.  I was angry and frustrated and he wouldn't listen to why I was angry or frustrated.  I wasn't going to be able to save enough to have surgery in May and, extremely reluctantly, I called Dr Ley and rescheduled things for next November.  That literally had me crying. 

But Lee would continue to pick fights, he would continue to scream at me, he would continue to show absolutely no gratitude for the fact that I've been picking up his slack for over a month.  Not only that, but to get him to put ANY effort into his job search, I had to change some of my habits.  Remember how I was dieting and hitting the gym?  I couldn't do that anymore.  I had to get home and stand directly over Lee's shoulder to get him to do a job application.  If I went to the gym, he would INSIST on going with.... and then tell me it's too late for an application when he got home.  If I wanted something healthy for dinner, well, I'd go into the kitchen to put it together and I'd find him goofing off instead of looking for work when I came back into the bedroom.  I felt more like I was his mother than his partner.

We have a two bedroom apartment.  He finally took notice when I told him to move into the other room.  He finally found a couple of jobs, but they're both part time.  Still, I feel like that's too little too late.  He's hurt me.  Having to reschedule my surgery is just awful.  His lack of affection is painful.  His lack of maturity is frustrating. 

I dont' think he knows it, but I put in an application with a new apartment.  I'm probably moving out soon; it's just a question of when.  I hope he gets his ->-bleeped-<- together, but I can't give him the opportunity to drag me down with him anymore.
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Linde

Just remember, if TaraJo does not look out for TaraJo, nobody else will!
This Lee person seems to be a looser, and losers have the tendency of being freeloaders to no end!
Send him away into the desert, and he can sleep there as long as he wants!  He is not a good partner for you!  Transitioning is hard enough with support, but it is almost impossible when a looser holds you back!
Good luck for you!
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TaraJo

Quote from: Dietlind on January 27, 2019, 09:31:13 AM
Just remember, if TaraJo does not look out for TaraJo, nobody else will!
This Lee person seems to be a looser, and losers have the tendency of being freeloaders to no end!
Send him away into the desert, and he can sleep there as long as he wants!  He is not a good partner for you!  Transitioning is hard enough with support, but it is almost impossible when a looser holds you back!
Good luck for you!

That's pretty much the plan.  Like I said, I put in an application with another apartment and once it gets approved, I get to work on moving.  Living here would be less expensive if Lee could cover his half the bills, but he usually can't.  Or, I guess he CAN if he puts more effort into finding work and applies for decent jobs instead of half-assed little minimum-wage fast-food jobs.

Unfortunately for him, I have a feeling he's going to wind up running back to live with his parents.  He's FtM, they're religious fundamentalists and transphobic.  So, if he moves back to Houston and lives with them, he won't be able to bind, he won't be able to take T, he'll have to go by his old name and he'll get called "she" and "her" all the time and I just don't think he'll be happy.  But he'd be less happy homeless and if that's his only other option, well, that's where he'll go.

And, yeah, he's kinda turned into a loser/slacker and it's frustrating.  In fact, he's turning into the kind of loser/slacker that attracts other loser/slackers and they all have a nasty habit of encouraging each others bad habits.
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GingerVicki

I'm sorry to hear about your situation. A partner is supposed to help support the other one and it seems that this isn't the case. I would move on. Having to postpone SRS is huge, to say the least. It seems that you are on the right path so don't stop.

I had to remove practically everyone from my life because they were toxic. It can be tough and lonely but worth it in the end.
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Linde

Quote from: TaraJo on January 27, 2019, 11:38:00 AM


And, yeah, he's kinda turned into a loser/slacker and it's frustrating.  In fact, he's turning into the kind of loser/slacker that attracts other loser/slackers and they all have a nasty habit of encouraging each others bad habits.
You got it girl!
And make sure that you don't get caught up in this, because you seem to want to get up in life, losers have no place in it!
Hugs
Linde
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GingerVicki

Quote from: Dietlind on January 27, 2019, 12:45:36 PM
You got it girl!
And make sure that you don't get caught up in this, because you seem to want to get up in life, losers have no place in it!
Hugs
Linde

People definately drag people down with them.
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I am sorry you are having to deal with the crumbling relationship and transition simultaneously. It sounds like you are on the right track.
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Athenajacob

Quote from: TaraJo on January 27, 2019, 11:38:00 AM
That's pretty much the plan.  Like I said, I put in an application with another apartment and once it gets approved, I get to work on moving.  Living here would be less expensive if Lee could cover his half the bills, but he usually can't.  Or, I guess he CAN if he puts more effort into finding work and applies for decent jobs instead of half-assed little minimum-wage fast-food jobs.

