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Nostradamus91

The world has forced my detransition

I'm 32 almost 33 and my transition failed due to socioeconomic reasons. While I am still legally F and have a legally feminine name I'm as close to being as detransitioned as you can get. Not that I wanted that. This is sad for me as I loved being a trans woman but it was all rigged against me.

I experienced my first job loss at 26 in large part because I was trans. It was the only job of my life I worked at related to my degree (Art History). Jobs in that field are hard to get. After that I was forced to move from Los Angeles to Houston, Texas (ughhhhh) because my family demanded I get psychiatric "help." After I got out I was stuck in Texas and unable to find any work. I ultimately took a job at Walmart but quit after three months and bounced around couches homeless until my friends were sick of me and I was forced to return to my home state of Iowa.

Due to the pandemic stimulus payments I accrued some money, along with working part time at the Census, like 10k. In January 2021 I moved to San Francisco to find trans friendly employment. I was 29.

Due to the gaps in my work history I had to accept a data entry temp job that converted to full time. Due to higher California minimum wage I was making $22, more than I ever had in my life. However after more than a year the job ultimately didn't work out. My coworkers didn't like me for being standoffish and introverted (they were basic bitches lol) and I was overly complacent in the job and avoided stuff that made me uncomfortable like answering phones. I was forced to resign without a job lined up in June 2022.

I filed for unemployment, but had an ego about me at this time. If I could get a $22-24 job so easily couldn't I again? Instead of looking for an office job I should have been looking for any labor job, like maybe dishwashing or something. I had done that job before and didn't mind it.

My job search didn't really pan out due to the fact my subsequent office roles were even more unstable, toxic, and temp. So by spring 2023 I was hurting for money and my unemployment was running out. My family was basically demanding I return "home" to Iowa. I really didn't want to do so so I purchased fentanyl off the streets with the intent to end my life since it was clear to me my happy times were over.

Unfortunately I lost my nerve, and on the next day after purchasing my suicide weapon my uncle flew in from Iowa to drive me back "home".  I feel like had that not happened I would be at peace right now rather than the living death I'm in right now. I roll around in bed at night wishing I wouldn't have delayed ending my life.

My life has been a nightmare since. As you can imagine with a resume like mine I'm unemployable except for minimum wage retail. And that's a problem in Iowa. Knowing I'm back at square one is overwhelming. Knowing I am in a conservative red state while also being trans is even worse.

I have basically let myself slide into further mental illness and my gap is so big now I have no chance to reenter the workforce. This has forced me to detransition. I stopped seeing my psychiatrist because he kept demanding I look for a low wage job. And now I'm going to have to stop seeing the doctor who prescribes me HRT because he demands I see that psychiatrist.

The trans women I know live in liberal meccas, have great careers funding their FFS, etc. I can never have that life. For people like me the dream of transition is rigged against us, and it's impossible.

I had several happy times and moments as a trans woman , but that is over now. And all that's left is pain.

I also want to add I have wanted to transition since my teenage years and even came out to my mother in 2008 for the first time. But when I moved to California the first time in 2015-2016 and finally had access to HRT (there was no informed consent or affordable ways to transition in Iowa back then) my employment in Los Angeles wasn't accepting even though it was a great job. That just goes to show no matter what I do I am knocked back to square one and forced to start everything over. Even more tragically I looked cute and decently passable as a trans woman. Now I look like a fat, mentally ill guy with fried hair and mental issues. This just sucks.

I am just looking for a shoulder to lean on and cry right now. I am actually copying and pasting a post here I originally made on ->-bleeped-<- awhile ago before I had to delete my account because I ended up shadowbanned for reasons unknown.

Thanks for reading.

Lori Dee

Hello Nostradamus,

I'm Lori Dee. Welcome to Susan's Place!

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Sephirah

First of all, thank you for posting.

It is not easy to talk about this stuff. Not even anonymously. You have to look deep inside yourself. And I can relate to a lot of what you're going through. The world can be a very nasty, mean, unfair place. Some people get to live the life they want, where everything is peachy. But probably most don't.

And the thing is, you need an outlet for that. To stop you ending all you can be. You need to scream into the darkness, even if you're not sure anyone is listening.

