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Started by LaRell, December 11, 2017, 02:01:40 PM

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LaRell

Okay, so if any of you have seen my other posts, you know I am married to a beautiful, very loving and supportive woman.  Even though I have given her a lot of reasons to, she has not left me and still remains by my side.  She is even okay with and encouraging my transition which is amazing......  However.......quite often she will look at my penis as if she is looking at a terminally ill child that she is losing.  And it absolutely KILLS ME!!!!  I am only almost 5 months on HRT.  But I have known for a very long that a FULL transition is the only way for me to achieve complete happiness.  I have despised my penis for my entire life and I want it gone so bad and plan to pursue GCS as soon as I can.  But........there is that constant sadness as I realize what that means for my wife.  I love to have sex with her, and she loves my penis like crazy.  And it feels like I am being so selfish to want to take that away from her.  I love her to death and want the best for her and want her to be happy, and I hate knowing that I am making a decision that is going to affect her so negatively. 

  I struggle REALLY bad with it lately.  At night I lay there for quite some time having second thoughts.  Thinking about how much I love her and how much I love our sexual connection, and thinking about all of the thousands of ways that being openly transgender really screws your entire life over.  Lost friends and family, hard to find employment, being treated as less than human, actual dangers of physical violence.   So many reasons come flooding into my head about why this is a very bad idea!  And that I have lived for 36 years as a man, why I can't I just make it work for her and everyone elses sake til I die.  But......the next day.......all of the need to transition comes flooding back to me again, and I am able for the most part put out of my mind all of the negative reasons.  I have always felt like a girl and have always wanted nothing more in the world than to just be who I felt I was.

  But sadly.......I had to go and get involved with a girl and marry her as a man.  And now I feel like I am obligated to continue being the person she married even though she is so supportive, just because I know how bad the whole thing hurts her, and how bad she is going to miss my penis and our sexual connection.

  Also........she has said all along that she did not want to have any more kids.  She had one daughter with a previous relationship who is now 5, and lives with us pretty much full time and just visits her dad a couple nights a week.  But because we both mutually did not desire to have anymore kids......I did not store any sperm at a spermbank.  Now.....here I am realizing that a LOT can change.  My wife is only 25, and I am 37.  She still has a lot of time to have another baby if she wanted to, and even though she says she doesn't want to, I recognize that that could easily change sometime in the future, but then what?  I screwed up and did not store any sperm while I had the chance.  I realize I could stop the HRT right now and in a few months, could still potentially save some swimmers.  But I don't want to have to go off of HRT for that long.  I suppose in the long run, that would be a super short period of time.  But for someone who is trans and making such awesome progress on HRT, the thought of slowing that progress or stopping it completely by going off of HRT, is very traumatic. 

  So here I am........making good progress in this whole transition.  Almost 5 months on HRT, and wanting so badly to be the woman I have always felt I was...but at the same time, having a very vivid realization of all of the ways it is going to screw over my life, and the lives of those I love the most, and really finding myself questioning things.  The bottom line is, I know that I need this so bad for my own happiness and sense of well being.  But a friend of mine said something today that really hit me.  She told me that because I married my wife as a man, it is my obligation to sacrifice myself and just be there for my wife since that's what I got myself into.  Is she right?  Is the fact that I made the mistake of marrying my wife as a man, reason enough for me to put aside the constant draw toward being my true self?  This friend of mine told me that if I want to go get manicures or pedicures to feel a little more feminine, then by all means go do that.  But "You are a male, God did not make a mistake" and she basically made me feel like a super ->-bleeped-<-ty horrible person for what I am doing to my wife who loves me so much.  She said "you are really putting your wife through a lot with this, and because of the way you were raised, you are only thinking about yourself right now and your own needs, and you are not thinking about the needs of this amazing woman who is still standing by your side."   That is not actually true.  I think about my wife and how this affects her CONSTANTLY!!!! Which is why I am making this post.  But I wonder if there is any validity to her statement that because I made the decision to marry my wife as a man, that I have an obligation to remain her man.  My wife is so supportive, that if I were to tell her that I decided not to transition, she wouldn't have anything to do with that, because she has witnessed first hand how much happier I have been.  To have to suppress those feelings again would send me into a very closed off depressive state.  I might even reach a point where I no longer desire to live because I am forced to be someone and something I am not.