Lots of material on here, so its hard to find things but I wish I found a post with you talking about the 1K in late fees prior--I don't know if it would have been possible, but sometimes you can ask for a reduction or waiver due to financial circumstances--unhelpful now, and hopefully not useful in the future, but anyway my pro bono esquire tip of the day I guess.

Only you can decide what to do in your relationship and I don't want to encourage you to leave or stay, but recommend you look at pros and cons; pros are you probably have love for Lee and are afraid for them and want them to change and would be with them if the could; cons are they probably wont change, are fighting their own demons which only they can face down on their own and they are causing you financial harm. I imagine you have no connection with Lee other than emotional so severance from them is not overly onerous except that you lose them from your life.

That said, you need to take care of yourself; you put the mask on you and then the child next to you in the airplane situation often applied.

And options, stay and do nothing, stay and try and change Lee, leave and tell Lee if he rights himself there may be a way back, leave and just end it clean.

I am not saying any of these are the "right" answer and only you know what you need to do! You certainly would not be the first person to vent and stay, or the first to vent and vamoose--no matter what I wish you and Lee both all the luck in the world. It is hard for us, all of us.

Warmly,

Athena
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Arianna Valentine

Quote from: TaraJo on January 27, 2019, 12:35:44 AM
So, this has been a big deal for me.  My boyfriend (ex-boyfriend, I guess) have been together almost 8 years, but now it looks like we're splitting up.  It hurts, but I think it needs to happen.

What happened?  I need to just tell the story and get some of it off my chest.  I feel like writing it down and knowing someone reads my story.... that helps me feel better.  We got together back in 2011.  He's trans but he was pre-everything then and I thought I was just dating a slightly butch girl.  I was wrong.  After a few years, he gained enough confidence to start on T and he felt so much better for it.  However, his body issues..... those seemed to get worse.  Then we moved into a really shabby apartment in Houston and I started getting beat up by depression and the affection we had for each other disappeared.  Not entirely, but enough that we didn't cuddle or kiss and sex was all but gone. 

Fast foward to 2016.  I had an opportunity to move back to my hometown.  Get myself here and I have the opportunity to fix my relationship with my family, my kids and put my old life back together.  And Lee (my ex), well, he seemed to be on board and even a bit excited about it.  So in July of 2016, we moved from Houston to Tulsa.  We got janky jobs at a shabby call center, but, hey, we had income so you can't complain too much, right?  We were taking care of ourselves.

Well, the next spring, Lee was let go from that job.  His attendance wasn't great; he tended to get to work way too late and take too long on break/lunch.  He found a good manufacturing job, though, so he actually came out kinda ahead.  As for me, if Lee wasn't working at the call center, it was so far away for me to get without a car that I looked into the manufacturing job myself. 

Unfortunately, that job was a temp job.  At the end of the summe, they let everyone go.  As soon as I got some issues with my state ID taken care of, we were able to find fast food jobs. Not the best jobs in the world, but we had paychecks until we found something better.  While I was doing fast food, though, I put in applications for other jobs and one of them was just about a perfect job: predictible 9-5 hours, I can walk there from home in 20 minutes, the pay is better than any job I've ever had and the benefits are amazing (including extensive transgender surgical coverage) and my mom even worked for this company for several years, so I already have some amount of familiarity.  I was in a good position with this job.

I knew I was doing great and I encouraged Lee to get a job better than fast food.  He was reluctant but he put in and got hired with a new job.  Well, he didn't get past the training with the new job.  He was able to find another temp job after that but..... that was when he started struggling with work.  He'd get a temp job, work it, but then lose it without having something new lined up.  That happened several times and he always seemed to go at least a week between losing the old job and getting a new one.  That's managable, but still frustrating.

As for me, with my new job and surgery becoming a real possibility, I knew the surgeon would want me to lose weight.  So, I started dieting and eating healthy and working out at the gym.  I went from 320 lbs to 235; not down to my goal, but it's still a lot of weight I lost there.  And as I started losing that weight, I started feeling better.  I was happier, more cheerful, more energetic and more affectionate.  Unfortunately, when I got home from the gym, Lee was already in bed, asleep (I wasn't getting home late at night; he went to sleep around 5 or 6 in the evening and slept for like 13 hrs per day).  When he was awake, I remember thinking how much I wish he would just go back to sleep because he was extremely irritable.  I'd come home and make dinner; he'd yell at me for waking him up for dinner.  Next day I'd come home and just make dinner for myself; then he'd yell at me for not making dinner for him.  I couldn't win.

Well, while I was struggling with that, I still scheduled a consultation with Dr Ley in Scottsdale.  I went to that consult and scheduled surgery for May 28.  I figured with my awesome health benefits and the pay I'm making, I can handle that with no problem.  Unfortunately, a couple of big monkey wrenches got thrown into my plans.

