Second coming

[Kaeren]

Barbie,

I am not even religious in fact. And my wife is even less, she is russian and as you must know Russia did not allow religion for a long time. STill it is not so that "I am religious" = I am good; and "I am not religious" = I am bad.  I am certainly not waiting for somebody in a long dress with a beard that looks like "Christ" telling me what to do and I do not think anybody else is waiting for such a person.  For me life is change and if there is a second person like Christ he or she will look different.

Many times reading text about a prophecy looks a bit fuzzy.  Something like 'it is all wrong guessing" from a few messages below here.  Still I can not help see the globalisation and the increasing tension between the different religions.  And the agression of the muslims or Africans.  And if you talk about a king of kings and a lord of lords then to me that sounds like a president of the united states of the world. And that idea is already a lot less fuzzy than a king of kings. But it is in reality exactly the same.

I am not sure I really understood II 29 or the Bible text but once again you put the finger in something I did not notice or know. Gaule is a rod, it has two meanings. The idea however which is most important for me is the combination of different forces or strengths.  Call it four angels standing at the four corners of the world as either peace-keepers or men/ women of law or whatever.  Any system representing an entire world should be representative of the entire world.  And if such a government would exist one day then there should be subleaders from all sides.  Imagine one world president and then big blocks like America, Asia, Russia, Europ.

There is something like formal power and informal power. A formal leader and an informal leader.  In the movie Gladiator with Russell Crowe the general has the informal power while the caesar has the formal power.  In my country the king might have some formal power but certainly has no informal power whatsoever because he is no example at all. And where I work there is fraud in exams. Officially they do an exam but it is already decided beforehand who gets the position. Resulting in formal leadership without any informal power because of lack of talent.  A leader should have formal but also informal power. The president should be superman in other words.

What the bible text tells in my opinion is that if some disaster should occur like a global war that first the important souls should be ready for it so that they can counter it

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There is many quatrains of Nostradamus in my opinion that are related to a global change and unification.  To give them here would make the message too long.  One important one might be this one perhaps.

X 75

Tant attendu ne reuiendra iamais
Dedans l'Europe, en Asie apparoistra
Vn de la ligue yssu du grand Hermés,
Et sur tous Roys des Orients croistra.

Long awaited he will never return
In Europe, he will appear in Asia:
One of the league issued from the great Hermes,
And he will grow over all the Kings of the East.

This is normally about the second coming of christ.  One of the league of Hermes might be a "transgender" person in my opinion. Neither man nor woman but both and none at the same time.  Somebody like you for example.

Some of the league of Hermes are, Hermaphroditus and Eros. But also Tyche which stands for luck.  And Autolycus, the prince of thieves.

For the rest the translation to English is correct I thnik. However. Tous Roys des Orients might be translated not well.  You should ask a native French speaker but that might menas all the kings from the four winds. It also might mean there is a link with the freemasons.  In America and in many other countries there is no real elections.  There is the ones directly chosen by the people and then the ones selected by the ones selected by the people.  And here comes the influence of the freemasons. It really means democracy is nothing else than an illusion.  In my opinion the USA is no democracy anymore ( I hope I don't get any attacks on this one ). It is a free country. Right ? I am allowed to have a personal opinion.

Kaeren

[barbie]

I am not so much religious, but I believe in spirituality, and more. I think there is a major difference between religion and science. Eventually, both of them should be one, as I hope.

I am interested in the cosmic cycle whose period is ca 130,000 years (360 x 360 = 129,600). Within this cycle, I believe there are two heavens and earths: the first and new one.

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+21&ver=kjv

In this paragraph, there are two heavens and two earths. First and new ones.

In the first heaven and earth, men dominated. We call it the 'yang'-dominated period according to the yin-yang theory. We are now in transition between the first and the new earth. In new heaven and earth, women will dominate, but correctly speaking, men and women will be equal. It is only in the early 20-th century when women got rights to vote around the world.

