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Started by lady amarant, January 08, 2008, 01:28:54 PM

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Rachael

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wake up and smell the perfume?
R >:D
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lady amarant

Quote from: Rachael on January 24, 2008, 10:09:15 AM
the key here is FAR too many transition for the wrong reasons.... it might make them happy. but there is more than one way to skin a cat...
HAPPY doesnt cut it...

Hmmm. I don't know about that Rachael - It's a pretty broad statement to make without being in their shoes, so to speak. While I agree that "femaleness" is something inherent that trans-women share with natal women, I don't think it's fair to single somebody out and say they transitioned for the wrong reasons just because they're not exhibiting that femaleness. They might not have discovered that core yet because it's still buried under all those years of conditioning.

I think there is a world of difference between realising you are trans and accepting it. It might as easily be that many people who transition never do accept themselves, always having thoughts deep down of "I'm a freak", "I'm a fraud", "What if those zealots are right?" I mean, though I'm generally at peace with my situation, there are some days I still wanna jump in front of a District line train. (I figure District, because the service on the line might actually improve - can't get worse...) The feeling that I'm a freak and always will be, transition or not - that's the one that gets me sometimes...

All I'm saying is this - until we fully accept ourselves, that little girl is always going to be hamstrung by sorrow, doubt and fear. Don't knock the people who haven't managed to overcome them yet.

Simone
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NicholeW.

I think I understand, somewhat, what Rachael is saying. That for some the transition may be more harmful than helpful. Who does that apply to? I don't think any of us have any way of actually knowing. That's for the person to find out. Hopefully before any long-term changes have been made. Before they discover that they ahve mistakenly decided on X when Y might have been a better choice.

But, I think we also need to make 'I' statements as much as possible so we don't constantly side-swipe one another.

For me a full-transition was the only way to handle the matter. Social is nice and right, but the bits matter more when it comes right down to it. Both is the preferred decision for me in the argument between 'social' and 'body.'

Try to be nice to one another girls. Please. Our convictions about ourselves are perfectly valid. I don't see that they require constant reinforcement by making comparisons to others. There is no comparison that we are likely able to make on computer-screens and without some knowledge of history and lives as we currently lead them.

Thanks,

Nichole   
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Rachael

No, i didnt mean about happyness justify it.
They might be happy in thier little makebelive world, but some people who transition do it for the wrong reasons, like i said about the core femaleness, yeah, transwomen and natal women share it, but some havent even SMELT it...
there is a difference, im not saying that someone who doesnt pass isnt female, au contrare.... But passing is more than visual, and a man wanting to play woman hasnt a clue how to act.... nomatter how they learn...
Sorry, but i feel it degrades the severity of the GID trassexuals suffer when randoms transition to 'better thier life'

This is not a pickmeup..... this is not a change of scenery.....

this is fixing a problem. and sorry as i am to say it, some dont have that problem, but want to take the medicine anyway.
R :police:
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Simone Louise

Thank you, Renate. Your booklist is impressive; thank you for that, too. I admit to being afraid, and trying to work through some of the same questions you all have been debating.

I know I do not wish to transition to attract men! When I was 14, standing in the drugstore, reading about Christine Jorgensen because I dared not buy the book and take it home, two ideas brought me to a dead stop: I did not want to look like a showgirl and I did not want men to find me attractive. Of course, I also had no idea who to talk to nor what to do.

Nor do I wish to attract women. I am already married to my best friend whom I do not wish to alienate. I was in the middle of divorcing my first wife. That took seven years. It was the first and only time I broke off a relationship with a woman.

I told this new woman I did not want a sexual relationship; she need not worry I would seduce her. I merely wanted a friend to be with and to be able to talk about anything and everything. Her response was "Suppose I seduce you?"

Then one morning a couple of years later, she asked me whom I would rather be married to her or my wife. I was surprised and asked: "Would you marry me?" Instead of answering me, she said: "I have to call [her close male friend, a student minister]". She invited him to join us at a restaurant to celebrate our engagement.

My wife is the epitome of Type A, while I, blessed with that type of ADD usually reserved for girls, am the dreamer. I remember once starting a conversation by pointing out that she had so many masculine qualities and I, so many feminine ones. I said I knew I wanted to be a woman; did she ever want to be a man? She said no, which ended the conversation.

She says my mind is wierd, and I quess it is. Fortunately, I have a little more time to wrestle with these gender conundrums. Please keep writing, it helps me sort out the issues.

Warmest regards,
Simone
Choose life.
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