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If you are in the UK, be ready - How to stay alive.

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As you probably know the UK Supreme court ruled that the wording of the Equality Act refers to 'biological sex' rather than certificated sex. A stupid ruling, made by ignorant bigots. Regardless, technically it shouldn't mean much as it should only affect a narrow area of law, but it does much more than that. Here is what happens from here and what you need to do...

The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) headed by trans-hating Baroness Falkner have already stated that they are going to use the judgement to issue broad guidance on removing services from trans people and forcing us into the wrong bathrooms. They will issue governmental guidance for all institutions revoking all access to trans people to use the right bathrooms, hospital wards, prisons, everything, changing rooms. It was obvious she was going to use her office to attack trans people in this manner and Baroness Falkner has been on the radio stating this explicitly... Its going to make every bathroom visit a choice between breaking the law or staying safe.

The newpapers are all primed to paint any bathroom disturbances as the trans person's fault, if a group of terfs confronts a trans person in a bathroom and police attend, you are likely to be arrested and taken away for some indecency charge, together with some additional charges of public disorder, resisting arrest, etc. and police in the UK are already stating they will have male officers do the intimate searches of trans women. Following the coming EHRC announcement you will be taken to a male jail, Where you will have your head shaved and statistically its much more likely than not that you will be repeatedly raped...  just don't be here for that.

I am not even speculating with this, this is all announced.

If you are trans in the UK, if there is any way you can, you need to
- Make sure your passport has an extended period of validity. You don't know when your documents will be cancelled or when renewing them might be made more difficult (forced gender marker changes etc).
- You need to plan where you will to if your safety is compromised.
- Consider leaving right now if you can.
- If you are staying, understand things are likely to get more difficult to exist. Not just because of the bathroom stuff but it will create a culture of fear around any support for or association with trans people. Pay attention to the news. If news stories focus on trans people using bathrooms, particularly those stories presenting trans people as dangerous or predatory, then you need to understand this is a massive red flag and you need to get out before you are rounded up or attacked.

If you have another passport or ties to another country consider moving there. Also look at south of Ireland where you can live with a UK passport as part of the UK/Ireland CTA as I understand it.

Understand that despite everyone always thinking it can't happen where they are it CAN happen here.
Understand that things can happen QUICKLY. Blanket invalidating of documents or restrictions on movement like those seen in America, and as we have just seen in the UK changes can be decided without public consultation,  without evidence from both sides, without much warning and over night.

Be safe and be prepared.

Devlyn

Thank you for this post. I've added the appropriate trigger warning to let our members know what they're about to read.

Hugs, Devlyn

kira21 ♡♡♡

Thank you Devlyn.

I should have mentioned. Ireland is likely to be a good choice for people to flee to from the UK. You should, as I understand it, be able to live and work there with a UK passport, without visa. After 5 years of residence you can nationalise as an Irish citizen. Ireland has self -ID, is part of the EU so you should receive greater protections than the UK and there is at least something of a safety net against backsliding to fascism, albeit not a great one, oh and they speak English.

kira21 ♡♡♡

UK courts today said to caller that trans and intersex people should not use single sex toilets and should instead identify themselves to security on entering the building so that they can be shown a separate single occupancy bathroom elsewhere in the building they can use.
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Currently the USA is not a good choice to move to.
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Hi Everyone

Introduction
I disagree with Kira on several sections of her post and note that a number of her claims rest on logical fallacies such as slippery‑slope arguments and assertions without evidence.  The Supreme Court ruling of 17 April 2025 held that "sex" in the Equality Act means biological sex [5][6].  I have quoted each contested statement exactly as written then supplied clarifying information with citations.

Claim 1
Quote from: kira21 ♡♡♡ on April 21, 2025, 10:28:52 AMThe Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) headed by trans‑hating Baroness Falkner have already stated that they are going to use the judgement to issue broad guidance on removing services from trans people and forcing us into the wrong bathrooms.