A most important feature of the first heaven and earth is that the 'conflict' (or competition) is the major principle for growth, development, civilization and maturation. Human civilization in the first earth has been driven by wars. We may call it 'natural selection' or 'the survival of the fittest'. To grow, we should compete each other. And there should be grudges of the defeated. Nowadays, we are familiar with environmental issues such as pollution and global warming. These are byproducts of growth based conflicts. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but it is just a natural process.

Another feature of the first heaven and earth is the divergence (Tree and Fire). There are so many races and religions around the world. The number of specialized area is increasing and increasing. Also is the human population.

On the other hand, we see signs of the new heaven and earth. Convergence and unification through harmony and symbiosis (Metal and Water). And returning to the origin. The meaning of '1999' in Nostradamus, I think, is the status of extreme divergence just before the convergence, because 19 and 9 denote the status of extreme divergence.

I think we are living in a turning-point from divergence to convergence. We see all kind of extremes. The first heaven is like the summer whereas the new heaven is like fall (autumn). In summer, trees grow to have so many branches. In fall, leaves fall to return to the root. Outbreaks of infectious diseases is a common feature of the fall, and Nostradamus implied them so many times. And, ->-bleeped-<- is becoming widespread, but I can not fully explain the reason. But I heard that it is the time when yin and yang are exchanged each other. So many sissy boys and so many manly women nowadays.

Barbie~~

[Kaeren]

Barbie,

I also think we are at a turning point.  I have my own theory but agree with most you said.

How to make something if there is nothing ? There is only one way and that is to make a difference and to make it equal again at the same time.  You have 0, then make one piece -5 and the other +5.  Together they are still nothing at all, but they are also something together.  The impossible becomes true, two opposites are the same. Black is white, white is black. Good is bad and bad is good. ( That sounds bad always ) .  I call it equalities and differences. It really is the same as saying that mass ( the equality ) equals the energy ( the difference ).  E = m c2

Take a pencil. If you look at the front then you see a point, but look from the side and you will see a line. Take this to the limit and you get that nothing ( the very small point ) and everything ( the very long line ) are one and the same. It all depends how you look at it. 

If you would make it religious you would have to say that god and the devil are one and the same person. You could also say that there must be balance between ying and yang. I see the universe a bit like a turning needle from a clock. You really said the same with other words.

From 0 to 6 you must be bad to survive.  From 6 to 12 however you must be good to survive.  From 0 to 6 is chaos, energy, the big bang.  As time progresses it becomes more and more important to have less chaos. Or think about water running through a water system of tubes. In the beginning there are no tubes.  Nothing works but as time progresses people know they need tubes to make a system.  Big progress. But if all the water would be transformed into tubes then again nothing would work any longer. And a new big bang would be needed.

If you think about GOD, then these ideas result in the fact that GOD is not made yet.  GOD is a connection, an equality.  Between each two big bangs there always is 50 % without a GOD and 50 % with a GOD.  If our universe is a young one and it is then God is simply not made yet.  Or you could call it two heavens and two earths.  And we being at the turning point between the two.  Looking at history you can easily imagine the devil was ruling the system untill now and that he will only be willing to go with a big bang ( world war 3 ).

I have many more ideas but I probably do not explain them well. I also believe for example that we will more and more go to an ant-society. Or a bee society.  Insects have many lives.  Up to 4 I believe. For humans it is also already visible we have 3 lives.  The first as a child, the second as an adult and the third as a retired person. In an ant-society specimens become experts in different important matters.  One is a fighter, the other is a queen, still another is for food, or for looking after the babies.  They all work together as if they were one big organism.  The same is true for humans and the internet is a perfect example of it.

Two genders simply is not enough.  There will be many more.  You can have men-men ( homosexual ), men-women ( ... ) , women-man ( sissy boys ), women-women ( lesbian ). Personally I like women, or anything that looks like it.

The same will happen with intelligence I think. A difference will be created. Now you have a gaussian distribution with a top around 140.  In my opinion we will get two Gaussian distributions with people climbing much higher than 140, 200 or so as average.  The second distribution being much smaller however. Same thing with the body. Some will be extremely strong.

