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liking people physical of the other gender!

Started by jamesBrine, March 11, 2006, 09:57:49 PM

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jamesBrine

I understand that my subject heading does not incorporate all that I want to ask. I'm 20 and Male and have cross dressing feelings for physical plessure which I read is normal. During this time I do not find females nor males attractive but only the thought of cross dressing to be sexually pleasing. My questions are: Does one grow out of this feeling to cross dress only for sexual plessure? And did you still find people of the other gender attractive? If not did you when you grew older? I would appriciate all responses for I am having a hard time trying to figure this issue out in my life
With lots of appriciation James :)
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Debtv

Hi James,

I am a 49 yr old heterosexual crossdresser. I am totaly out and free to cd all I want. My woman is into me and thinks my femmness is cool. She is into me and says I'm a better man than most.

QuoteDoes one grow out of this feeling to cross dress only for sexual plessure?

Yes, I did...well what I mean is, that I now cd just to feel happy and pretty. I think it is cool sexually, but there is more to it than that. I think back at your age, it was my big secret that I did not really want. That is why it was only sexual. You know that desire you have to go out and be seen...well that is the part that is saying "I'm femme and I want to be honest about it!" I found my desire to cd has grown with my age, and I bet yours does too.

QuoteAnd did you still find people of the other gender attractive?

Sexual desire and gender desire are two different things. I am very into women sexually!! I have always felt the same about women...I love them and they really turn me on! Men do not turn me off but they do not turn me on. I have been flattered by some of their positive attention...but men just don't turn me on sexually. In a way I wish I was bi...lol, but I am not. In the same way we did not 'decide' to be transgender, we do not choose our sexual desires either.

For me at 20 yrs old, I was very good with the girls and a crossdresser in the closet. I thought that my cding was just personal sexual fun...at least until I met a good woman to love. But, at least for me, it did not 'go away' and it was much deeper than that...my cd desires grew with my age and became so strong that I HAD TO become honest with everyone I know...to find happieness.

In my view, from you small post...you are a young ->-bleeped-<-/crossdresser and you always will be. Don't worry about losing intrest in girls! lol I found a lovely woman who loves my femme imagination in bed....and so do I! It's extreamly hot for us both.

There are bigger issues than if you are bi or not. I would hope you would be active here....to ask and learn. I was so alone at 20 yrs old...and thanks for the internet and susans.org...you don't have to be!

Love
DebTV

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jamesBrine

hello
Thanks for you post Deb. It offers some great insight.
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Louise

James,

I am an older CD (60+).  I have been crossdressing as long as I can remember.  It is natural for sexual feelings to change as we grow older.  Probably most crossdressers associate crossdressing with sexual arousal when they are younger.  (This may be one of the chief differences between CD's and TS's.)  For most of us this changes as we mature.  I dress en femme to express my femininity; it feels good to wear a dress and makeup, but  the feeling is not primarily sexual.

As far as sexual orientation, that is something that is quite independent of crossdressing.  I do not really think that sexual orientation changes much over a lifetime.  Most crossdressers are heterosexual.  Many are married.  My wife and I have been married for over 35 years.  We do not mix my crossdressing with our sexual intimacy, but some couples do.  I can understand the source of your confusion.  I've been there myself (and without the support of others like we have here).  A lot of public perception of crossdressing associates it with being gay.  Gay drag queens may be the most visible sector of those who crossdress, but the majority of crossdressers are closeted heterosexual men.
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gina_taylor

I can agree with you on your thoughts there Louise. When I started cross-dressing many years ago, I had a lot of sexual feelings that were associated wioth it, but like yourself, as time went on, I found that the sexual feelings went away and nowadays I get more enjoyment out of wearing a dress and makeup. Now I realize that this comment may confuse alot, and alot may think that I'm more leaning to the continum of being a cross-dresser, but since I haven't yet gone full time and I do enjoy dressing when the opportunity does allow, I am still a transsexual more than a typical cross-dresser

Gina  :)
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Leela Rani

James

I am not a cross dresser and have never really felt the need to do it. I have no idea if I am TS or TG or neither. Very late in life I came to the realization that I should not have been born a male after I introspected my life in detail and at length and that I should have been born a female. Biologically I am a male but for some years now I have felt within myself that I am a woman. But I have not talked to my wife, family or friends about my predicament. It is too late for me even to think of transitioning. But then that would not satisfy me. If anything I wish to be a 100% genetic woman which of course is impossible.