1)  Lee had gotten a new car a while back.  That by itself wasn't a problem, but he never insured it or got the tag.  He didn't even think of those until 6 months later when a cop pulled him over for it.  So he went out and took care of that right away, only to find out he would have to spend over $1000 to get the tag.  Late fees add up.

2)  The expensive tags also prevented him from being able to contribute to very much of the rent that month.  I had to pay most of Decembers rent myself instead of just covering half.

3)  His temp job ran out.  I forget if it was late November or early December, but he lost the job.  Unlike other times he lost his job, though, he didn't seem to have the same level of concern about it now.  He would spend all night scrolling through facebook, sleep the next day until like 3 in the afternoon and spend all evenings chatting with friends.  Over a month he didn't have work and for January's rent, well, I had to pay that all by myself.

By now I had to pay over $1000 to cover for him and he still had no job in sight.  I was angry and frustrated and he wouldn't listen to why I was angry or frustrated.  I wasn't going to be able to save enough to have surgery in May and, extremely reluctantly, I called Dr Ley and rescheduled things for next November.  That literally had me crying. 

But Lee would continue to pick fights, he would continue to scream at me, he would continue to show absolutely no gratitude for the fact that I've been picking up his slack for over a month.  Not only that, but to get him to put ANY effort into his job search, I had to change some of my habits.  Remember how I was dieting and hitting the gym?  I couldn't do that anymore.  I had to get home and stand directly over Lee's shoulder to get him to do a job application.  If I went to the gym, he would INSIST on going with.... and then tell me it's too late for an application when he got home.  If I wanted something healthy for dinner, well, I'd go into the kitchen to put it together and I'd find him goofing off instead of looking for work when I came back into the bedroom.  I felt more like I was his mother than his partner.

We have a two bedroom apartment.  He finally took notice when I told him to move into the other room.  He finally found a couple of jobs, but they're both part time.  Still, I feel like that's too little too late.  He's hurt me.  Having to reschedule my surgery is just awful.  His lack of affection is painful.  His lack of maturity is frustrating. 

I dont' think he knows it, but I put in an application with a new apartment.  I'm probably moving out soon; it's just a question of when.  I hope he gets his ->-bleeped-<- together, but I can't give him the opportunity to drag me down with him anymore.
Well judging from what I read it does seem like he was using you at first yes he probably really did love you but after time he got so comfortable with you supporting him that he realized he didn't have to do anything and you kept supporting him it didn't matter that it took away from you or that took away from your relationship he had somebody to take care of him and that was what mattered it is a very good thing that you are leaving this relationship honestly in my opinion at least

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Allison S

I understand you have goals that need to be met in a certain timeframe... Seems like your bf was holding you back in a big way... That's not an ideal situation at all. But you were together for years? I understand you were splitting the bills in half, correct? Did you both forget to save money in case one of you didn't have an income? I feel like in a way you gave up on your relatioship, while it's completely understandable and in your right... How would you feel if the roles were reversed? Would you want your partner to just leave you before at least trying to figure out what the problem is and trying to help them fix it?
Of course not every relationship is that strong and if it's not working out it'a not working out. Sounds like your mind is made up already and you know what's best for you.

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TaraJo

Quote from: Allison S on January 28, 2019, 07:20:36 PM
I understand you have goals that need to be met in a certain timeframe... Seems like your bf was holding you back in a big way... That's not an ideal situation at all. But you were together for years? I understand you were splitting the bills in half, correct? Did you both forget to save money in case one of you didn't have an income? I feel like in a way you gave up on your relatioship, while it's completely understandable and in your right... How would you feel if the roles were reversed? Would you want your partner to just leave you before at least trying to figure out what the problem is and trying to help them fix it?
Of course not every relationship is that strong and if it's not working out it'a not working out. Sounds like your mind is made up already and you know what's best for you.

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Well, we had been having issues before, anyway.  For over a year there wasn't any affection between us, we never cuddled or kissed and sex was completely off the table.  He'd spend more time hanging out with friends than ever actually doing things with me.  And I don't think he's ever really been able to handle his life without me or someone else standing over his shoulder telling him what he needs to get done (and even then, it's like pulling teeth to get him to take care of the most basic responsibilities).  I think the night I finally decided to get out of there was when he was angry at me over some little thing.  I don't remember what it was.  What I do remember is that he was physically blocking me from getting into my own bedroom and then he was wedging himself into the door so I couldn't get away from him.  That was when things got scary.  That's when I started to get scared to leave my room. 