The EHRC states "It is false to suggest that we are looking to bar trans people from accessing spaces such as public toilets" and confirms that forthcoming guidance will explain existing Equality Act rules case by case [1].

Claim 2
Quote from: kira21 ♡♡♡ on April 21, 2025, 10:28:52 AMThey will issue governmental guidance for all institutions revoking all access to trans people to use the right bathrooms, hospital wards, prisons, everything, changing rooms.

Draft updates aim to clarify when single sex exceptions apply and still require providers to consider proportionality.  Nothing in the consultation text revokes every form of access [1].

Claim 3
Quote from: kira21 ♡♡♡ on April 21, 2025, 10:28:52 AMIt was obvious she was going to use her office to attack trans people in this manner and Baroness Falkner has been on the radio stating this explicitly...  Its going to make every bathroom visit a choice between breaking the law or staying safe.

In her BBC Radio 4 interview Baroness Falkner said services "must be based on biological sex" then added that organisations can create unisex or third spaces and that trans rights "must be respected" [2].

Claim 4
Quote from: kira21 ♡♡♡ on April 21, 2025, 10:28:52 AMThe newpapers are all primed to paint any bathroom disturbances as the trans person's fault, if a group of terfs confronts a trans person in a bathroom and police attend, you are likely to be arrested and taken away for some indecency charge, together with some additional charges of public disorder, resisting arrest, etc.  and police in the UK are already stating they will have male officers do the intimate searches of trans women.

British Transport Police issued an interim policy stating that intimate searches will follow birth sex after the ruling.  No nationwide order compels all forces to use male officers for such searches [3][7].  There is no evidence of a coordinated newspaper campaign.

Claim 5
Quote from: kira21 ♡♡♡ on April 21, 2025, 10:28:52 AMFollowing the coming EHRC announcement you will be taken to a male jail, Where you will have your head shaved and statistically its much more likely than not that you will be repeatedly raped...  just don't be here for that.

Prison placement still follows the Ministry of Justice framework that conducts individual risk assessments and allows placement in women's prisons where appropriate [4].  The EHRC code cannot override this policy.

Claim 6
Quote from: kira21 ♡♡♡ on April 21, 2025, 10:28:52 AMI am not even speculating with this, this is all announced.
None of the extreme measures listed above has been formally announced by the EHRC, the Government, or HM Courts and Tribunals Service [1][2][3][4][7].

Conclusion
Several of Kira's statements rely on logical fallacies and lack supporting evidence.  Current public documents show that the Equality Act guidance update does not mandate blanket exclusion from toilets or other facilities.  Police and prison policies require individual assessments that balance safety and rights.

Legislation, regulations, official guidelines and institutional policies have not yet been revised in response to the Supreme Court judgment.  For now a wait and see approach is sensible.  Monitor any draft changes as they appear then, if new rules prove harmful, use the normal routes for challenge: public consultation submissions, formal legal review, direct engagement with MPs and strategic litigation.

Acting on clear evidence rather than early speculation gives the best chance of correcting or overturning measures that restrict the rights and safety of trans people.

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Sarah B

Hi Kira

You said:

Quote from: kira21 ♡♡♡ on April 22, 2025, 06:59:43 AMUK courts today said to caller that trans and intersex people should not use single sex toilets and should instead identify themselves to security on entering the building so that they can be shown a separate single occupancy bathroom elsewhere in the building they can use.

Can you please provide a citation for the above quote or indicate where it comes from?  As I cannot find any mention in regards to what you have said.

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kira21 ♡♡♡

Hi there,

Right, okay. My intention was to warn people so they could prepare for their own safety, but your response appears more focused on technical debate points rather than acknowledging the potential danger and the need for preparedness.

