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Drop 'dehumanizing' mental health assessments for trans youth...

Started by AnneK, April 22, 2019, 07:38:15 PM

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AnneK

QuoteThat made me more sure about this is my path.

My understanding is you'll soon know if HRT is right for you, before it causes permanent physical changes.  Is it such a problem if one tries it and then decides whether or not they want to continue?  Of course, this should be done under proper medical supervision and not just taking HRT on your own.

QuoteIn Sweden we don't have informed consent. We need to see a whole team of specialists and then get the RIGHT diagnose to get treatment. You have to wait atleast a year to see the first doc. Then it takes 6 months to years before they determine if you are transgender or something else.

As I mentioned in another post, that's the way it used to be here.  Where I live that meant going to a psychiatric hospital in Toronto to be evaluated.  You had to be a year in RLE before even being considered for hormones and more.  It was more of an obstacle course, rather than a program to help trans people.  With the current WPATH protocol, that method is considered harmful.
I'm a 65 year old male who has been thinking about SRS for many years.  I also was a  full cross dresser for a few years.  I wear a bra, pantyhose and nail polish daily because it just feels right.

Started HRT April 17, 2019.
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MeTony

T is a powerful hormone. I don't think "try before you buy" is the right way to see if the hormone is right for you. You need to be sure. Once you start it there is no going back. Voice and bodyhair and bottom growth will never go back.

E is from what I understand a bit slower on effects. I suppose the changes come slowly and not within weeks as with T. Maybe E could be tried to see if it makes a differance in your mood or mental health. 

I was already in RLE according to my doctor in the team. I thought I was just me. Been presenting male all my life but 3 confused years in my 30's.


Tony
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AnneK

Well, I have never taken T and don't plan to, so I can't comment on it.  I do know I feel great on E.  Also, the important thing about informed consent is medical supervision, which includes being advised of the risks, and ongoing monitoring.  I have an appointment booked for 3 months after I started HRT and will have more over time.
I'm a 65 year old male who has been thinking about SRS for many years.  I also was a  full cross dresser for a few years.  I wear a bra, pantyhose and nail polish daily because it just feels right.

Started HRT April 17, 2019.
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MeTony

That is great that they don't just leave you to yourself. Monitoring is important, too high or low hormone levels aren't healthy.


Tony
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This article is upsetting to the hilt.

To quote this activist:

"When I decided that I wanted to take hormones to feminise my body, the last thing I wanted to do was to go in front of a psychologist to justify my decision,"

I'd love to ask this person myself, "Why"?

Why is that the last thing you wanted to do?  Did you have something to hide?  Something to be ashamed of?  A pizza in the oven?

Especially with kids... my Lord.  Evidence suggests (and feel free to post counter-evidence debunking this) that 80% of gender-non-conforming children will outgrow these issues just by going through puberty.  Do we really want to do away with the protective mechanism for kids to accurately determine which kids have genuine Gender Dysphoria (which is a life-long thing as I'm sure many of our older transitioners here can attest to) versus those who will, according to science (not just my opinion) outgrow their supposed Dysphoria?  <removed by moderator>
I'm talking about potentially fickle KIDS, not adults with Gender Dysphoria or lack thereof)

Puberty blockers are effective and they DO work beautifully for trans-youth.  But it's utter madness to simply allow informed consent for adults much less for CHILDREN without psychologists assessing their extremely precarious situation.  Let the team assigned to these kids accurately determine the severity of their Dysphoria and treat accordingly.

Look, I understand people's animosity on quote/unquote gatekeepers, but it's NOT due to transphobia, dehumanizing practices, or "keeping transgender people suppressed"; it's about ENSURING the right people are getting the right treatments.  How is that a bad thing?

This activist is wrong, sorry.


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Lucca

I too am somewhat skeptical that the amount of psychological examination prior to receiving hormones or blockers should drop to absolutely zero, especially for children. My understanding, and personal experience, is that it's not actually very difficult to get a green light for your care even with requiring a few medical and mental health professional visits. In a larger city, at least, the people you go to see are not going to make you jump through hoops to get their approval, they'll basically just give you want you want after one session. If nothing else, it puts you in touch with a network of professionals who you'll either need to see regardless (since you definitely still need a doctor to monitor your treatment) or who you may want to see on short notice should something unexpected come up (if transition is more difficult than you expected, it's better to have a therapist you trust already lined up than have to search for one in the midst of a crisis).

The hazing rituals and arbitrary requirements of the past need to go, but a small amount of medical/mental examination that doesn't actually have much of a risk of you being denied care is fine. For children there should be a bit more "gatekeeping" then for adults, but even then, I have yet to see any evidence that puberty blockers represent much of a health risk, even for children who don't end up transitioning. That risk may not be zero, and I'll grant that since most trans-related studies have been performed with subjects who transitioned as adults there's less data on the treatment of trans kids than is ideal, but it's pretty clear what the results of doing absolutely nothing for dysphoric kids are.
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AnneK

Quote from: Lucca on May 27, 2019, 09:33:59 AM
I too am somewhat skeptical that the amount of psychological examination prior to receiving hormones or blockers should drop to absolutely zero, especially for children.

I don't think anyone is advocating hormones for children without therapy.  As I recall, kids entering puberty may receive puberty blockers and only get HRT after they're old enough to decide.  While that article didn't specify ages, teens could include those old enough to vote, join the military and more.  Why should they be denied informed consent, if they're old enough to make that decision.  Also, according to what I've read, you'll know whether hormones are appropriate long before the changes are permanent.
I'm a 65 year old male who has been thinking about SRS for many years.  I also was a  full cross dresser for a few years.  I wear a bra, pantyhose and nail polish daily because it just feels right.

Started HRT April 17, 2019.
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