If you're ever afraid of your partner like that, you need to go.  Period.  Maybe, someday, there's the possibility of us getting back together, but he has a lot of growing up to do.  And I'm going to need to be post-op by then, too, or else I'll always have that reminder in the back of my head that my surgery date is being delayed by him.
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Arianna Valentine

Quote from: TaraJo on January 30, 2019, 10:13:14 PM
Well, we had been having issues before, anyway.  For over a year there wasn't any affection between us, we never cuddled or kissed and sex was completely off the table.  He'd spend more time hanging out with friends than ever actually doing things with me.  And I don't think he's ever really been able to handle his life without me or someone else standing over his shoulder telling him what he needs to get done (and even then, it's like pulling teeth to get him to take care of the most basic responsibilities).  I think the night I finally decided to get out of there was when he was angry at me over some little thing.  I don't remember what it was.  What I do remember is that he was physically blocking me from getting into my own bedroom and then he was wedging himself into the door so I couldn't get away from him.  That was when things got scary.  That's when I started to get scared to leave my room. 

If you're ever afraid of your partner like that, you need to go.  Period.  Maybe, someday, there's the possibility of us getting back together, but he has a lot of growing up to do.  And I'm going to need to be post-op by then, too, or else I'll always have that reminder in the back of my head that my surgery date is being delayed by him.
Honestly if things got to the point where he started getting that physical I'm going to say and he was blocking the door and stopping you from getting away from him he needs to talk to his doctor about his testosterone dosage because his testosterone is way too high and you don't need to go back to that because it will get worse most of the time and you really do not want to have to go through what is worse... I have been there it's not fun it's not pretty it's not easy to get away from be happy you got away from it now and stay away from it while you still can

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TaraJo

Quote from: Arianna Valentine on January 30, 2019, 10:20:21 PM
Honestly if things got to the point where he started getting that physical I'm going to say and he was blocking the door and stopping you from getting away from him he needs to talk to his doctor about his testosterone dosage because his testosterone is way too high and you don't need to go back to that because it will get worse most of the time and you really do not want to have to go through what is worse... I have been there it's not fun it's not pretty it's not easy to get away from be happy you got away from it now and stay away from it while you still can

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Actually, it seems to be the exact opposite:  He's been off his T for way too long.  When he isn't on T, he tends to get emotionally unstable and freaks out over the littlest thing. 

He's been off T because he needs to see the doctor to get it refilled but he can't afford the doctors appointment.  And, again, that comes back to his job or lack thereof.  It also tends to come from his lack of ability to think ahead; he always seems to run out of T and not even thinking of making the doctors appointment until he misses a shot because he ran out and forgot to make a new appointment. 

He has issues with thinking ahead.  I think that's the core of what the problem is.  He's not thinking ahead to what will happen if he doesn't get work, to what I will think or do if he blocks me from my room, he's not thinking about finances until they're staring him right in the face.  And I'm driving myself crazy trying to get him to be aware of just one or two important things that he's neglecting. 
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Allison S

Quote from: TaraJo on January 30, 2019, 10:13:14 PM
Well, we had been having issues before, anyway.  For over a year there wasn't any affection between us, we never cuddled or kissed and sex was completely off the table.  He'd spend more time hanging out with friends than ever actually doing things with me.  And I don't think he's ever really been able to handle his life without me or someone else standing over his shoulder telling him what he needs to get done (and even then, it's like pulling teeth to get him to take care of the most basic responsibilities).  I think the night I finally decided to get out of there was when he was angry at me over some little thing.  I don't remember what it was.  What I do remember is that he was physically blocking me from getting into my own bedroom and then he was wedging himself into the door so I couldn't get away from him.  That was when things got scary.  That's when I started to get scared to leave my room. 

If you're ever afraid of your partner like that, you need to go.  Period.  Maybe, someday, there's the possibility of us getting back together, but he has a lot of growing up to do.  And I'm going to need to be post-op by then, too, or else I'll always have that reminder in the back of my head that my surgery date is being delayed by him.
Wow that sounds very toxic... I'm sorry you had to go through that but at least you're out of there?! For good I hope! Some people are damaged beyond repair...

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HollyKay

@TaraJo,

Sometimes people are in relationships when they shouldn't be. I am one of those people right now. I was in a long term relationship with a wonderful woman, who is a wonderful mother to our child. We have been separated for several months now, and it really ->-bleeped-<-ing hurts still. But I have and had severe depression, and that took its toll on our relationship. Seeing things from the perspective of a single person is what I needed in order to regain my own independence, and realize my responsibilities. I do my part, and contribute, both financially and as a parent. I am considered to have high functioning depression, likely from years of trying to live with it and making a life for myself at the same time. Gender dysphoria and depression are nasty beasts. My suggestion is that you take care of you first, and then help your ex. Sometimes love gets in the middle of things, and it can be just as destructive as the feelings of resentment when you fall out of love. Best of everything with your situation, and good for you for caring. It shows a person's strength of character for staying in the fight, but it will also destroy you if you don't get out.
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