I tape and tuck my manhood most times especially when I am at home. This makes me feel very comfortable and it gives me great satisfaction to think I do not have the appendage dangling between my legs although it is there. But I have never been attracted and will never be attracted by a man. I have wonderful feelings for a woman. I do not look at any woman these days with lustful eyes like I might have done in the distant past. If anything I am envious of them in that I am not one of them.If I had been a genetic woman, I would then have most naturally been attracted to a man, I believe.

Although our situations are very different, there is a certain convergence of our feelings on liking people physical of other gender. Hence I thought I would post a reply to yours. I have sometimes attempted to wear a tight fitting jeans after tucking and taping to feel the smooth downward sloping of the pubic mound without the masculine bulge. That also gives me a nice feeling when I put my hands down to see that the manhood is not visible or felt by touch as long as it is taped and tucked. 

Leela
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Bdnewgirl

I am a 41 year old hetrosexual Part time Cd. the feelings for me anymore is not a sexual but more of a sensual. I don't dress all the time, In fact it seems more lately the more stress I have, the more I dress. I have no thoughts when I am dress on being attractive to males or females. I seem to be lost at that time in my own little world.  ;D but not out of touch with reality. It has let me be more of a open person all the time. The hardest part that I am trying to get over is expressing my feelings in words. which I was never good at


Love + hugs
Brandi
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jamesBrine

thank you for your insight and encouragement! i'm still trying to figure it out one way or another. I thought i'd try cross dressing so i bought female underwear a tank top, skirt and nylons. It feels good to dress in the other gender. Since i did this about two weeks ago i have had a hard time in my mind to keep in under control as my mind always tells me to go further. What did you folks do when these thoughts of going further came into your mind and how did you control them?
Thanks agian for your answers and insight.
with lots of appriciation. James!
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Debtv

Can a tv/cd control their cding desires?

Yes they can, by limmiting themselves, but there is a price to pay. For me, when I was younger I limmited my cding with my will power. I tried my best to just make them go away, by denial. The fact is, I never fully succeded. Because I was in denial I would get what I called "bad feelings'. At the time I did not understand or even know what or why those 'bad feelings" where. But out of the blue I would feel really bad and it would cause me to be moody and very unhappy. In my case, I ussually dealt with them by going and getting drunk. That would at least make them go away that night.

In hindsight I now know those bad feelings where brought on by my denial. They ussualy where trigered by seeing a nice dressed woman...and me not only desireing her but feeling jelouse of her. I was jelouse that I was not free to dress pretty too. It ate me up inside with anger towards myself, society and (sadly) those around me. So, I would cd agine then feel the fresh feeling of guilt and weakness. This only grew worse as I grew older.

So, in my view, yes it can be controled but only for a price, a price that is too high to pay. If I had it all over to do...I wish I would have just accepted them about myself and enjoyed it.

Love
DebTV
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TheBattler

Quote from: Debtv on March 21, 2006, 07:59:27 AM
Can a tv/cd control their cding desires?

Yes they can, by limmiting themselves, but there is a price to pay. For me, when I was younger I limmited my cding with my will power. I tried my best to just make them go away, by denial. The fact is, I never fully succeded. Because I was in denial I would get what I called "bad feelings'. At the time I did not understand or even know what or why those 'bad feelings" where. But out of the blue I would feel really bad and it would cause me to be moody and very unhappy. In my case, I ussually dealt with them by going and getting drunk. That would at least make them go away that night.

In hindsight I now know those bad feelings where brought on by my denial. They ussualy where trigered by seeing a nice dressed woman...and me not only desireing her but feeling jelouse of her. I was jelouse that I was not free to dress pretty too. It ate me up inside with anger towards myself, society and (sadly) those around me. So, I would cd agine then feel the fresh feeling of guilt and weakness. This only grew worse as I grew older.

