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Show of hands, Who got caught as a kid CD'ing?

Started by Lisa89125, December 13, 2018, 11:19:08 PM

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Lisa89125

QuoteI purged everything when I was about 22 after a bad experience of being made to look like a drag queen and I stopped wearing women's clothing until my early 30s. And then I only mixed male and female clothing now and again. It was never really about the clothes for me, that was just a means of expressing my identity, it was always more about wanting my genitals changed.

Same for me. I really wanted my genitals changed. I got to the point of trying to castrate myself like they do bulls. At 16/17 I had it in my mind either I want a vagina or just a slit to pee.

I used to clip pictures out of the store ads that came in the news papers. I had picked out several outfits I wanted as a teen but eventually threw them all away once mom started discovering my stash of her pantyhose.

Lisa



"My inner self knows better than my outer self my true gender"

Not yet quite ready to post my real self.
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Lisa_K

Quote from: Lisa89125 on December 18, 2018, 06:54:40 PM
Lisa_K, I've actually enjoyed reading your novels. I've never known anyone to just be themselves at such a young age. Let alone someone who had parents willing to go along with it to some degree. Your experience is quite interesting to me.

Lisa

From one Lisa to another, thanks. Actually, my name is Elisabeth but I only used part of it for the forum and I didn't want to use Beth, Betty. Lisbeth or Elise and I really can't stand being called Liz so Lisa it was. Spelling it this way with an s was my mom's brilliant idea and what my birth name would have been so how could I not cooperate with all they'd done for me? Sometimes I've thought she did it as a joke knowing I would have to spell it for people the rest of my life!

There's really not that much interesting about me and things really weren't that much different from trans kids we see today with the exception of how dang long ago it was I dealt with this and how my parents were several decades ahead of the times in their acceptance but I really didn't give them much choice.

A lot of people think that trans children are a new phenomenon happening only in the last 20 years or so but I am proof that's simply not the case even though the further you go back the fewer of us there seems to be? What is relatively new is allowing kids to socially transition which was simply unheard of and impossible in the 1960's and early 70's and why I could look like a girl and do all the girl stuff and have girl things I wanted but still had to be known as a boy to stay in school. Because I couldn't actually transition and be known as a girl, without the balance of the freedoms and understanding from my folks I wouldn't have made it out of my teens.

It usually feels like I'm going on all to much about me sometimes but my story is kind of unique for the era and I think people should know about it if nothing else than for historical reasons and to see another side of things. In this particular forum, trans youth (or former trans youth) are by far a tiny minority especially ones that are now grown adults as are even those that went through surgery in the 70's so blabbing about my stuff is just a way of adding more pieces to the overall picture of the trans experience.

The trans experience? Shouldn't that be a theme park ride somewhere? :)
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ConfusedNyan

I was never caught CDing, though once or twice I borrowed one of my sister's skirts and put it on.  It felt really good.

About the only time I got "caught" doing it was when Mom realized I'd shaven my arms.  She said she preferred her guys have some hair on their arms, but later on, Mom ultimately relented, realizing she should respect my bodily autonomy.  Though she'd said this as recently as, oh, five to seven years ago, when I was well into my forties and still, albeit subconsciously, exploring my gender identity.  I never really got caught shaving my legs, though one of my girlfriends was a little cool on my liking my legs devoid of hair.  Even more so about touching my arms equally devoid of hair.

All said, those activities played very key roles in allowing me to come to terms I may be transgender, with the full commitment to actually do it coming this year culminating with my transition starting last month (11/01/2018).  Here I am, nearly seven weeks in (as of this writing), and I have no regrets starting it.

--Holly.
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pamelatransuk

Quote from: pamelatransuk on December 15, 2018, 08:37:46 AM
Hello Lisa

Three points from childhood I recall:

1. I was regularly trying on mum's lipstick and perfume - she didn't like it but I do not remember any major argument.

2. I first crossdressed at 7 while playing with girls of my age in their Wendy House (Play House).

3. I had told my grandmother at 4 I wished to be a girl; by age 10 she allowed me to dress in her dresses, cardigans and nightdresses. She must have told my mum who was her daughter. There was no argument. I assume Mum thought I would grow out of it. I didn't and I have been crossdressing for 56 years as I am now 63 and publicly transitioning at 64!

