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can a morality exist independent of any kind of belief?

Started by katia, November 09, 2007, 02:34:20 PM

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Nero

Quote from: Cire on November 15, 2007, 09:57:17 AM
Quote from: Nero on November 14, 2007, 09:34:39 PM
Quote from: Cire on November 14, 2007, 09:21:17 PM
A rational person wants to be a great as possible. A rational person wants their life to be the greatest. A rational person makes their own purpose.

And why do you assume religious persons don't feel that way? I'm tired of the stereotyping, to be frank.

Stereotyping? It's called a belief system. To the extent that a person is religious, they don't care about this world. To the extent that a person believes there is something better, they cannot care about reality as much. To the extent they believe they are not in control of their lives, they cannot treasure what they have.

It's stereotyping, off-topic, and you're merely repeating the same point over and over again. I'm done. I'm not going to go in circles with you.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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cindianna_jones

Nero,

I don't believe that Cire was all that far off the mark. 

If you take the historical perspective..... think back in the good ole dark ages, religion was a key tool to help people just make it through each day.  The common bloke was a surf to some rich dude.  The surf labored in poverty without relief.  The prospects of a glorious and beautiful afterlife was the only means to make it through each day.  Many argue that this belief system was effectively exploited by those in power to keep the working class under control and in poverty. 

Religion and its moral teachings are intertwined.  The promise of an afterlife is bound to living a good and clean moral life.  I'm not denigrating what people believe, I'm just trying to help clarify Cire's perspective.  A religious belief in the afterlife may distort one's perspective on the reality of the here and now, the life that we have been given to live.  My ex's grandmother lived every day hoping and praying that God would take her home so that she could be with her husband.  She held on for twenty years waiting to die.  What a loss to her and her family that so much of her latter life was wasted.

A religious person will have a hard time separating their moral beliefs from their religious teachings. We see this daily in the political rhetoric on the tube.  A non religious person will have a clear perspective of his moral system (if he chooses to look at it in this light) without the encumbrance of religious doctrine.

Cindi
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tekla

That the major (and minor) religions of the world share a core system of right and wrong -- family good, stealing bad for example -- would tend to indicate that such values are more universal than they are religious.
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