So, in my view, yes it can be controled but only for a price, a price that is too high to pay. If I had it all over to do...I wish I would have just accepted them about myself and enjoyed it.

Love
DebTV

Could not of written I better reply. I have found myself drinking when in denile mode. I have been thinking of going back into denile mode latley but I just do not want to feel the way I felt back in January.

Alice
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madison

My flippant response would be to say, "What is there to control? Have fun!"

But of course we know it is not that easy, or that simple. If it were, such places as Susan's would become unnecessary, we simply would be who we were, discussing sales on cute shoes in passing over lunch, not laboring over who we are and whether it is worth it.

But part of my getting involved here at Susan's is to learn how to honestly say, "What is there to control? Have fun!"

I am 33 years old and have been crossdressing off and on to some extent since circa puberty. There was always a sexual association, especially early on. But for me I think a lot of that came from having no other outlet for something that seemed otherwise intrinsically part of who I was. I was always an atypical male throughout adolescence, and discovering crossdressing without any social affirmation seemed to contribute to a more fetish behavior, than the natural thing it started as.

Like so many others I tried to deny the feminine portions of myself many times, over and over. But as DebTV points out, that only leads to "bad feelings" and in my case I think a prolonged and somewhat severe depression. I have been trying to take steps to remedy this, but that denial and confusion is simply not healthy.

The bottom line is, try to accept yourself now, and others will come to accept you as well. I don't believe you should worry about the cause or the result. Be aware, don't ignore it, but don't worry. Don't inject negative feelings into a situation that requires acceptance and understanding. Explore, experience, and excite. Maybe it's a hobby or maybe it's a life choice. Maybe it's part-time, maybe it's full time. But it is happening.

When en femme I am often sexually excited to this day, and it is often little more than passing excitement of the sensuality somewhat inherent in some aspects of the feminine. While on occasion I may be momentarily sexually aroused, I personally find much more "fulfillment" from having coordinated a stunning and possibly unique outfit. But ultimately it still comes down to heading out and living life, regardless of how you are presenting.

In some ways James, I am disappointed that I am no longer sexually aroused merely by getting prettied up. Such a simple hedonistic joy. But you know what, I have found that I am a lot happier as a person since realizing that I am a person who enjoys the feminine as well as a million other things in this big life. Not just a person obsessed.

Take your time, enjoy yourself, don't do anything dangerous or impetuous, and be yourself. While our cultures might not have made it easy to become fully ourselves, only we can make it natural to do so.

As BDNewGirl points out, the sexual often becomes sensual, and the two are often worlds apart. And while I am not as many years young as Louise, I already relate to her comments on how crossdressing changes as we mature.

Be strong, independent, and fundamentally you. The truth will follow.

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TheBattler

Love your words Madison.

You are asking me to do exactly what my counsellor wants me to do  - enjoy wearing skirts. Trouble is the mental cost. Sometime I love been transgendered and other time I just wish it would go away. Lately I have noticed that I could not be bothered putting on a skirt ??? and I am now looking for a reason to put on a skirt rather then just doing it. Wearing skirts is what I usually enjoy the most and I can remember last time I wore my skirt I just loved it so I do not know why I am hesitating. Perhaps I am becoming more balanced in my approach.

Alice
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Shannon

I've tried to control my CD'ing many times and sometimes I am successful if I willed it away and other times I'm not.  As others have mentioned, there is a price to pay.  I can relate to those bad feelings when I was in denial. 