In the movie "Time Machine" there is 3 races.  You have the animals, you have the ones with strong mental capabilities who are able to control the weak of mind ( the animals ). And then you have something inbetween that seems to be the strongest race.  I believe we will develop in such a way. Some humans are so cruel that you can only describe them as animals.  How else could you cut the head of somebody otherwise ?  Because they can not handle the complexity of the new world they fall down to more and more cruelty and become animals again. Or they explode themselves.  Regression.  The other end is less visible but develops also. The superminds of the world. But they prefer to hide because this is the safer position.  Only a hidden difference gives a connection ! Think about the pencil. the difference must be hidden, the devil must be put inside.

The universe is quite simple.  At the center there is a gigantic black hole serving as a counterweight for all around it.  That is where we are.  We have to change so that things can stay the same for the black hole. 

You told me that in order to do the full cycle one should be man and woman. I believe this is true.  I see transgender people as the ones whom evolution has choosen to CHANGE. In fact I believe people like that are superior. There is no regression here,  the difference is put inside ( change of the body - you could call it bodybuilding ;-) ), change of the inside instead of change of the outside ( the world around the person ).

Some here are very good with emotions and feelings.  They feel more than others.  They can see the inside of people.

...

Kaeren.

[barbie]

Kaeren,

There were some ancient philosophy schools believing that the essence of universe is like 1 + 2= 3. Even in the Bible, you can see it: 1 + 2 = 3, I mean the one is the three (the Trinity). 1 is yang (positive) and 2 is yin (negative). 1 itself can not act. When it acts, we see 3.

An interesting point regarding the yin-yang is that the destiny of my country is foretold in our national flag itself.



The red denote the North, and the blue the South. The color matches, as the red is the color of communists. Even the boundary between the red and blue in the flag mimics the shape of DMZ between North and South Korea in the map. The DMZ is skewed north in the east and south in the west as in the flag.



The surrounding 4 trigrams in the flag represent the four countries meddling in our affairs. These 4 countries caused the Korean war and have interfered until now. It would be obvious which countries are the four if you read recent news on nuclear weapons of N. Korea.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/07/18/nkorea.iaea/index.html

Kaeren, you once mentioned the big war in the near future. I also replied that it may be started by a war between China and Taiwan. But I expect a bigger war will occur between S. and N. Korea. The DMZ is the most heavily armed area in the world:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0307/feature1/?fs=www7.nationalgeographic.com&fs=www3.nationalgeographic.com&fs=plasma.nationalgeographic.com

A problem is very few Koreans think that a war would occur in the near future. But, some ancient prophets in my country, like Nostradamus, warned that a big war will break out again in this land, and a relatively small scale one, the Korean war, already occurred in 1950. During the Korean war, however, several million civilians were killed, not to mention combatants.

Barbie~~

[tekla]

The wars of this century are going to be about resources and who controls them.  Where Korea was very much about a Cold War idea of 'containment'.  Without oil (or fresh water) in the picture I don't see the US power elite getting very worked up over it anymore.

[Kaeren]

Barbie ( and Tekla ),

Ying as force can not do anything. Yang alone neither. But combine them and you get magic. Whatever or however you call the 2 opposites this seems logical. Water in tubes is usefull. Water alone or tubes alone are not. You need a container or a fondation.

My wife tells me that if you look at russian politicians that they all have a criminal background of some kind. Or they are elite killer soldiers.  Strangely enough she always seems to sympathise with them because they are ritch.  Personally I think Kim likes too much his luxury life. I would call it kitch. If I see that guy I have a very bad feeling. He himself lives in the biggest luxury while his brainwashed citizens live in the biggest misery and dare not to say a single wrong word about his superb excellency who has reached perfection.

We always analyse things according to what is nearest to us. I hardly know anything about Korea. Will you have a war ? I have no idea. Maybe you suffered enough.  I think the war will be a religious one. It is already.  Brussels canceled the fireworks because of a terrorist threat.  Coming back from Spain there was a 5 hour delay. I had to wait practically all day in Allicante. They told us the reason was the cold weather but that was a lie. They could not land in Oostende and had to go to Zaventem because of a terrorist threat.