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Pamela

Hello again Everyone

I hope you don't mind me raising this point about childhood experiences as I have never seen anyone else refer to it and I find it hard to believe I am the only trans person to have thought it. Although number 4, it is serious and very relevant to me.

4. I was able to count before starting school at age 5 of course, and certainly by age 7 I was aware of halves and quarters. Therefore by age 7 I really believed there must be 4 equal gender groups:
a) Girls who wished to be girls
b) Boys who wished to be boys
c) Girls who wished to be boys
d) Boys who wished to girls     I was obviously a member of group d)
I was correct to assume that as we all now know but I also thought that each group would probably have an equal proportion meaning around 25% in each group! How naïve and how pessimistic could I have been!

Anyone else recall thinking this as part of the wonderful fantasy of childhood please?

Thanking you and wishing you all a Happy Christmas.

Hugs

Pamela


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Beverly Anne

Of course! Who hasn't?! ;) It wasn't getting caught cross dressing that was so embarrassing. I hated what was between my legs, so I often tucked and posed in front of my mirror or lied in bed and just fantasized about the body I wished for. My dad walked in on me once, I was probably around 9 or 10, and that was the worst, though he didn't say much. Gosh, I hadn't thought of that for years, until the subject of "getting caught" as a kid came up. So, it's still happy tucking until GCS in July. Cheers!
Be authentic and live life unafraid!
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Lisa89125

QuoteThe trans experience? Shouldn't that be a theme park ride somewhere?

Nah, It should be a documentary on PBS Nova or the BBC.  ;D

Lisa


"My inner self knows better than my outer self my true gender"

Not yet quite ready to post my real self.
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MaryT

Quote from: pamelatransuk on December 19, 2018, 07:12:13 AM
Hello again Everyone

I hope you don't mind me raising this point about childhood experiences as I have never seen anyone else refer to it and I find it hard to believe I am the only trans person to have thought it. Although number 4, it is serious and very relevant to me.

4. I was able to count before starting school at age 5 of course, and certainly by age 7 I was aware of halves and quarters. Therefore by age 7 I really believed there must be 4 equal gender groups:
a) Girls who wished to be girls
b) Boys who wished to be boys
c) Girls who wished to be boys
d) Boys who wished to girls     I was obviously a member of group d)
I was correct to assume that as we all now know but I also thought that each group would probably have an equal proportion meaning around 25% in each group! How naïve and how pessimistic could I have been!

Anyone else recall thinking this as part of the wonderful fantasy of childhood please?

Thanking you and wishing you all a Happy Christmas.

Hugs

Pamela

I didn't see myself even as part of group d until I was eight.  Until then, I thought that I was part of another group, i.e. girls whose parents force them to dress as boys.  When I was about four, while explaining why I couldn't be called Mary, my mother told me that she knew that I was a boy because boys have different teeth from girls.  I never quite believed her and although I spent a lot of time looking at teeth, I thought that the only differences between boys and girls were that girls had different names, wore dresses, had longer hair and played the games that I liked.  Clearly, I never discussed male and female anatomy with boys or girls but why would I, when the differences between boys and girls seemed so obvious?  Also, I was alone a lot as I didn't like playing with boys and teachers and parents didn't approve of me playing with girls.  As I thought that it was just hair and clothes that defined gender, when my parents saw my early cross-dressing (although I didn't see it as such), I was often naked (cross-undressing?) except for my mother's headscarf. 

I understand that not all trans children are, or were, embarrassed at being seen while expressing their true selves.  It is a good thing when such innocence (I don't mean it as an insult and I don't mean naivety) survives into adulthood.  I am not yet convinced that it is because of the innate qualities of the child, though.  I wasn't embarrassed or ashamed in those early days when for me, cross-dressing (for want of a better word) meant going naked except for a woman's headscarf.  Fear, shame and embarrassment have to be instilled in us by other people.

