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Acceptance is more fun than passing

Started by Renate, January 27, 2008, 04:19:41 PM

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Renate

Acceptance is more fun than passing.

Being perceived as a woman and therefore being treated as a woman is mundane and obvious.

Being perceived as a transsexual and being treated as a person shows how wonderful the world can be.
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Caitlin

I'd have to agree with you on this one. Theres something more to it than just being a woman. As tough as its been living with this I think i'd probably do it all over again.

I wouldn't trade my perspective for anything and if I wasn't transgendered I wouldn't be who I am today.
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Ell

Quote from: Renate on January 27, 2008, 04:19:41 PM
Acceptance is more fun than passing.

Being perceived as a woman and therefore being treated as a woman is mundane and obvious.

Being perceived as a transsexual and being treated as a person shows how wonderful the world can be.

Let the fun begin.

Renate

Passing still has to be the holy grail, if only for the reason that your own core personality perceives you yourself as female. besides, you're close to passing anyway, if you'd just stop wearing boy-hair and tee-shirts.

-ellie

 
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lisagurl

QuoteBeing perceived as a woman and therefore being treated as a woman is mundane and obvious.

Not if you have a personality.
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Keira


Wow, Renate, why not put a hot poker up our collective asses
while your at it...  ;)

After 40 years of being less than mondane,
mondane is fine with me.
I'll leave the "extraordinary" to those who want it.
I'll get my extraordinary by climbing Everest
or get a pullitzer.
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debbie.j

Quote from: ell on January 27, 2008, 07:22:46 PM
Quote from: Renate on January 27, 2008, 04:19:41 PM
Acceptance is more fun than passing.

Being perceived as a woman and therefore being treated as a woman is mundane and obvious.

Being perceived as a transsexual and being treated as a person shows how wonderful the world can be.

Let the fun begin.

Renate

Passing still has to be the holy grail, if only for the reason that your own core personality perceives you yourself as female. besides, you're close to passing anyway, if you'd just stop wearing boy-hair and tee-shirts.

-ellie

 

Quote from: ell on January 27, 2008, 07:22:46 PM
Quote from: Renate on January 27, 2008, 04:19:41 PM
Acceptance is more fun than passing.

Being perceived as a woman and therefore being treated as a woman is mundane and obvious.

Being perceived as a transsexual and being treated as a person shows how wonderful the world can be.

Let the fun begin.

Renate
trying to keep this all in contested  here. some how  ::)


ellie i have to agree with you on this point  that you have made here


Passing still has to be the holy grail, if only for the reason that your own core personality perceives you yourself as female.










Passing still has to be the holy grail, if only for the reason that your own core personality perceives you yourself as female. besides, you're close to passing anyway, if you'd just stop wearing boy-hair and tee-shirts.

-ellie

 

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tinkerbell

Personally I think it is a combination of both.  In order for someone to accept us as something, they have to perceive us as that "something", no?

tink :icon_chick:
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debbie.j

Quote from: Tink on January 27, 2008, 09:22:47 PM
Personally I think it is a combination of both.  In order for someone to accept us as something, they have to perceive us as that "something", no?

tink :icon_chick:

indeed tink indeed thus so yes
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Berliegh

Quote from: Renate on January 27, 2008, 04:19:41 PM
Hi all:

Acceptance is more fun than passing.

Being perceived as a woman and therefore being treated as a woman is mundane and obvious.

Being perceived as a transsexual and being treated as a person shows how wonderful the world can be.

Let the fun begin.

Renate

I totally disagree with that statement Renate ......I would never want to be percieved as a transsexual when I'm out doing my shopping thank you very much...
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fluffy jorgen

what's the point of passing when they come to talk to you/ know you, they find out and mistreat you anyway?
or have i misunderstood again?
i see where some of you're coming from, at least you're seen as you appearance-wise.
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Berliegh

Quote from: fluffy jorgen on January 28, 2008, 07:54:03 AM
what's the point of passing when they come to talk to you/ know you, they find out and mistreat you anyway?
or have i misunderstood again?
i see where some of you're coming from, at least you're seen as you appearance-wise.

How would they find out?
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fluffy jorgen

Quote from: Berliegh on January 28, 2008, 10:44:08 AM
Quote from: fluffy jorgen on January 28, 2008, 07:54:03 AM
what's the point of passing when they come to talk to you/ know you, they find out and mistreat you anyway?
or have i misunderstood again?
i see where some of you're coming from, at least you're seen as you appearance-wise.

