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Breast development

Started by RennyPop, March 24, 2019, 09:40:42 PM

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Lori Dee

Thanks @Robbyv213,

My personal opinion doesn't matter. The purpose of this forum is to share information, preferably correct information.

Although I couldn't imagine why some one would lie about developing health issues such as dvt, blood clots or reporting they had a stroke.

The reason is that they are attempting to steer people away from medically prescribed hormones. Why would they do that? Marketing. Many people already do not trust the medical establishment and Big Pharma. They are playing on those fears to sell untested, unregulated, and ineffective supplements. BreastNexus is one of many websites that do this. It would not surprise me if those stories are not from actual users of the products, but shills just doing more marketing.

The more people buy into their hype, the more commissions they make from Amazon and their other affiliate suppliers. It is all about sales.

The research I do is on studies published in the Journal of Endocrinology and the National Institutes of Health PubMed. These are peer-reviewed medical journals. A study based on bogus hype will not qualify for publication.

Part of the problem we have is that it is estimated that transgender people only make up about 1% of the world's population. And that is only the ones that were counted. Many more may still be in the closet, confused, or not ready to admit to anything.

With such a small percentage of people available for any kind of study, the studies that are being done involve a very small sampling involving maybe 25 - 100 participants. In the scientific community, any results from a small study are considered "medically insignificant" and therefore disregarded by the medical community in general.

They rely instead on studies involving thousands of people, like the Women's Health Initiative which had tens of thousands of women participating. When something goes wrong, as it did, they stopped the study and issued warnings about the dangers. The FDA gets involved and repeats these findings. Then everyone is repeating the same information without bothering to see if it is relevant. Doctors swore to "do no harm" so they tend to tread cautiously.

I can give an example to demonstrate what I am talking about. The Women's Health Initiative participants were taking Premarin (PREgnant MARe urINe) conjugated equine estrogens and a synthetic progestin. If you go to the FDA website and look up Prometrium (micronized bioidentical progesterone) you will find the quote referencing the risk of taking synthetic progestin. Why? It isn't relevant. Prometrium is bio-identical to human progesterone produced in the ovaries.

And so the misinformation continues to get spread.

My point to all of this is not to criticize anyone's decision on what or how they will develop their own bodies. My intent is to ask people to do their own research, use their brains, and really think about what they are doing.

If you don't take care of your body, where are you going to live?
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Courtney G

A few data points from me - not science or anything, really - just sharing this:

  • I started on herbals (oral)
  • My father had arteriosclerosis. I don't know about his cholesterol but mine was chronically high until I treated it with a statin. There was some history of heart disease on my father's side
  • I got some breast development pretty quickly while on herbals
  • Had soreness in one of my calves, which turned out to be a clot. Blood tests revealed high levels of d-dimer and another enzyme (?) associated with clotting. After treatment for the clot, and having discontinued the herbal HRT my values were good and they stayed that way. Haven't had an issue since
  • I decided I couldn't do without HRT, so I contacted and endo and patches were the logical choice
  • I've supplemented the estradiol/spironolactone with topical progesterone. My docs knows about it and is fine with it. She agrees that the topical option is good for me. It's bioidentical and is derived from wild yams, but no, you can't get the same affect by taking a wild yam supplement. There's a chemical process required to synthesize the P4
  • After a couple of years on herbals and finasteride, plus 2 years and 5 months (and counting) on pharma HRT, my breast development has exceeded my wildest expectations. My breasts are large and full - very round, and appear to be Tanner 4 ("mound on mound"). My areolae are large. I do wish my nipples were a bit bigger, but they might continue to develop a bit.

Regarding progesterone cream, it is NOT advised to apply it to breasts. As I understand it, this can lead to an increased risk of tumors. I apply a small amount nightly to non-fatty areas below my belly button. There's a piece you can Google entitled "ALWAYS APPLY BHRT BELOW THE UMBILICUS" that might be useful.



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Lori Dee

I have read that article. It is also useful to explain why we apply patches where we do.

The P4 cream does work better on thin skin, like you said. I read an article that recommended applying to the throat, neck and upper chest area. With thin skin, it has less to penetrate and can get into the bloodstream better. Then the circulatory system can get it to the P-receptors in the breast tissue.

Thanks for sharing!
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Sweet luck

Quote from: Paulie on May 30, 2024, 12:06:54 AMThe next 6 months is where I started seeing some development.  Like the others have said, save your money and be patient.  Above all else don't ever, ever, ever, go the unsupervised route. 

Warm Regards,

Paulie.
Dear Pauline, thank you for your feedback 😊
Of course I'm taking hormones under the supervision of doctor and I pass blood tests regularly every month. Now my Estrogen has acheived target level of 170 pg/ml and testosterone level dropped down to the value less 0.2 ng/ml. I think it is good result after 3 months of HRT. Sometimes I feel some seal in my nippels, but now any other effect. That's why I was suggested consuming folic acid, it is safe as vitamin supplement. I know that pregnant women intake it to ensure pregnancy go smoothly.
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ChrissyRyan

After some initial development, for a long while I thought that there would be no further growth.  But I was pleasantly surprised.  More came my way.  So if yours seamed to have peaked, do not give up hope, you may get more.