It is about resources. Yes. But it is also about world dominance. I think there will be a single president of the world. The king of kings and the lord of lords.  In my opinion this person will also be president of Europ and in fact be the same as the second coming of christ.

Nostradamus quatrain VI 70

Chief of the world will the great Chyren be,
Plus Ultra behind, loved, feared, dreaded:
His fame and praise will go beyond the heavens,
And with the sole title of Victor will he be quite satisfied.

Nostradamus quatrain V 74

Of Trojan blood will be born a Germanic heart
Who will rise to very high power:
He will drive out the foreign Arabic people,
Returning the Church to its pristine pre-eminence.

Nostradamus quatrain X 75

Long awaited he will never return
In Europe, he will appear in Asia:
One of the league issued from the great Hermes,
And he will grow over all the Kings of the East.

Thinking about the holy trinity 1 + 2 = 3 maybe Nostradamus is talking about 3 persons who are actually a single one.

Maybe Bush ( or Obama - both "former" drug addicts by the way ) should stop lie once and simply take over all those arab countries. No matter what, those ->-bleeped-<-s will continue to explode themselves everywhere.    The only language they speak is violence and power anyhow. At least that is why I would do if I would be Bush. I would show them once and forever who the boss is. Let's be honest, the american military really are superior. And the whole world knows it is not about saving the poor Iraki people from the monster Saddam.

You see it better Barbie, but in my opinion Korea will not be the main issue. In my opinion some terrorists will kill the american president with an atomic bomb and attack the pope.  You have no idea how many muslims there are in France alone ! And how many there are in Brussels, capital of Europ !

This thing is about global power. Before there will be a king of the world ( the second christ ) there will have to be some fights first. The arabs will first win but then they will feel the strength of the old Europ.  And they will loose !  Make no mistake, they really will loose.


Nostradamus quatrain IV 34

Le grand mené captif d'estrange terre,
D'or enchainé au Roy Chyren offert :
Qui dans Ausone, Milan perdra la guerre,
Et tout son ost mis à feu & à fer.

The great one of the foreign land led captive,
Chained in gold offered to King Chyren:
He who in Ausonia, Milan will lose the war,
And all his army put to fire and sword.

The arabs will attack Europ. And they also will loose ! This is even written in the Koran by the way.

Kaeren

PS : Did you know that in science fiction movies there are never any arab people.
PPS : It would not surprise me if the governator would become president of the USA later, no matter that he is born in Austria.

[cindybc]

Interesting.
Many of us can feel this monster growing and it won't stop until 1/3 of the world has been annihilated. Some will be protected, hidden, these will be the ones to rebuild the world. I am not a Soothsayer nor am I a profit. just feelings, gut feelings as some call it. distortions, a creeping darkness that will threaten to swallow the world. It is in the energy fields, it is in the air, but in the end the Universe will seek to re-balance herself once the ripples have subsided.

Cindy   

[Kaeren]

Cindy,

If the terrorists kill the president of the USA and they might. Then there will be a big revenge.  And that might kill many people.  1/3

Kaeren.

[cindybc]

It could all be avoided, All the events that will lead up to the end day has already been written by the profits. The prophecies are not written in stone, they are merely warning of potential coming destruction,. These catastrophes could be avoided, but it is people like in the middle east who have no sense of value for there own lives, let alone other people lives and Bush is included they will continue to push the envelope or should I say weapons of mass destruction. Those that are greedy and hungry for power are blinded by their own pompous little lives. Tin gods sitting upon their tin thrones on ka ka mountain. Enough of that for me.
Cindy

[lisagurl]

There is no doubt that the world can and is over populated. Some event will reduce the population.