You seem to have listened to the head of the EHRC saying that new guidance is imminent and that access to single-sex services must be based on biological sex, but you don't seem to infer the significant implications from this. This might be due to an expectation that things will continue as before, despite the new evidence (Normalcy Bias). You use outdated information from before the judgment to interpret the EHRC's actions.

Claim 1:
You quote the EHRC stating, "It is false to suggest that we are looking to bar trans people from accessing spaces such as public toilets." It seems you don't realise that your statement is not a refutation of mine. I said that transgender people will have access to some services removed. This is inherently true if access to single-sex services is restricted, particularly where there is a broad removal of gender identity aligned service access. The EHRC will likely maintain that restricting access to facilities aligned with your birth sex is still "access," not a "bar," and that this move does not constitute a total bar on accessing public toilets (as gender-neutral or birth-sex aligned facilities would still exist). I'm not sure how this nuance is lost on you. By refuting the idea of a total "bar" when my claim was about "some" services being removed, you may be engaging in a form of misrepresenting my argument (Shifting the Goalposts, potentially Strawman depending on how you interpret my original "broad" claim).

Baroness Falkner runs the EHRC and stated on Radio 4, national publicly-funded radio, that services will differentiate access based on sex assigned at birth. I believe this is a link to the interview:


Falkner explicitly states that previous guidance is no longer valid and access to single-sex services like changing rooms and women's toilets must now be based on biological sex. This means services aligned with my acquired gender will effectively be removed from me – my right to use the women's changing room at my local gym, or any other service designated for women under the old interpretation. But sure, according to you, access isn't being removed.

Claim 2:
To argue that services will only be restricted where a high threshold of proportionality is reached, you provide a 2022 consultation document. Unfortunately, it is significantly out of date as it is precisely the type of document that is superseded by the new ruling and the subsequent guidance. Your statement about justification and proportionality, whilst technically correct as part of the overall legal framework, seems contrary to the stated response of the head of the EHRC who writes the guidance. She explicitly states that the guidance to which you refer will be changed in the manner I describe, based on the new legal reasoning. Your expectation that the previous guidelines based on proportionality will function as before seems to dismiss the impact of the recent judgment and the head of the EHRC's clear statements about the required changes, potentially reflecting a Normalcy Bias or an over-reliance on outdated information (Appeal to Authority based on an obsolete source).

Claim 3:
How on earth is stating that transgender people can use disabled toilets a refutation of my claim? Third spaces are not always available. Your refutation had little to do with my statement. My actual claim was that toilet usage is a choice between breaking the law and being unsafe. That is clearly a subjective statement based on fear and risk, and people can decide for themselves if it applies to them. It is certainly not a statement that needed 'myth busting', and even if it were, saying "you can still use the disabled one if they have one" is not an effective debunking of the difficult choice regarding safety or legal compliance that I presented.

Claim 4:
Your argument here misrepresents my claim. I did not say all police departments (though this is, in my speculative opinion, very likely to follow). My statement is correct; the fact that some police forces are doing it and some are not is immaterial to the truth of my claim that police are doing it. If you have any involvement with transport police, by using roads, rail, etc., then you are subject to this policy change. By presenting my claim as being about "ALL police departments," you create a simpler argument to refute than the one I actually made (Strawman).

Also, you say that there is no evidence of broad-scale media transgender targeting in the UK (you used 'coordinated', but I did not say that, so you were misrepresenting my claim - another potential Strawman). Yes, there absolutely is evidence. I am guessing if you are not aware of this, you must not be a UK resident, as it is everywhere. I would be stunned that anyone in the UK who is not anti-trans could genuinely claim this. Look at this report which details the patterns of negative and biased coverage: https://transmediawatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Publishable-Trans-Media-Watch-Submission.pdf. As that report documents, major sections of the press have created a climate of ridicule, used demeaning language, and linked transgender people to criminality. Your dismissal of this as lacking evidence, despite the existence of such analyses, seems like a form of Dismissal of Evidence.