It took a lot to make this post. I understand that more than you probably realise. And... it's okay to get it out. We don't judge here. We don't have some ruleset that says you have to do this or that. Honey, you will figure this out, in time. What you want, what you can do, what's best for you. And that's okay. Susan's is not here to judge, or blame. Only offer a safe space, okay?

The only thing I will say is... don't lose hope, okay? Worlds change, people change, and it's never too late.

I believe in you. I believe you are more than you think you are. And one day you will see that.

Until then, vent as much as you want, okay? <3
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3

Nostradamus91

Where should I vent in this forum?

Sephirah

Quote from: Nostradamus91 on January 29, 2025, 05:41:06 PMWhere should I vent?

Here, if you want to.

Throw me a PM if you feel that is too public. It's okay to be angry. Or to not see what your next steps should be.
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3

Nostradamus91

Quote from: Sephirah on January 29, 2025, 05:46:20 PMHere, if you want to.

Throw me a PM if you feel that is too public. It's okay to be angry. Or to not see what your next steps should be.

I click on your name to PM you but I get blocked.

Can you PM me and we can continue?

Northern Star Girl

Quote from: Nostradamus91 on January 29, 2025, 05:41:06 PMWhere should I vent in this forum?
  @Nostradamus91
As a member you have access to a variety sub-forum boards that will allow you
to post and discuss various topics...
  Click the following LINK to explore them:               
              Susan's Place Transgender Resources
          https://www.susans.org/index.phphttps://www.susans.org/index.php?action=post;msg=2291978;topic=250039.0#

The one board that I would recommend to you based on your question is:
                  Non-Transitioning and Detransitioning
              https://www.susans.org/index.php/board,487.0.html 


    Susan's Place Transgender Resources
    ► Community Conversation
    ► Transgender talk
    ► Non-Transitioning and Detransitioning


I will be looking for your future postings around the Forum.
Warm Regards, and a big WELCOME to you.
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Sephirah

Quote from: Nostradamus91 on January 29, 2025, 05:53:27 PMI click on your name to PM you but I get blocked.

You need 15 posts, honey. I forgot about that aspect. Keep talking, okay? We do that to prevent people being shady towards the site. If someone sticks around that long, they are probably genuine and not just a Triad mafia bot. :)

Tell me more about yourself. Not just your job. What do you like? What kinds of things make you happy?
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3

Northern Star Girl

@Nostradamus91

Quote from: Nostradamus91 on January 29, 2025, 05:53:27 PMI click on your name to PM you but I get blocked.

Can you PM me and we can continue?

Per the Welcome Message that LoriDee sent to (reply comment #2 on this thread)
she explained in the informational LINKS that she provided
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Nostradamus91

Quote from: Sephirah on January 29, 2025, 05:56:20 PMYou need 15 posts, honey. I forgot about that aspect. Keep talking, okay? We do that to prevent people being shady towards the site. If someone sticks around that long, they are probably genuine and not just a Triad mafia bot. :)

Tell me more about yourself. Not just your job. What do you like? What kinds of things make you happy?

I am so crushed by everything my life is essentially just rotting in bed now. I like listening to music but it gives me no joy anymore. When I was happier I even liked to play music and sing. But not anymore.

Sephirah

Quote from: Nostradamus91 on January 29, 2025, 06:02:51 PMI am so crushed by everything my life is essentially just rotting in bed now. I like listening to music but it gives me no joy anymore. When I was happier I even liked to play music and sing. But not anymore.

I think I would like to listen to your musical creations, honey. From what you've said, I feel like you are worth so, so much more than you think you are. Depression is a real thing, okay? I was diagnosed with clinical depression when I was just a kid. I was like 14 years old. I had this old crusty neckbeard doctor literally come round my house, because my mother was terrified because I was skipping school almost all the time. (For all you folks here who think I'm this angel... I'm really not, lol).

You don't have to be perfect to be you, okay? You just have to be you. And let everyone deal with it how they will. :)
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3

Nostradamus91

Quote from: Sephirah on January 29, 2025, 06:14:58 PMI think I would like to listen to your musical creations, honey. From what you've said, I feel like you are worth so, so much more than you think you are. Depression is a real thing, okay? I was diagnosed with clinical depression when I was just a kid. I was like 14 years old. I had this old crusty neckbeard doctor literally come round my house, because my mother was terrified because I was skipping school almost all the time. (For all you folks here who think I'm this angel... I'm really not, lol).