[tekla]

"PPS : It would not surprise me if the governator would become president of the USA later, no matter that he is born in Austria. "

Not going to happen, it would take a Constitutional amendment, which is only slightly easier to do than walking across the Pacific Ocean.  It was floated this past year by Orrin Hatch and went no where in the Senate.  Getting 38 states to vote yes on this is not possible at the is time.

And Arnold has not exactly been an awesome Gov.  Fabulously mediocre is about as good as he got.  Moreover, given the Repub party at this time, he is too far to the left to get any real support.  Doing soft core gay porn movies didn't hurt his run in California, but it don't fly in Alabama.

russian politicians that they all have a criminal background of some kind > And we have the Bush Crime Family.

The only language they speak is violence and power anyhow > I don't hear Bush and Cheney speaking in any sort of a different voice.

I think Bush&Co were trying to move nukes to the mid-east and got caught (or, more likely, were served up with a de facto coup within the military - google 'Bent Spear') and the release of the NIE that Iran gave up its nukes years ago was also a coup from the intelligence community.

[barbie]

I think the war will be a religious one. It is already.  Brussels canceled the fireworks because of a terrorist threat.  Coming back from Spain there was a 5 hour delay. I had to wait practically all day in Allicante. They told us the reason was the cold weather but that was a lie. They could not land in Oostende and had to go to Zaventem because of a terrorist threat.

It is about resources. Yes. But it is also about world dominance. I think there will be a single president of the world. The king of kings and the lord of lords.  In my opinion this person will also be president of Europ and in fact be the same as the second coming of christ.

Kaeren,

I think we are talking about religion and resource as ultimate cause of the possible big war in the near future. I think the both could be the cause, and religion could be extended to 'spirituality'. Both materialistic and spiritual conflicts would put an end.

In my country, like most of other East Asian countries, there has been no religious war. Religious wars always occur among Christianity including Islam (in my view, Islam is also under the umbrella called Judo-Christianism). Judo-Christianism is like fire. It is difficult to coexist with other religions. This is not just my opinion: http://daphne.palomar.edu/calenvironment/religion.htm

However, Judo-Christianism has a great merit that eventually made Europeans dominate the world to fruit modern science and civilization. Descartes and Newton are actually based on Judo-Christianism in the sense that they tried to separate myself (subject, observer) from the nature (object).

Mesopotamia was the origin of western civilization. The duel between descendents of Ishmal and Issac. On the other hand, N. Korea is located closer to prehistoric Hongshan and Xiajiadian culture areas which was the origin of the eastern civilization.

<a goddess sculpture from Hongshan culture, ca. 6,000 year ago, predating the Buddhism of ca 2500 years ago>
The Fung shui is also originated from this culture:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongshan_culture

Kaeren, if ever a big war occur in the near future, I think it is too obvious that the West civilization would easily win. We saw the Gulf or Iraqi war. No a single air fighter of Iraq could ever take off during the Iraqi war because the U.S. blocked GPS signals from the satellite. Muslims could not match in their military power.

If you are a god, would it be unfair that one has a powerful weapon whereas the other has just a fist? The East can not be a match in military for the West. To bring a matter to end, I think a duel should be fair (God would agree with me, as I believe).

Then, it is epidemic such as smallpox. An epidemic is fair in the sense that it does not discriminate between the poor and the rich, or between the strong and the weak. During the plague in the middle ages, the pest did not discriminate between a royal family and the lowly. Still, the rich could have better hygiene and medical treatments. But, if no medicine or antibiotic is available for a disease, then it would be more fair.

After or during a war, an epidemic tends to break out. In Nostradamus, we see he seriously mentioned plagues.

Barbie~~

[lisagurl]

The United States first became aware of Dimona's existence after U-2 overflights in 1958 captured the facility's construction, but it was not identified as a nuclear site until two years later. The complex was variously explained as a textile plant, an agricultural station, and a metallurgical research facility, until David Ben-Gurion stated in December 1960 that Dimona complex was a nuclear research center built for "peaceful purposes."

It is amazing how little the US cared if Israel got the bomb.

[tekla]

I thought that pretty much the US gave Israel the bomb.