Looking at your location I see that you reside in Australia. It does very much feel like there are aspects of the UK that you are unfamiliar with or have an out-dated understanding of. There is a reason many people refer to the UK as 'TERF island'. [Citation needed :-p]


Claim 5:
The head of the EHRC has stated the intention to change guidance for all sex-segregated services based on sex assigned at birth. This principle, outlined by Baroness Falkner, will impact institutions such as prisons. I don't know how you can claim this is any form of fallacy. As Baroness Falkner confirmed in her interview, the new statutory guidance restricting sex services to those based on sex at birth "it'll be interpreted by courts as the law of the land" (5:19-5:21). Prisons have to comply with equality law, which has been 're-interpreted' by the courts, particularly in the recent judgment involving the Ministry of Justice itself. You are seemingly failing to understand the implications of such a judgment for MoJ policy. You are close to it, but it's like going to the restaurant and eating the menu, if you will – focusing on the description rather than the impending meal. Your reliance on the current MoJ policy [4] as static and definitive, without fully acknowledging its likely need to change in light of the new legal context and statutory guidance, could be seen as an Appeal to Authority based on an soon-to-be-obsolete policy, or another form of Normalcy Bias.

Claim 6:
The main basis for my claims came directly from the interview with the head of the EHRC, who made the following statements on the topic:

Overall Guidance: A new statutory code of practice is coming by the summer. This code will have legal standing ("be the law of the land") and will be interpreted by courts. (5:14-5:23)
Sport: Trans women (those born as men) cannot take part in women's sport. This is presented as a correct interpretation derived from the ruling. (3:02-3:03)
Single-Sex Services (Generally): Access to single-sex services must be based on biological sex. If a male person uses a women-only service, it becomes a mixed-sex space. (3:14-3:27)
Changing Rooms: Access to single-sex changing rooms must be based on biological sex. (3:10, 3:14-3:16)
Women's Toilets: If a service provider offers a single-sex women's toilet, trans people should not be using that single-sex facility. (4:29-4:41)
Health Service / Women-Only Wards: NHS guidance "has to change". The previous guidance accommodating trans people based on how they present or pronouns is "no longer the case". EHRC will be pressing the NHS to update their guidance to reflect the new legal reasoning, implying placement should be based on biological sex. (6:48-7:06)
Though not yet the final 'official' published document, these are incredibly clear statements from the head of the department. She states an official announcement is coming and outlines what it will say.

With regard to the court, my mention was an aside. I rang today, in my official capacity with the judiciary, to inquire as I did not wish to have any issues. That was what I was told. You will undoubtedly say that this does not make it official nationwide policy, and I would concur, it is not; however, we are talking about how people are likely to actually act and how this ruling is actually impacting people on the ground. This is a good example, just as the British Transport Police policy change is a good example. This is the context in which I am providing such instances: to indicate, where formal evidence may not yet be available due to the temporal proximity to the decision, the future appears to be becoming much more dangerous, and to advise people to be ready.

Conclusion
EHRC guidance is about to change, and based on the head of the EHRC's statements and recent policy shifts, you are likely to face restrictions in rights and services related to single-sex spaces in the UK. You are also likely to experience being challenged in bathrooms if you do not 'pass' 100%, or even if you do but 'look a bit masculine' in any way, if other countries with similar debates are anything to go by [citation needed]. I certainly know of increased reports of bathroom confrontations in cities surrounding my location, though this remains anecdotal, unlike the reported police policy changes. Perhaps you would rather wait until we have an academic study of the negative impacts of this change before advising preparedness, but I do not. I advise being prepared. Your dismissal of concerns as mere speculation, despite the evidence of clear intent and policy changes, feels like a Dismissal of Evidence.
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kira21 ♡♡♡

"the basis of single sex services of all kind will be on the basis of biological sex
- Minister for Women and Equalities, the UK Government:

https://www.youtube.com/live/t7GPkBwR_Fk?feature=shared&t=10179

Tell me I am wrong.