When I was eight, I made a plasticine model of a nude woman and showed it to my mother.  I think that I was trying to shock her.  I never really noticed breasts (my having been bottle fed may have been the reason)  and the model was basically of an anatomically correct boy with long hair.  It was me that got the shock and I have never recovered, as my mother explained that women and girls did not have willies.  A few months later, a Playboy magazine appeared in the spare room where my toys were kept.  For many years, I presumed that it was left there by mistake and it is only since the deaths of my parents that I realised that it was probably their idea of sex education.  Although I found the centrefold fascinating, I didn't learn much from a 1964 Playboy.  My mother had told me what girls didn't have but it was several more years before I learned what they did have.

Having eventually realised that treating me as a boy was not simply my parents' lifestyle choice, I really did try to be a boy.  I loved my parents and wanted to please them.  I adored my father and it made him visibly happy when I did boy things.  I couldn't help myself, though, and when my parents found me wearing my mother's clothes, my father's quiet disappointment hurt even more than my mother's scathing insults.

Yes, like most trans people who feel that there is no future in which they can stop pretending to be other than what they are, I contemplated suicide.  I never threatened anyone with it, though and I'm sure that if I had it would have resulted in my institutionalisation, not in SRS.  Institutionalisation was certainly on the cards at one time and I was left with a fear and distrust of psychiatrists.   Yes, the alternative to being oneself is soul destroying and to be truthful, I feel that I am not a trans woman but the ghost of a trans woman.   Not that there were never joys in life.  I especially loved exploring nature and viewing wildlife.  Having interests outside of oneself does help.  Even so, I'm sure that I would go insane if I didn't have the ghost of my mother's dog to talk to (yes, I know what you are thinking).  Being one's true self is necessary for mental health.   

It must be remembered that my parents did not really have a choice in how they reacted to my expressing myself as a girl.  It was not just their personal feelings or upbringing.   In the country where I lived, gatherings of more than two cross-dressers were arrested for constituting an illegal "homosexual party".  My mother was among those who believed that "impersonating a woman" was a criminal offence and I believed her at the time.  My parents' attitudes must have at least in part have been down to concern for my welfare.  Even in my teens, I could see their point.  At least by my mid twenties, I had only read of one AMAB person living in that country as a full-time woman, and she worked in sheltered employment for people regarded as mentally deficient.  She made the news because she had been chosen for experimental sex change surgery.

As a more extreme example of why I believe that trans children in some environments MUST quickly learn to fear the consequences of being seen expressing their true nature, I only have to draw attention to existing members of Susan's Place (and those whom I hope are still existing):   

Finally escaping Saudi Arabia to Safety

For some people, being "caught" cross-dressing means just that, and it can be the difference between life and death.







   


   
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AnneK

I'm a 65 year old male who has been thinking about SRS for many years.  I also was a  full cross dresser for a few years.  I wear a bra, pantyhose and nail polish daily because it just feels right.

Started HRT April 17, 2019.
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pamelatransuk

Thank you Mary for a very interesting summary of your childhood thoughts and experiences.

I think we are both about the same age - I am 63 being born in 1955.

I also do not blame my parents for their disapproval of my crossdressing and bodyshaving and being trans either. People of our parents' generation (and indeed many of our generation and the generation younger than us) were/are not educated and/or did/do not understand the transgender issue.

Thankfully people are now gradually becoming more understanding and accepting of us.

Hugs

Pamela


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Geeker

I wasn't caught in the act, but the evidence of my crossdressing was found. When I was 11 or 12 I was spending the summer at my mothers and she found one of her slips and a pair of stockings between the mattress and box spring. I  got an extremely stern talking to over it and had to go through random room checks the rest of the summer.
I'm not out, I'm not on E, unless things change I doubt I ever will be.
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Jen61

I got caught by my brother wearing my sisters princess dress when I was 6 or 7. He drug me out into the living room to show everyone. I kinda wish my parents had the information about TG people that parents have today. I can't really wish that though because I wouldn't have my kids if I was able to live how I wanted.
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Victoria L.