[lisagurl]

I thought that pretty much the US gave Israel the bomb.

Through France.

[Kaeren]

There is no doubt that the world can and is over populated. Some event will reduce the population.

I saw a science fiction movie with John Travolta. Battlefield Earth I believe. The whole planet was covered with skycrapers. And he made it explode. The fifth Element was not much better. Also skycrapers everywhere.

I believe there is still some place left to put some humans before they start eating each other.

Posted on: January 04, 2008, 01:45:04 AM

>> And Arnold has not exactly been an awesome Gov.  Fabulously mediocre is about as good as he got.  Moreover, given the Repub party at this time, he is too far to the left to get any real support.  Doing soft core gay porn movies didn't hurt his run in California, but it don't fly in Alabama.

russian politicians that they all have a criminal background of some kind > And we have the Bush Crime Family.

The only language they speak is violence and power anyhow > I don't hear Bush and Cheney speaking in any sort of a different voice.

I think Bush&Co were trying to move nukes to the mid-east and got caught (or, more likely, were served up with a de facto coup within the military - google 'Bent Spear') and the release of the NIE that Iran gave up its nukes years ago was also a coup from the intelligence community.

I think the first thing Arnold did becoming Governor was to lend lots of money because of the budget problems. .. I happen to know a bit about debt and it is not the good thing to do.  I had no idea however he did soft core gay movies. I remember reading his book that when when he arrived in the USA and short on money that he got proposals from gay people but he said it was not his thing and that he never did something like that to move his career forward.



Posted on: January 04, 2008, 01:59:44 AMBarbie,

A religion will always be needed. I moved from atheistic to spirituality to religious. I do not know what I am now, probably a bit of everything. I prefer "The force" from the star wars movies as a religion. To me God is the black hole in the center of the universe which is the counterweight on the balance for all "energy" on the other chaotic universe where we live. The problem is you have two opposites that are the same, or that are one. Like Ying and Yang.

My former boss, an architect, once asked me the reason why priests can not marry ? I told him it was to be closer to God, so that they could put all their energy in God and his message ( instead of giving it to their family ). He replied it was because the church did not want their belongings to go to the children and the grandchildren. The reason is quite materialistic but presented as highly spiritual. Would the church exist if they would not be like that ? Was my answer any different from his ? To me it is not.

The extreme muslims as well as the extreme christians are ready to start world war 3 so that the second coming will come forward. Talking about a paradox.

Religion is a tool of power. Many times it has nothing to do whatsoever with "God". Bush tells to everybody he is a man of faith, and as a consequence "all" christians elect him . In my country the christian party has very little to do with religion at all. They only use the symbol to get somewhere.

In my opinion but I can be wrong, Americans are Europeans. That is where they came from. Or not ? I am not talking about native indian americans and neither about the many kinds of people that America has. The white americans that have the power are Europeans. But we all came from Africa many many many years ago.

I do not think the west will easily win or even that it is their purpose in the first place. It will be hard to DEFEND ourselves if this happens, but defend ourselves we will. And I don't think Europ would impose itself to the rest.  If somebody needs something they should ASK !  No request = no action ! 

To me the fist is more powerful than the atomic bomb. You are right it is unfair that one has only an atomic bomb and the other one something as powerful as a fist. ( Can you understand the logic in this ? The fist is mass while the bomb is energy - How powerful is a glass of water then ? )

How easy is it to solve Sudoku with Brute Force ? You have 9 to the power 81 possibilities.  You are occupied for ever if you work like that. The fist is more powerful !!!

A duel between champions would be fair. Still it would not work. Not today.  First the ones with military power would not want to give away their advantage.  Disregarding the guerilla power of the ones with the fist by the way.  Second the muslims would not respect it if the other champion would win.  A duel only works if the two sides have many members and are of equal strength. Like it was for wars 2 000 years ago.

The black death is the reason why we have sewers and hygiene now. We should be strong not to let it happen again. I mean to take action only after the problem has occurred.



Kaeren.