EHRC prosecute these cases and Falkner, the chair of the EHRC has stated in the video above, she will pursue breaches for any organisation that does not comply. She states that the EHRC "evaluate when... the law is not being followed" (5:26-5:41) and "make a case by case decision" on how to respond. She explicitly mentions using "enforcement compliance tools" and says, "the law is one of those tools" (5:41-5:52).  She directly answers the interviewer's question "and you will pursue it if it doesn't change?" with "yes we will" (7:00-7:02).

If the government and the EHRC proceed as they have stated they will, and there is no reason to suspect they will not, all places in the UK will become trans-non-inclusive by statute.

You can comply and go in the wrong bathroom, or break the law everywhere you go and hope you don't get caught.

I reiterate, an example of a trans woman confronted in a bathroom. I chose it as I consider it likely to be common, but decide for yourself how likely this is for you.  If you are getting confronted in bathrooms with regularity you are likely to be questioned by police, remember the law is not on your side, particularly if there is an argument with bad language or a scene of some type, you are statutorily disallowed and the law is not on your side. The charges for such an offence would likely be related to Public Order, Breach of the Peace, Outraging Public Decency, or perhaps as LGBT history indicates, sometimes they might use a prostitution charge.

Then there are further charges that people often pick up such as resisting arrest or swearing at an officer in public. Regardless of whether the initial offence is dismissed, you can still face charges for these. Regardless, once arrested you will be searched by male officers who are responsible for all your 'intimate' searches. Let's hope you don't resist that too. If convicted and you end up spending time in jail, then it will be in a male facility.

My advice:
(from my perspective - ...Sarah!):

BE PREPARED. If you can, keep a passport with many excess months, look at places to flee to and consider visa, work, etc., consider when you might need to leave, if its now or what will need to be the case for you to go. Do remember though things change quickly and to leave early is a mistake of inconvenience; to leave late could be much worse. 

Get prepared for the next wave. Be prepared to fight the next fight. Anti-trans movements like LGB Alliance, sex matters, etc. are unlikely to just stop, disband and go home. There is likely more coming and there are clearly few with power willing to resist it. I don't know what will be next, but I would imagine it will be a crack down on 'trans ideology'. The crime of thinking its OK to be trans.

Know what you will do in risky situations, know how you need to respond, know who to call if you get picked up and be as safe as you can.

If you have interactions with the police, stay calm, don't swear (lots get a charge for swearing and shouting, even when the initial complaint is void).

If a confrontation starts, don't entertain it, just leave immediately, don't talk don't give details and don't argue. Plan this in your head now because when confrontations start its easy to panic.  The quicker you leave the less likely you are to be detained.
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kira21 ♡♡♡

It is worth noting that comments from the minister in control of prisons confirmed on TV in the last 24 hrs that this will apply to prisons in the manner I stated.

I should also say that there is some possibility that some places will change their existing bathrooms to gender neutral ones, though there are restrictions on this and the UK government actually brought in building regulations requiring provision of single sex services in place of gender neutral bathrooms, so there are likely complications here. I am not a building regulator so I don't have a great deal of knowledge about that, but I recall when we build an office block recently we had to change our bathroom planning to split sex congragated bathrooms, rather than single occupancy toilet rooms. I can see the regulations are still in effect. I don't think many businesses will do this though and even if some do, it will not change the outlook for trans people much who will experience massive restrictions in services.


Sarah B

Hi Kira

Quote from: kira21 ♡♡♡ on April 23, 2025, 04:26:25 AMIt is worth noting that comments from the minister in control of prisons confirmed on TV in the last 24 hrs that this will apply to prisons in the manner I stated.

What tv station aired the Member of Parliament James Timpson a Citation, link would be appreciated.