In my early teens my mom cleaned my room multiple times and found women's clothing items and scolded me big time for it, taking them away. Then, one time she somehow caught me wearing panties - the one thing I thought I could get away with because it wouldn't be noticed - and she scolded me again, after that doing an "underwear check" regularly to make sure I was wearing men's underwear. This was back in high school, maybe even around when I joined these forums and it really got to me. Her excuse was always "If people see this, you'll get made fun of at school".

When a couple of years later I got braver and began (a very long, gradual process for me) to subtly wear women's clothing in public, I was always super cautious to not be wearing them when my parents would see me. This was tricky as I couldn't drive and they were the ones that took me to classes. I would end up having to go into a bathroom (which they were all men's restrooms, no private unisex option available, much to my dismay) and change into them after I got taken to classes and then repeat it before being taken home.

Years later in 2013 I was going to a university in another county and commuting back and forth, and also working. I was so burnt out from it all that my room at home was a big mess. I was in the university's symphony orchestra and we went on a trip many states away for several days. While I was gone my mom cleaned my room. I was mortified, because I had not prepared for that at all. Even my dressers were cleaned, it was such a violation of my privacy (I was in my mid-20s by this point). My room was a big mess and that was bad, but, come on! Back then my collection of women's clothing was very limited, though. But there was still some that she found. The weird thing about it this time, is that when I came home nothing was ever said and all that happened was that I found it all washed and hanging up. Granted, it was all subtle stuff (no dresses, bras, panties, etc.), but there's no way she took a look at my flared junior's LEI jeans and didn't notice they were women's.

So maybe something changed then and I haven't caught onto it until now.
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fleurgirl

Quote from: ErinAscending on December 14, 2018, 06:53:06 PM

Then something happened.  And I will leave that to another post perchance.  Short answer to the OP...  Yes.  I got caught.  :-(

<3

I love your story and my heart goes out to you. I hope you were finally able to be your true self or that one day you will be able to.

Lots of hugs,
Fleur
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sarahc

I never got caught by adults, but as a teenager I was caught by a very small child who noticed I was wearing a pair of pantyhose under my pants. The young child tried to tell the adults in the room a few minutes later, but everyone laughed it off.

OMG...that could have been a total disaster. There were a few other times I came close to getting caught but never as close as that.
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Known that I am trans since...forever.
First therapy session / decided to transition / hair removal: October 2018
HRT: January 2019 (journal https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,244009.0.html)
Hope to go full-time: July / August 2019
FFS / SRS: 2020
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RachelH

Yep, my GF at the time caught me when I was about 22 or 23. If she only knew...

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IAmM

I am sure that I responded before, I guess that deleting most of your posts has a drawback. :) Not likely to change, sorry.

I think that the weirdest thing here is that I was so sure that finally there were people like me but as time has gone by, years actually, almost six to be more precise, I find myself admitting what I couldn't before, I am not so very similar after all. It could be natural to want someplace to belong and I do, only on the fringes again.

Please, I am not judging here and don't read too much into it, but I have never understood the need to crossdress. Maybe then I would be more normal. I don't remember ever doing it even though I know that I have, I was so young. I have had a lot of arguments about it and it used to make me sooo mad when my family would freak out about me wearing girls clothes. I didn't remember what they were talking about and I did not care. I had incredibly long rides every day to school with my grandma and we argued about everything, I remember screaming at her one time that I didn't care, that I would dress however they want, just let me be a girl. I hate this about myself and for the longest time, even after I started to transition I thought that I couldn't be trans because of it, I have never cared. I never cared what I wore, yes I had a preference but that was vetoed so long ago that I learned to never fight it after, all that I wanted was to live as a girl and be seen as a girl.

I ah, yes I wore girls clothes, I don't think anyone considered it cross dressing but there was a time when they said that I could not anymore. The thing is, I stopped wearing the clothes apparently their message sank in, they did not stop with the threats, the torture, the shrinks, the mental hospitals and the endless churches and prayers that I would be a normal boy. Not even when I told them that I could not be a boy anymore did I wear the clothes. I don't care. I don't know what that must sound like to so many but I don't care about the clothes, just let me be a girl, let me be me and I will wear whatever you want. I don't care.