  I am really struggling here!!!  I wish so bad that certain peoples words didn't get to me so much!  This particular friend was one of the ones who reached out to me when I came out on Facebook and told me that she accepted me and still wanted to be my friend.  And so when she wanted to talk on the phone today, I thought she was a completely accepting person.  But then come to find out, she is very much Christian and used a LOT of God talk.  But still....she really made me feel terrible about what I am doing to my wife by choosing to do this.  And I love my wife so much, that I can't stand the thought of what it is doing to her either.  I am so tempted at times to just throw away my HRT and let my testosterone levels come back up, and continue being a man for my wife.  Then if her and I were to somehow separate, then I could start the transition again where I am no longer affecting her with it.  But then again, how long would I be living in sadness and misery?  The sadness and depression would most likely end up either killing me anyway, or causing so many marital issues that we would end up leaving each other anyway.  So it seems to me like the best option is to go ahead and transition, and be happy, and try to be there for my wife in other ways to attempt to make up for the loss of my penis.    Such an absolutely screwed up position for a person to have to be in.  Holy hell!! 

Faith

I've don't have any 'light at the end of the tunnel' answer for you. Finding that balance can be hard to impossible. Only you know where you're going to end up. At your age, I would consider holding off long enough to freeze some sperm. You are both too young not to cover it. Intercourse? sorry, lets face it. It'll go away. If you both like it that much, and toys aren't an option, the only physical option is to keep it.

That whole 'God made you that way' argument is crap. By that reasoning God made your brain that way too so there you go.

You have to decide where obligation ends and self-health begins. There are risks no matter the choice, pick your battle.

see, not much help, sorry :( I feel so strongly for you that I had to say something, even if it's nothing.
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LaRell

Quote from: Faith on December 11, 2017, 02:13:11 PM
I've don't have any 'light at the end of the tunnel' answer for you. Finding that balance can be hard to impossible. Only you know where you're going to end up. At your age, I would consider holding off long enough to freeze some sperm. You are both too young not to cover it. Intercourse? sorry, lets face it. It'll go away. If you both like it that much, and toys aren't an option, the only physical option is to keep it.

That whole 'God made you that way' argument is crap. By that reasoning God made your brain that way too so there you go.

You have to decide where obligation ends and self-health begins. There are risks no matter the choice, pick your battle.

see, not much help, sorry :( I feel so strongly for you that I had to say something, even if it's nothing.

  Thank you very much for the reply!  Even if you don't feel like it was much help.  It helps me to know others out there care and understand.  And what you said about the "God made you that way" thing is awesome!  I've never thought to use that as a come back.  I was so sure and secure in this whole decision.  I felt like I was way more sure about it than many other trans people who are still in that "questioning" phase.  It never was a "question" for me, and still is not at all a question that I absolutely am transgender and am female on the inside.  But now, the only "question" is whether it is something I need to continue doing something about.  And I so badly want to, and the thought of having to stop kills me!  But knowing how my wife is being affected kills me even more.

KathyLauren

That friend isn't a good friend for you to listen to.  God did not make you male.  We are born this way: he made you trans-female, and God does not make mistakes.  Your wife married you "for better or for worse".  Maybe this is "for worse" for her, or maybe it isn't.  But your friend is wrong about your obligation to your wife.

Your obligation to each other is whatever you negotiate it to be.  Are you talking to your wife about this?  Do you know how she feels about your having GRS, or is it just conjecture?  If you discuss it, she might tell you that she is okay with it.
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LaRell

Quote from: KathyLauren on December 11, 2017, 04:08:55 PM
That friend isn't a good friend for you to listen to.  God did not make you male.  We are born this way: he made you trans-female, and God does not make mistakes.  Your wife married you "for better or for worse".  Maybe this is "for worse" for her, or maybe it isn't.  But your friend is wrong about your obligation to your wife.