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Hi Kira

Introduction
Thank you Kira21 for replying.  You suggested that because I live in Australia I do not understand the United Kingdom situation.  I hold both British and Australian citizenship and I follow the issues that concern us in both countries as well as the United States so judging my evidence by my location is an ad hominem fallacy rather than a critique of the facts.

Claim 1
You say my information is out of date and shows Normalcy Bias.  The key documents I cited relating directly to the Supreme Court ruling and associated immediate policy responses were published on 17 April 2025, the day of the judgment [1][3].  Earlier documents, such as the EHRC's 2022 guidance [2], remain relevant because they are still officially in force until formally replaced.  I also explained that any harmful guidance must be challenged through consultation, judicial review and parliamentary pressure.

Claim 2
You treat Baroness Falkner's Radio 4 comments as proof that gender‑identity‑aligned access will disappear immediately.  However, on the same day, she told ITV that trans people "have rights and their rights must be respected" [1], indicating a more nuanced position rather than immediate, absolute exclusion.  The statutory code she referenced has not yet been implemented and cannot legally override current guidance until formally adopted.

Claim 3
You argue that the 2022 EHRC consultation and guidance I referenced is superseded.  However, formal administrative procedures mean that existing guidance stays legally valid until explicitly replaced or withdrawn.  As of now, no updated EHRC statutory guidance has been issued to replace the 2022 proportionality instructions, so referencing the currently operational guidelines is both relevant and appropriate [2].

Claim 4
You say I misrepresented your point about police search policy.  My original statement specifically referenced British Transport Police because they are the only force that has officially and publicly confirmed a policy change regarding birth‑sex strip‑searching of trans individuals [3].  Other police forces have not announced similar measures and until further official announcements are made, your claim that broader changes are certain remains speculative rather than evidence-based.

Claim 5
You present a 2020 (the document was published in December 2011.  Trans Media Watch report as evidence of a coordinated hostile press campaign.  I acknowledge media bias against trans people exists and has been well-documented.  However, the specific report you cited predates the Supreme Court ruling by several years and thus does not constitute evidence of a new or intensified coordinated campaign following the 2025 judgment.  Until recent data or new analyses emerge demonstrating such a shift, my statement that there is no current evidence for a new coordinated press campaign remains accurate [6].

Claim 6
You state that prison placement will automatically shift to birth‑sex rules.  The Ministry of Justice's framework, re-issued on 14 November 2024, explicitly requires individual risk assessments rather than automatic allocation by birth sex [4].  Until the MoJ conducts and concludes a formal review and officially updates this policy, prisons remain bound by existing guidance, meaning changes cannot legally or practically occur overnight.

You also say NHS wards will now follow birth sex because Baroness Falkner indicated existing guidance "has to change." Currently, NHS England's policy on delivering same-sex accommodation (updated August 2021) explicitly allows hospital trusts flexibility based on clinical justification, including using side rooms or individual assessments [7].  To introduce a blanket birth-sex rule, the NHS would need to formally revise this guidance through consultation, impact assessments and ministerial approval, none of which has yet occurred.

Claim 7
You repeat that male prisoners will have their heads shaved.  Rule 28(3) of the Prison Rules 1999 explicitly prohibits cutting prisoners' hair without their consent unless required by hygiene or medical necessity and no subsequent directive has altered this position [5].  Your repeated claim therefore remains incorrect under current prison regulations.

Claim 8
You cite the 2020 Trans Media Watch (TMW) submission as evidence of a current, coordinated media campaign targeting trans people in light of the 2025 Supreme Court ruling.  As mentioned previously the TMW submission was published in December 2011 a submission from the TMW to the Leavson Inquiry and the media articles were also around that time frame.  Thereby making the report over 14 years old.[6]

It focuses on long-term patterns of media bias, negative framing and stereotyping of trans and intersex people up to that point in that given time.

While the document offers valuable historical context and highlights legitimate concerns about media representation as of 2011, its relevance to current media environment is limited.