You don't have to be perfect to be you, okay? You just have to be you. And let everyone deal with it how they will. :)

Well I'm definitely "depressed." But I always have been. But I think I'm actually in some sort of state of long term nervous breakdown. It sucks.

Faced with:

Detransition, which I didn't want

Being forced back to my conservative home state where I know no one and have no opportunities for engagement, excitement, or catharsis

Likely being stuck in this situation for a long time or forever, due to my gravely reduced employment prospects (I'm probably permanently unemployable)

Stuck living with my toxic and controlling mom who invalidates, mocks, and demeans me.

All I can do in this situation is lie in bed and try to relax as I'm faced with constant overwhelming stress and emotional anguish. The only time I leave my room is for the occasional cigarette. It sucks.





Northern Star Girl

@Nostradamus91

I would like to suggest that you continue your conversation, postings, and sharing of your thoughts
on the following sub-Forum board.  You can start your own Topic and Thread there. 
I would also suggest that you read many of the other members threads on that board...
...you may find useful information that will help you to deal with the issues that you have been
sharing and discussing.


                                Non-Transitioning and Detransitioning
  click Link ---> https://www.susans.org/index.php/board,487.0.html 

My warm regards and my best wishes go out to you.
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I started HRT March 2015 and
I've been Full-Time since December 2016.
I love living in a small town in Alaska
I am 45 years old and Single

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                             yahoo.com

Sarah B

Hi Nostradamus

My name is Sarah and I would also like to formally, Welcome you to Susan's Place!

I see that other members of Susan's have also welcomed you as well.

First, I want to thank you for sharing your story.  It takes a lot of strength to open up about everything you have been through and I want you to know that your experiences are heard and appreciated.  I can see how much you have fought to build a life for yourself, only to be met with setback after setback.  That is incredibly frustrating and I understand why you feel overwhelmed.  You are looking for support and I want to offer a perspective that may help you move forward.

I was in a similar situation once.  There was a downturn in my industry as a draftsperson and I found myself without a stable place to live.  I was on the street for a day before I got into a women's refuge.  That gave me shelter, food, and clothing, which were the most essential things I needed at the time.  I was not detransitioning, but I did have to rebuild my life from nothing.

I stayed in the refuge for a year and used that time to enroll in an office administration course.  It was not my dream career, but it was the fastest way to get stable work. By the end of the year, I secured public housing and found a job.  No one knew about my past. I was 33 years old when I started over and it worked.

Another member here also faced a difficult time like this. She was struggling financially and took on multiple jobs to survive.  It was not easy, but she made it through.  Her experience shows that even in the worst situations, there are ways to regain stability.  It may not feel like it now, but you still have options.

Here is what I believe will help you:

  • Secure Shelter and Stability:  If you feel trapped in a toxic home environment, look into shelters or transitional housing programs.  Having a safe place to stay is the foundation for recovery.  If you can move out, even into temporary housing, you will not have to deal with your mother on a daily basis, which could greatly improve your mental well being.
  • Take Any Job for Now: I understand that retail feels like a step backward, but right now survival is the priority.  It does not have to be forever, but it will give you financial stability while you plan your next steps.  Many of us have had to take jobs we did not want just to get through difficult times.
  • Consider Education or Training:  If you feel stuck, a short course or certification could help you get into a better-paying job.  Community colleges and online courses offer quick, affordable options in fields like office administration, medical billing and IT support.
  • Find a Better Psychiatrist if Needed:  Your psychiatrist is right that a job will help with stability, but if you feel unsupported, find a different provider.  Either way, mental health support is essential right now.
  • Do Not Let One Doctor Gatekeep Your HRT:  If your doctor is forcing you to see a psychiatrist to continue HRT, look for another provider.  Many informed consent clinics offer telehealth options and you may be able to get a prescription from a provider in another state.
  • Keep Your Identity Private When Possible:  You mentioned that you passed well before, so there is no need to disclose your past unless it is necessary for medical reasons.  If people perceive you as female, let them. It will make life easier.
  • Detransitioning: Is your choice, but consider the consequences.  It is ultimately up to you whether you decide to detransition.  If you do, please seek a therapist who specializes in gender identity issues to guide you through the process.  However, based on what you have written about yourself, it does not seem like a good choice and would likely lead to more personal struggles.