Your obligation to each other is whatever you negotiate it to be.  Are you talking to your wife about this?  Do you know how she feels about your having GRS, or is it just conjecture?  If you discuss it, she might tell you that she is okay with it.

   Yes......I was under the impression that this person was a okay and accepting friend.  Like I said, when I came out, she was one of the ones who let me know how much she accepted me still and valued my friendship.  But yesterday, I simply commented on a post she shared about being raised by narcissistic parents, and the effects it can have on our future relationships.  And that's what I'm living with right now.  My mother is quite narcissistic, and it really caused me to grow up with a very warped perception of normalcy when it comes to a relationship.  So I posted a comment about how that really applied to me.  Next thing I know, she is calling me and proceeds to talk to me for 2 hours about having narcissistic parents, but she just had to bring up my being trans for a LOT of the conversation, as if she suddenly had some epiphany that I am trans because my mother was narcissistic my whole life.  Then she proceeded to tell me what she did about me having married my wife as a man, and me owing it to my wife now to continue being her man.

  So to answer your question about if my wife and I talk about it.  Yes we do actually, a LOT!  We talk about my penis going away quite often, and she is looking forward to coming with me when I have it done, and supporting me.  And she is such an amazing, selfless person who cares so much about me and my needs, that even though losing it kills her, and makes her incredibly sad, she is very supportive of it.  She told me the other night that if I were to change my mind and want to keep it, she wouldn't have any problems with that of course.   But at the same time, she knows how much I hate that it is there.  So, between her and I, things are actually good with it, even though it does seriously affect her, and she would rather I was going to keep it, she knows that's just not really an option for me like it is for some transwomen.

  Another thing this "friend" said yesterday.....She knows the situation with my wifes daughter.  She knows that she lives with us full time, and visits her dad a couple nights a week.  Well, this person told me that by my being trans, I could cause my wife to lose her daughter.  If her dad were to have a real issue with me being trans around his daughter, that he could go to court and get full custody of her, which would be a very very bad thing.  With laws being as protective of trans people as they are here in Colorado, and employers not even being able to discriminate employees who are trans, I don't know how likely that would be.  Her dad still lives in his fathers basement, he is extremely immature and anyone who were to compare the awesome life we give her, compared to the life she has when she visits her dad, they would have to be lunatic to take her from us and put her with him full time.  But.......still, hearing those things hurts bad and makes me feel like ->-bleeped-<- to realize how my being the way I am, has the potential to so negatively affect so many people.  It sucks!!!  I love my wife to death, and love how loving and supportive she is, but I find myself wishing I had just done this on my own before ever getting her involved in my mess.

Charlotte F

I feel for you LaRell.  It sounds like you have a very special relationship with an amazing woman which I guess is what makes this so hard for you

I wouldn't listen to that 'friend' much and would give her a wide berth.  Anyone using the Bible to pass judgement on others should really be considering whether they are Christian at all.  You didn't choose to be who you are, you were born that way.  It's not for her to tell you what you should or shouldn't be

Sperm banking is always an option but I too would struggle to give up HRT now having started.  After 37 years, you finally have the medication that is bringing balance to your life and stopping HRT will most likely put serious mental strain on you.  I can understand why some would make a sacrifice for this but I don't think anyone making their own health a priority can ever be considered selfish
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JoanneB

My wife/BFF/soul-mate and I have been together in some way for nearly 40 years now. Sex was a big part of our life. When I dropped the T Bomb on her 9 years ago one of the first things she said was "I did not marry a woman. I love what men have. I love how they make me feel... Rubber doesn't do anything for me". A theme repeated often in the early months to years. Even today with a wreck of a body, she looks forward to the chance of us having sex again. I understand your pain well. I never hated the dangly bits, just would rather not have them.

I know what I'm doing is hurting her. The pain I am causing is pretty much the only "Guilt" I harbor today. I hear the occasional remark over my tucking. Or just how the bits remain mostly hidden even when all I have on is a bath robe and she steals a peek when I am sitting. I know a hubby with nicer boobs then hers bothers her. I know how between the E and AA, my ripe old age, and essentially zero sex drive, she knows chances are slim to none of me being able to perform anywhere like in the past, if at all.