Caught, no I don't think that anyone ever thought that, one day they told me what I had to wear and I did it ever after. They never changed how they treated me even though I dressed like a boy, I was still a sissy, still Michelle. I think it must have been amazing to cross dress but I never have, it never mattered if I had been caught, they always treated me as if I had even though I did not.

It could make me less trans, I have no way of knowing and seriously I will never go back now, it just has never been about the clothes to me.
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judithlynn

Lisa;
I knew by the time I was 5 years old that I was really a girl, because I used to have play time with the girl who lived next door and she was about 7 years old and she used to let me wear her clothes , all the while whilst her Mum was downstairs and my Mum was away. I didn't have any boys to play with (we lived on an Army base) as my Dad as an officer, but there were lots of girls in the 5-7 years age bracket. The girls Mum didn't seem to mind, although My Mum was ambivalent about it and didn't tell my Dad. He was very brusque Alpha Male type and Scorpio star sign. By the time I was 11, although I didn't understand it, I was getting severe gender dysphoria. About that time my mother got very sick with Cancer of the Ovaries and was admitted to the Royal Marsden Hospital in Surrey where she was one of the first women to be treated with Radiation Therapy (by the way she survived and lived to the grand old age of 93). By that time I had been sent off Aged 8 to a Boarding School and during my holidays would stay with my grandparents or my parents. Being a very timid shy (and of course now I realise quite effeminate boy), I was bullied something really rotten. Anyway  soon after my 11th birthday, I was sent off to stay with an Aunt and Uncle for the summer holidays and they had a 17 year old daughter. During the day I was basically left on my own and soon ended up dressing in my cousins clothes. Any one day I must fallen asleep in my bedroom still dressed in her panties, a bra and garter belt and stockings, only to be discovered first by my cousin who called me a queer, then my aunt. Anyway what happened was they rang my father who arranged to fly back from overseas and I got a beating from him.  Anyway he consulted an Army doctor who basically told him and me that probably I had "homosexual tendencies" and the best way to get  me out of this as I hit puberty was ECT treatment. My father was recommended  to take me to the specialist in Harley Street who saw me over about 3 weeks where he basically lectured to me that  boys go out with girls, that it was completely unnatural  for boys to dress as girls, that I would make a really ugly girl (not true now) and I was then given the ECT treatment. Basically i was strapped to a gurney and when pictures came up of naked men I got the shock treatment, but when their were pictures of naked girls I got soothing music and  loving messages from a nurse, about how it was natural for boys to love girls.. This continued for the next three weeks. The one thing that this did for me, was I knew then if I was to survive I had to bury deep down in my psyche my desperate need to be female, otherwise I would not survive puberty and growing up. Also if I really needed to be out as a female, it had to be hidden completely from my parents. I then spent an awfully long tome trying to be an Alpha Male for them. I was a soldier, a policeman, did Outward bound rock climbing, parachuting, all sorts of masculine activities to demonstrate to them and my family I was a normal heterosexual male.

The result was a long string of failed female relationships and a marriage all to really beautiful women who eventually discovered they were living with  a Transgender woman. Funnily enough I have never  been attracted to Men and remain a Card carrying Lipstick Femme Lesbian. I have also been blessed with No Adams Apple, very small hands and feet and now I know very low Testosterone. So I supposed I fulfilled my Fathers and the Specialist wishes that I would only have sexual relations with a woman when I grew up.
Best Judith Lynn
:-*
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Monica

I was really careful about it as a kid. I didn't have any sisters, and my mother was a larger woman, so there was no way her clothes would fit me. My dorky cross dressing usually consisted of running around in a towel and making duck lips at the mirror in one of mom's wigs at 2am. But I did sneak dollar store lipstick occasionally. And my mom did figure out that I was using her razors. I told her it was because I was growing a beard (I wasn't, not at 12), I was shaving my legs.
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