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Trying on agender after over a decade of being ftm (nearly 27 years of life)

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Daydreaming

I have been off T for over a month but less than three.
I'm questioning my identity. Idk if it's just low T?
I came to the conclusion of wanting to start T ~16 years old. Before that I was wildly unsure but presented female not long before starting T. I went on T at 17 bc in my state of residence no parental consent is needed. I am definitely trans and have no plans of detransitioning ever (but may go off the T permanently). I tend to resist the nonbinary label but am unsure if that's just bc I never liked being "out". Genderqueer or agender feels best since I'm not both but neither/none. My gender expression usually leans masc but some days can be androgynous, slightly femme, or neutral. I like fashion and it really depends on how I'm feeling. I am not attached to my beard and shave my beard most of the time (but leave mustache and triangle of hair under lower lip alone). I have a lean/wiry body type but would start weight training if I ever stayed off T. I'm 5'5" and only craved muscle before I started "passing" whatever that means. As for pronouns I don't care. He/him and they/them are both fine. She/her is an ultimate no to this day. I'm not looking for answers but instead want to hear others' experiences with being genderqueer and/or agender. Please reply if you share some of my experiences or have any insight. This is my first time posting here. Thank you

Maid Marion

Hi Daydreaming,

Welcome!  It sounds like you want to dress androgenously and have everyone figure out that you are male and not female despite being born female at birth.

I'm not sure that this is a reasonable expectation given your height of 5ft5in and slight build.

I'm 5ft2in AMAB and would constantly be gendered female despite having a full beard!
Once by the TSA in BDL airport!

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Courtney G

I don't know how much intersection there is between our experiences but I think there is a little.

I was AMAB and wanted a female body. I especially wanted to have breasts. The idea of ridding my body of T and running on E was thrilling and still thrills me to this day, 4 years later. I waited way too long to act on my feelings and didn't come out to myself, didn't start transitioning until my 50s.

I pretty much present male in public, working hard to hide my breasts. Unlike you, I'm ok with my assigned-at-birth pronouns but I do enjoy she/her and they them. I wear bras, and wear undies that are made for women. I have a small wardrobe of female clothes and some makeup, but I rarely get to wear the stuff because I live in a more conservative area, with a lot of older folk.

But I really just "feel" like me, not like a woman or man. I wanted to fix my body and I did. Other things are in progress, like facial hair removal and trying to get an appointment for a facial feminization surgery consult. But when I compare myself to other trans women, I find my goals to be less specific and less aggressive than theirs. The "need" is less urgent and I don't really suffer for not moving forward with a specific transition plan. It's for this reason that I consider myself to be more genderqueer-leaning that anything else.

But the thing that keeps me up at night is this: would I feel differently if I passed really well? Am I toeing this middle line because I'm afraid of dealing with transitioning completely? Or am I truly ok with staying away from the sides of the binary?

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Lilis

Hey,

Reading your post, I could feel the steadiness in how you're navigating all this.

That shift you described, from a clear "I'm FTM" identity to something more fluid or open, makes total sense to me, though I've felt it from the opposite side of the spectrum (Genderfluid MTF here 😊).

I've had moments where gender stopped feeling like a single fixed point and started flowing more like a range sometimes femme, sometimes neutral, sometimes even a total masc.

It sounds like you're exploring that same kind of spaciousness in your own way.

You come across as grounded in your truth, even as you move through its shifting edges.

It's not confusion, just a deeper unfolding of who you already are inside.

Thank you for sharing this piece of your journey.

It's beautiful to witness someone giving themselves that kind of permission to just be.

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Hi Daydreaming,

I relate to some of what your experiencing. I've been on hrt for almost five months. I'm still presenting as male, but have breasts, and my shape is starting to become more feminine. I do wear a bra, and women's undies, and makeup when I'm in the mood. The only goals I had when I started HRT was finally feel comfortable in my own skin, and be slightly androgynous. I haven't achieved the androgynous goal yet, but I'm comfortable in my own skin for the most part.

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Quote from: Courtney G on October 11, 2025, 08:21:12 AMI don't know how much intersection there is between our experiences but I think there is a little.

...

But the thing that keeps me up at night is this: would I feel differently if I passed really well? Am I toeing this middle line because I'm afraid of dealing with transitioning completely? Or am I truly ok with staying away from the sides of the binary?