Chrissy
Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.
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Lori Dee

Quote from: Sweet luck on June 03, 2024, 06:24:55 AMThat's why I was suggested consuming folic acid, it is safe as vitamin supplement. I know that pregnant women intake it to ensure pregnancy go smoothly.

Folic acid is taken by pregnant women to prevent birth defects in their children. Are you pregnant? It has nothing to do with breast development. Please be safe.
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Sweet luck

Quote from: LoriDee on June 03, 2024, 07:09:06 AMAre you pregnant? It has nothing to do with breast development. Please be safe.
I would be very happy if I were pregnant 🤭
But it's not my case))
Folic acid is a commonly used supplement not only for pregnancy planning. There are a lot of benefits of folic acid, it works with b12 as important vitamin for hair growth, increases skin hydration etc. I think these effects might be useful for transgenders as well. What do u think?
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Lori Dee

B12 is more for nerve health than hair growth. Biotin is the B vitamin for hair, skin, and nails. But the way that B vitamins work is they support each other. Taking one vitamin is less effective than taking a B complex, so all the Bs are included in a balanced formula. I take Super B Complex and a Women's multivitamin for hair skin and nails. It includes the biotin, but also magnesium, iron, etc. so you get all the benefits.

For skin hydration, the best thing to do is drink water. Keep the skin clean and apply moisturizing lotion. They help lock in the moisture.

I agree with you that these things would be helpful, but there are better ways to do it that will provide benefits to overall general health, and not just a target issue.
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Paulie

I have a couple of questions that may have already been answered on this thread, but I don't currently have the time to read back through the whole thread.

The first has to do with growing spurts:  Are your breast only tender during growing spurts?  In other words, "if my breasts are tender, are they currently growing?"   My breasts have been pretty tender for the last 6 months and the growth in the last 3 has been very satisfying.  So, here's the real question, can I expect the growth to continue as long a they are still tender?

Now, here's the second question: Do pubescent girls hold and squeeze their developing breasts, or is it just something that 60 something MTF's do?  Or is it just me?  Seriously, I'm assuming most of us really don't (and shouldn't) know what pubescent girls do, but I can't seem to keep my hands off of mine when I don't have a bra on.  Partly because it feels good to have them held, and partly because it feels good to hold them.  I just hold them; the nipples are too tender for much else.  So, again, the real question is, "Is it just me?".  :laugh:       

Paulie.
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Gina P

Paulie,
 They are called fun bags for a reason. I play with mine every chance I get. Rubbing the nipples stimulates the release of prolactin and increases growth. At 61, I am a full C cup and the fat redistribution is making them bigger all the time. Coming up on 2 years hrt. Pain has subsided but still a little tender under the nipples. I have spoke to many trans girls and seams most of us are into breasts and touching them. It's really nice to not have to buy a dinner and a show, to get a feel.  :eusa_dance: Oops where did that come from?
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Lori Dee

Quote from: Gina P on July 10, 2024, 09:20:14 AMPaulie,
 They are called fun bags for a reason. I play with mine every chance I get. Rubbing the nipples stimulates the release of prolactin and increases growth. At 61, I am a full C cup and the fat redistribution is making them bigger all the time. Coming up on 2 years hrt. Pain has subsided but still a little tender under the nipples. I have spoke to many trans girls and seams most of us are into breasts and touching them. It's really nice to not have to buy a dinner and a show, to get a feel.  :eusa_dance: Oops where did that come from?

That gave me a chuckle.  ;D

Since my dosage and method have been changed, I notice some tenderness, itching, or aches. It is mild and not bothersome. Supposedly that is a sign that they are growing (fingers crossed). Usually, those symptoms subside with a little massage. The nipples have become more sensitive but in a good way. Sometimes if I am massaging and bump the nipple, it is like: "HELLO! More please!"  ;D
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Courtney G

I just crossed the 2.5 year HRT mark and my breasts are still constantly sore. Kind of a low level soreness, like they're bruised. Sometimes, I'll get a mild shooting pain sensation that seems to be centered around my nipples. Growth seems to have slowed a bit and mine are very generous at ~36C but I believe they still are growing. Soreness seems more pronounced the day after I replace my estradiol patches.

It would be fair to say that I'm obsessed with my breasts. I'll share pics of them with any trans woman who is interested in seeing them and I've shared update pics with my best (cis female) friend, who is extremely supportive.

Even after all this time, I still lift my shirt to look at them when I head into the bathroom. My areola are large and my nipples are pretty sensitive, so it gives me a great deal of pleasure to touch them. Honestly, I can't get enough of them, either. I think it's because having them is truly a dream fulfilled and since I remain mostly closeted, they're the main source of affirmation of my femininity.

Regarding developing cis girls, while I have no firsthand experience, I have to imagine that the level of interest in one's breast varies from person to person but that the ones who are more actively interested in them as more than ornaments is somewhat limited. I say this based on conversations with adult women over the years, as my long-term desire to have my own often led me to ask them questions about theirs! Then again, they might all enjoy theirs, during and after puberty, but remain tight-lipped about it!!



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