How would they find out?

i must have misunderstood then. lol.
no i meant there are more senses than just sight.
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Berliegh

Quote from: fluffy jorgen on January 28, 2008, 03:58:22 PM
Quote from: Berliegh on January 28, 2008, 10:44:08 AM
Quote from: fluffy jorgen on January 28, 2008, 07:54:03 AM
what's the point of passing when they come to talk to you/ know you, they find out and mistreat you anyway?
or have i misunderstood again?
i see where some of you're coming from, at least you're seen as you appearance-wise.

How would they find out?

i must have misunderstood then. lol.
no i meant there are more senses than just sight.

That's true....I've seen some stunning Transsexuals but as soon as they open their mouth they sound like a bloke and the whole thing is lost......also some mannerisms can be picked up on quite easily......

I've been very lucky with my voice which is very female sounding...
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SarahFaceDoom

Acceptance is really awesome.  Passing makes me so paranoid sometimes.  When I'm accepted I don't even really think about my gender and how others perceive it.  I am taken and loved for who I am.  And that's awesome.

I think as human beings, acceptance is a huge thing.  We're all trying to get acceptance, trans or not.
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tekla

Given being accepted, or living a lie, I'll take the first option.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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debbie.j

sara and  tekla you both made a very good point here and i have to agree with you on this
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gothique11

Some people know I'm trans, others don't, and some don't believe me. So, I get it from several sides. There are old friends in my life, of course, who know about me. And they accept me and see me as a women, despite knowing my past. Although, oddly enough, people are having a hard time remembering the old me -- and I must admit, I'm having a hard time remembering myself or thinking of myself ever being a boy. The weirdest thing is running into old group photos of myself and not realizing at first that the guy in the picture was me once before. I look so different. It's weird. I actually ran into an old co-worker and started talking to her like nothing changed, and it took her almost five minutes to figure out who I was -- she hasn't seen me in almost a year! I've had that happen a few times with people that I don't see often.

As for being trans, I rarely talk about it these days, except for on my vlogs (but it's not always the main subject). I just usually don't think about having a transexual condition. *shrugs* And the topic is worn out and passe with my friends, so we don't talk about it much. So, even being trans can be mundane. LOL

As for people who don't know, it's fine as well, because I'm pretty much treated the same. People just seem me as who I am, no matter if they know my past or not. Although, when some people find out it's a mind trip. I've told some people who just don't believe me, no matter what I say. So, I usually just go with the flow, don't worry about it, and just let people get to know me for my personality, who I am. I find either way, I'm at the point were people just treat me as myself.

--natalie
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cindybc

Hey Nat, In the town where I transitioned and lived as Cindy for 8 years, It would have been hard to find any other trans folks in that small town. I got along with and I loved all the folks in that town though. not a soul ever gave me a hard time about anything. I do believe though as you have said yourself that the folks there, even though they all knew who I was they would have found it difficult to remember what I looked like in my former life.

I can also quite agree with you about back when I was a kid, back from earliest childhood up to as far as my mid twenties  I can't imagine that this kid growing up back then was any thing else but a girl. I already knew instinctively who I was, just had no one I could trust enough to confide in about it. It wouldn't be until years later before I would even hear of the word transsexual. I believe my mom knew and I do quite remember clearly when she use to refer to me as berdach on different occasions, she would refer to me as her little berdach in front of her friends.  I knew what the word meant and that word was the only one I could identify with back then. My feelings, my thoughts, my attitude, and my character just never fit the role of being a boy. So the girl within has always been with me. I really don't have to worry about being identified here in Vancouver as anything else then whom I present, an aging hippy lady. but don't let the age fool you I can still dance circles around another half my age. "Hee, hee, hee."

Heck I am only just starting to get used to the vibrations of some of the people here, but I am beginning to discover that there is not all that much difference in the folks here then the folks I knew in Midland Ontario, just more of them. As for hanging out with other TS's, it would have been kind of difficult to find any where I came from, but I met a few here. Well Nat if you know me, most of them are young enough to be my kids, I wish I could adopt some of them.  ;D

Anyway that's about enough prattling from me.

Yes I also want to let you also know that your entire perspective on things has really improved since the first time I met you on this board, just keep on doing what ever it is your doing..

Cindy
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Berliegh

Re: Acceptance is more fun than passing

The above statement doesn't make sense.....

if you pass then you are accepted...if you don't pass you are not accepted.....therefor it's much better to pass....
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cindybc

Hi Berleigh I have corrected the error in the first paragraph if that is what you were referring to.

Cindy
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