Gender dysphoria is not something that simply disappears and if you force yourself down a path that does not align with who you are, it could create even more distress in the future.

I know this is overwhelming, but you are not beyond hope.  You are not broken.  You are in a bad situation and bad situations can be changed.  Right now your focus should be on survival, getting stable housing, securing any job and ensuring you keep access to HRT.  Once you have those things, you can start working toward something better.

You are not alone. Keep reaching out. We are here for you.

Once you feel comfortable here, it would be appreciated if you add a little bit more about yourself in the other forums and threads.  I would appreciate it very much as, I'm always interested in learning something new about new members

In addition members of Susan's will more than likely will discuss problems or issues that are similar to yours as most have experienced these issues as well.

Take care and all the best for the future.

Once again, Welcome to Susan's Place!

Best Wishes Always
Sarah B
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Feb 1989 Legally changed my name.
Mar 1989 Started hormones.
May 1990 Three surgery letters.
Feb 1991 Surgery.

Sephirah

Quote from: Nostradamus91 on January 29, 2025, 06:36:48 PMWell I'm definitely "depressed." But I always have been. But I think I'm actually in some sort of state of long term nervous breakdown. It sucks.

Faced with:

Detransition, which I didn't want

Being forced back to my conservative home state where I know no one and have no opportunities for engagement, excitement, or catharsis

Likely being stuck in this situation for a long time or forever, due to my gravely reduced employment prospects (I'm probably permanently unemployable)

Stuck living with my toxic and controlling mom who invalidates, mocks, and demeans me.

All I can do in this situation is lie in bed and try to relax as I'm faced with constant overwhelming stress and emotional anguish. The only time I leave my room is for the occasional cigarette. It sucks.






I think you think you are, sweetie. But listen to what people here are telling you. Nothing is hopeless until you lose hope. Read what Sarah has written. She is extremely wise. And her life experience is second to none.

The only time life isn't worth living is when you give up on trying. You're better than that.
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3

Lori Dee

I was going to add my two cents worth, but @Sarah B hit the nail on the head. Her advice is solid.

You may not be able to do things all at once. Take time. Plan your course and decide what the next step is. Then the next, and then on to the next. Baby steps.

Any task that seems overwhelming is much easier to accomplish if you break it down into simpler tasks.

We are here for you and wish you much success with your journey.
My Life is Based on a True Story
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/ 2024 - Voice Training / 2025 - Passport & IDs complete

Sephirah

You came to the best place, hon. Lori and Sarah, they're like the dream team. Listen to these girls. They are like the wise women of the tribe... without all the tattoos and dancing round firelight. Although I have my suspicions they kind of like that, too, lol.
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3

Lori Dee

I have a dragon tattoo and I love bonfires.  ;D
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Sarah B

Hi Nostradamus

As Sephirah says, maybe me and Lori are wise, but she neglects to mention that she is self-deprecating.

I love bonfires as well but I'm not into tattoos, maybe one day I will have a couple of dolphins on my shoulder blades!

Best Wishes Always
Sarah B
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@Sephirah @Lori Dee
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Sarah's Story
Feb 1989 Living my life as Sarah.
Feb 1989 Legally changed my name.
Mar 1989 Started hormones.
May 1990 Three surgery letters.
Feb 1991 Surgery.

Sephirah

Quote from: Sarah B on January 29, 2025, 11:07:48 PMHi Nostradamus

As Sephirah says, maybe me and Lori are wise, but she neglects to mention that she is self-deprecating.

I love bonfires as well but I'm not into tattoos, maybe one day I will have a couple of dolphins on my shoulder blades!

Best Wishes Always
Sarah B
Global Moderator
@Sephirah @Lori Dee


Nah, girl, you need a dolphin tattoo on your shoulder.

You are both extremely wise, and I am so happy you're here, doing what you do.
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3