For me crossdressing started out as innocent play when I was 4.  When I reached puberty it became more of a sexual fantasy to dress up.  As I have gotten much older it has become more and more of a sensual thing rather than sexual and it still feels great.  My biggest downfall is when I go shopping at the mall or I'm watching TV and I see something that catches my eye and I just got to have it.  The impulse is like being a kid in a candy store at first.  I go to the store, buy the item(s) then when I either get to the car or arrive at home with the item(s), thats when I would sometimes start to feel guilty for spending $$$ on what I bought on impulse.  When I try it on, thats when all the guilty feelings usually goes away and I start to feel good about myself once again.  Sometimes these feelings come and go in cycles like this.  As I've gotten older, the guilty feelings I use to have are almost nonexistant than they were when I was in my teens.  I think a lot of it is because I have finally accepted who I really am and I have made peace with myself.   Hope this helps!   :angel:

Shannon     
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Debtv

My tv/cd path to happieness has been:

1. Self-acceptance
2. Honesty..with others and myself.
3. Self-pride

We are special men...to be tv/cd...no brag, just a fact.

Love
DebTV
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jamesBrine

thanks! It is encouraging to hear your insight.
James
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Louise

"Controlling" crossdressing is not like controlling a desire for alcohol.  The consumption of alcoholic beverages can be avery enjoyable experience and if done in moderation is harmless.  But alcohol can lead to addition and overconsumption is harmful in many different ways.  Crossdressing is an activity that is enjoyable and harmless in itself.  Like any enjoyable activity one may become overly obsessed with it, but there is nothing really wrong for a man to wear feminine apparel as much as he pleases.  The problems with crossdressing are not in the activity itself, but in the social consequences of the activity, particularly since this is an activity that is regarded as socially deviant.  It is not just different behavior but is behavior that is socially frowned upon.  (This social attitude is not one with which I agree, but it is a fact.)  Since crossdressing can have social consequences, our "control" of crossdressing should be related to minimizing the harms that might come from those consequences.  There are principally two areas where social consequences of crossdressing need to be considered 1) relations with one's spouse and 2) relations with employers. 

First, there is the matter of one's spouse.  I do not crossdress as much as I would sometimes like, since it is important to my wife that I continue to appear to her as someone who is male.  My wife is not lesbian and she does not want to have a lesbian relationship with me.  She wants me to be her husband, not her girlfriend.  I have an obligation to her to control my crossdressing in such a way that both her needs and mine can be satisfied.  This is in principle no different from any of the other compromises that spouses must make with one another in order to have a successful relationship.  Often the areas of conflict between a crossdresser and a spouse come down to several areas: how much money is to be spent on aquiring and maintaining a feminine wardrobe? how much time is to be spent on crossdressing? and how far will one go in making more or less permanent changes to physical appearance?  All of these can be issues in controlling crossdressing.  If you do not have a spouse, then none of this is relevant.

The second area of concern is employment.  For many crossdressers there is a sometime well-founded fear of losing a job if one's employer found out about our crossdressing.  In many cases this fear may be not justified, but even if it is not many of us do not want to take that risk.  Controlling crossdressing in regard to this concern is simply a matter of prudence and preserving one's right to privacy.  Just do not do anything that will bring unwanted attention to yourself.

Other than these two areas of concern, I do not think there is any need to "control" crossdressing.
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tbray4199

I am a 50+ year old cd, and have been since I was 13.  At 13, I found the same as you did (sexual) for dressing this way.  As I have aged, I find the feeling to cd getting stronger each day or year.  I have been fortunate in finding a woman who I can be totally honest with.  When I explained my desires, she was very understanding.  As this was also new to her, she continues to experiment with my desires. She will dress me in her clothes, and buy my own (women's) clothes.  Our sexual lives have increased ten-fold, as she now desires me to always dress in women's attire when making love.  I believe that many women are "out there" who are as accepting.  However, honesty must be shared between a man and a woman.  The likes and dislikes of both concerned must be taken into account.
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madison

Linda too, that is so wonderful.

I think your sitation demonstrates a beautiful balance. Even in my own life I sometimess find the irrational need to try and separate my gender and sexuality explicitly, if only to make it clear to the world I am not a sexual deviant. Yet, gender and sexuality, while having different qualities and attributes are far from separable.

I am so happy that you have the opportunity to find balance in your feminine desires, and that they are congrouous with your sexual life. Your post demonstrates the fun and excitement that can exist without shame or fetish within the TG community. Heck, that kind of openness and honesty is something that every relationship needs.

Congratulations and many happy days.

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