The media landscape and public discourse may have shifted significantly since then.  As such, it does not support your specific claim that a new or intensified campaign has emerged in response to the Court's decision.  More recent analysis would be needed to substantiate that assertion.

Conclusion
I recognise the serious risks you describe and agree we must be prepared.  You are being dismissive of what I have said; however, my citations are current and my original post has consistently emphasised the difference between confirmed policy and speculation.
In my responses, I have:

  • documented every official change that is now in force
  • noted that forthcoming guidance might remove rights
  • explained that when draft texts appear they must be challenged through consultation, judicial review and parliamentary pressure.

Preparation is prudent, but presenting predictions as settled fact is not.  Evidence must come first, speculation second.

This is not "waiting for an academic study" but a practical way to act when rules actually change.  Your phone call with an unnamed court official is anecdotal.  Anecdotes can hint at future trends yet they do not replace formal policy.  I would treat such information as signals to monitor, not proof that nationwide rules already exist.  Preparedness can run beside evidence‑based analysis.

I have never suggested waiting passively or relying solely on academic studies rather, I support timely and informed action based on concrete developments.  Hence, as you say "being prepared" is prudent, I'm not being dismissive of "what can occur".

In all my replies, I explicitly acknowledged the seriousness of the situation, clearly stated potential threats and differentiated between confirmed policy changes and speculation.  At no point did I dismiss concerns outright.  Rather, I carefully emphasised the importance of evidence‑based analysis alongside proactive preparedness.

Thus, characterising my approach as a "Dismissal of Evidence" is incorrect and misrepresents what I actually communicated.

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Hi Kira

Yes, I agree whole heartedly that being prepared is absolutely needed.

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kira21 ♡♡♡

Hi sorry, I am exhausted, trans people are panicking in the country I reside. I am trying to help people and at the same time I am trying to make plans to leave the country myself with my family, as are many other trans people I know here and many more are considering it. They are scared and rightfully so. I have been reading legal documents and  related commentary six ways to sunday and  I don't have the time or energy to play internet debates in this academic dance that you seem to want to do.

I was here to warn people about what is going on in the UK.

You seem to be deliberately trying to calm people and tell them not to worry, in a situation that should legitimately be worrying. Please, people, understand that there is potential danger here. 

I have no interest in a debate with you on this. I will however say, to anyone who might read what you say and think there is not cause to panic, that as a UK resident and as someone who is very active in legal and political matters in the UK, Sarah's seems a very naive and poorly informed take. For example, she argues that Baroness Falkner who leads the EHRC, will recommend "a more nuanced position" rather than "absolute exclusion". She does this solely on the basis that Falkner said trans people "have rights and their rights must be respected". She seems to take what Falkner says at face value. Much like the religous zealots who target gay people, transphobes often present their attacks as considerate and compassionate, even when it is destructive, to give themselves cover.

Would you take Falkners statement that trans people "have rights and their rights must be respected" as an indication she will adopt a nuanced approach to her guidance on excluding them from single sex spaces, even though
- Baroness Falkner has a reputation of being very anti-trans earned in part by stating on many occassions that she believes in services seperated by biological sex.
- she had multiple staff leave the EHRC because of a culture of transphobia,
- Baroness Falkner recently stated in the interview above that hospital wards, changing rooms, toilets and sports should be seperated by biological sex.
- the UK government also state that they concur with Falkner, saying that "the basis of single sex services of all kind will be on the basis of biological sex" - Minister for Women and Equalities, the UK Government.

But sure, right, we don't know. Maybe it will be really nuanced.

I don't have the time or energy to address all your points. To be honest I am pretty sure if I did you would just keep going with the same manner of response and I don't want that and so I won't be debating you on the topic, just... people, be careful OK?

I will think twice before posting here again. I didn't think someone would be using all the debate phrases they have leared, try to pick over everything I say and and misrepresent my statements and argue every point with me.