I am 72.  Gender Dysphoria hit full force in 2013.  That was not an easy time to be transgender here.  I really tried to start transition in 2015 (MtF).  I was not "trans enough" for the gate keepers I was dealing with, so no luck.  I tried harder in 2016, and ran into a series of unfortunate events and didn't make it then (and didn't even get a Lemony Snicket).  So I decided to be non-binary.  That was sort of all I could do.

I had a bad bout of Covid recently and was so sick my weight dropped to as low as it was at some points in 2016.  This makes me "pass" better and the interest in presenting more feminine is coming back.

It is entirely possible that over time your goals and interests relative to transition may evolve.  Each person's road is unique and their own.

HTH...


Erin

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Quote from: ErinWDK on Yesterday at 05:25:04 PMIt is entirely possible that over time your goals and interests relative to transition may evolve.  Each person's road is unique and their own.

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Hi Daydreaming

My name is Sarah and I would also like to formally, Welcome you to Susan's Place!

I see that other members of Susan's have also welcomed you as well.

How you express yourself in your day to day life is up to you and only you.  Your gender identity that you have expressed in your first post indicates that you have not settled on any identity in particular, but to me it could be genderfluid.  There are others here like Lilis, Alana, Erin and Courtney, that have shared their experiences which are similar to yours.  For me, it was a case of wanting to be female and after changing my life around and 19 years later after having surgery, that I found out that I was female.  In the long run, whatever one you settle upon it is valid.

If you decide to go off T, then I would suggest you do it within consultation with your doctor or primary care physician.

Once you feel comfortable here, it would be appreciated if you add a little bit more about yourself in the other forums and threads.  I would appreciate it very much as, I'm always interested in learning something new about new members.

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Susan

Hey Daydreaming,

Welcome to Susan's Place—and thank you for such an open, thoughtful first post.

What stands out most is how clearly you know yourself even as you explore new ground. You've lived authentically for over a decade, and now you're giving yourself permission to ask different questions. That takes real courage and self-awareness. Being confident that you're trans while re-examining what form that takes isn't a contradiction; it's a mature recognition that identity can be both steady and evolving.

Your note about resisting "nonbinary" because you've never liked being "out" rings true. Our relationship to labels is often as much about visibility, safety, and how we want to move through the world as it is about inner experience. Genderqueer and agender can honor that "neither/none" feeling you describe without demanding a spotlight if that isn't your style.

It's also valid to wonder whether hormonal changes are influencing what's coming up. Even if lower T creates more space for reflection, that doesn't make the questions any less real. Sometimes our bodies and minds need the right conditions to let us hear what's been quietly true underneath. You're not seeking to detransition; you're refining what transition means for you specifically.

The way you describe your expression—mostly masc, sometimes androgynous, slightly femme, or neutral—reads less like uncertainty and more like ease. Letting presentation follow mood rather than performing a fixed identity is often a marker of comfort. Many agender folks describe something similar: not being tethered to gendered expectations because there isn't an internal gender demanding consistency.

On "passing," after a decade on T it makes sense that the frame starts to feel strange. You're simply living in your body. The question shifts from "How am I read?" to "How do I want to inhabit the body I've shaped?" That's a different—and often more satisfying—conversation.

I also want to reflect what others have offered in the thread. Courtney G raised a question that may resonate: Is the middle ground the destination rather than a compromise? Erin noted how goals can evolve over time. Lilis described gender as flowing across a range rather than a fixed point, and Alana talked about seeking comfort and a touch of androgyny as a personal north star. Together, these perspectives echo what you're feeling: this spacious, less-defined sense of self is both real and shared, even if everyone's specifics differ.

One last affirmation: you said you're "definitely trans," and that matters. Agender is trans. Genderqueer is trans. You don't have to be binary to be "trans enough." The fact that your gender doesn't align with what you were assigned at birth is what makes you trans; exploring the particular flavor of that truth doesn't diminish it.

You're not lost—you're fine-tuning. Keep listening the way you already are. Your answers don't have to look like anyone else's, and you have every right to choose the mix of privacy, language, and expression that fits you best. I'm glad you're here, and I'm looking forward to hearing more as you explore.

Looking forward to watching your continued growth!
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