Unlike you, I still live and present primarily as male. My GD was not at the level of needing to make a full social and medical transition. I can easily regurgitate the normal Psych 101 stuff about her staying with you is her decision to make, not yours, etc..  It does not assuage the guilt at all. You KNOW you are hurting her, even if it is unsaid. Her love for most likely keeping those feelings to herself so as not to deny you happiness. Perhaps a compromise that she is making in order to maintain balance an keep all the important aspects of her life and self. Just as I have compromised to strike a balance between all the important aspects of my life, gender being just a piece of the act. Perhaps just as sex with you is just a piece of the balancing act for her?
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linda troung vu

Hi there girls I can relate to your heart and soul loves your wife so much like my wife. She is my best friend and soul mate for over 25 years. 😆 💖  I love my wife so much. But I want to be a female as well. every day I wished for being a real girl in my life and so I feel stuck between being a guy and normal for my wife. she knows that I have always wanted to be a female. I can wear female clothes and stuff all the time. but she doesn't really like this. She wanted me to be a real man and normal. I'm struggling to keep myself happy for her and trying to do my best with work and family. Now that I've been on hrt for 10 months and I've been feeling so good and happy to see my body slowly change in many ways. i am feeling so selfish sometimes that I've chosen to be a female and let her down. I love her with all my heart and soul and trying my hardest to make sure that she is happy. I've heard from a few transexual friends that their wives ran away from having a transexual husband and wanted a real man. So I guess that im lucky enough my wife is still with me. 💋 💖 xoxo
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LizK

Hi LaRell When I read your post my heart really went out to you. I understand where you are at and I have to say it is not an easy place from memory. When I tried to transition for the 2nd time at about the same age my wife asked me to wait until my kids were older. To be really fair about this she did not understand how much I was impacted by my Dysphoria and I also did not understand either. So I packed myself up...she purged my clothes and dropped into a huge state of depression and despair.

Fast forward to now and we are still together after 33 years and stronger now that we ever were prior to my coming out. The thought of "What I am doing to my wife" always bothered me and I used to say things to her about how sorry I was and how hard this must be for her and I was so sorry what I was doing to her...she would always be really gracious and about it and was always nice to me. In the end I started one day with the "I am so sorry for doing this to you..." and she exploded at me. Without going into to much detail she basically said I wasn't doing anything "too"  her and she could not imagine the absolute hell I had been going through for so long and how helpless she felt in how to help me, how she wished things could have been different for me...

Your wife sounds really supportive and really wanting your happiness.

Your "friend" is not really being supportive, they appear think you are making some kind of choice about this and " it really couldn't be that bad...could it" kinda of attitude, they seem to feel you can simply choose not to be trans and it will all go away or bad luck just put up with it without understanding what that actually means for you.

"I married my wife as a man, it is my obligation to sacrifice myself"

We get one life...one go around... in 100 years no one alive will ever remember or care about how you lived your life except you. I don't believe "sacrifice yourself" was likely one of your wedding vows and I doubt your wife wants you too anyway. You sound like you have a great opportunity to have a really great relationship with your wife wether you transition or not. But you being happy would be a far better outcome for all those involved.

Talk to your wife and listen to her, your "friend" has her own agenda and none of it is really about what is good for you and your wife but what fits with her particular take on things.

Listen to all things your wife is saying to you because she sounds really positive to me.

I am sure you will be able to work this out and the key for my wife and I, seemed to be communication.

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Robbyv213

I know this is a old post but I also think and feel this way about transitioning. Sometimes I think about how so many women. Give up their dreams so that their spouse can go after theirs. I feel I must give up transition for the happiness of my wife and her future dreams. I know that's flawed logic and outdated thinking. Just can't seem to not think that from time to time.
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Lori Dee

It's called "love". You put her needs ahead of yours. There is nothing wrong with that as long as it is mutual. When both sides look out for each other there isn't much you can't do. Teamwork makes the dream work. But one-sided relationships do not work. Someone always gets hurt, feels slighted, or feels like they are carrying the load.

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