TS & TG - please help...

[Kimberly]

"genderqueer", also called "Bi-gender", a term I like better, is simply no clear identification of male or female. Usually from what I have seen both identities are present, however sometimes neither are. (from what I have read, mind)

• A TS has a clear identification of Female.
• A CD has a clear identification of Male. (Or Female wearing male clothing but this (american) society is weird)
• A Bi-gender does NOT have a clear identification of either Male or Female.

From what I understand, for what it is worth.

P.s. I also vote for a continuation in this thread

[stephanie_craxford]

Soooooooooooooooo....

Back by popular demand....

Considerthe thread continued

Steph.

[michelle]

Reflecting upon my own life, I was born with male body parts, and therefore I was socialized to be a male.   I was the oldest child.   I was not a reckless as a child.   Some of my early playmates were girls but lifes circumstances broke up most of my early friendships with other children.  Moving and the one girl's mother died.   I liked to play outside but I was just me a child.   Gender was not an issue.  I would play with either boys or girls, but miss the lost friendships with the the girls the most.  There was not much opportunity for me to crossdress,  because while I lived at home in the 1940s to 1960s my parents bedroom was off limits.   My parents did not leave there cloths laying around and my mother was always home.   There was one time I found a dress way back in this long walking closet when I was in the third or fourth grade and enjoyed putting it on, but it soon disappeared.   My feeling of femininity began when I was thirteen and the male hormones kicked in.   Then over time some how developing a woman's body became a constant fantacy.   I had been sheltered and not seen any naked women, not even my mother but some how understood that it mean getting breasts and loosing my penus.   Over time the feminine feelings have grown stronger and stronger.  The struggle still continues between my early male socialization and my feminine gender idenity.   I sort of remain detached from life and only the feelings that I identify as feminine feel real.   

Putting my experience into too many categories does not help me sort it out.  Each category has its own set of life style expectations, social rules,  and expected rules of conduct.  Some people use define these roles in a broad spectrum and some people define these roles in a vary narrow spectrum.   I have always been a fish out of water or a small round hole trying to circumscribe a large triangular peg.     I am who I need to be at work and I am myself at home.   I am not trying to get off topic but look at the issue from a third side.  The side of feelings that come from life's experience.

[umop ap!sdn]

...I was just me a child.   Gender was not an issue. 

 My feeling of femininity began when I was thirteen and the male hormones kicked in.   Then over time some how developing a woman's body became a constant fantacy. 

So I'm not the only one.

Same here about the conflict between socialization and identity - there is a lot to overcome. In my case, even with supportive parents, it isn't easy to break the old habit of trying to be a "son" to them.

[michelle]

I realize that clarification was called for,  and I maybe just mudding the water.   But my point is life is what we think about it.  Some times it depends upon the intial question.   I have chosen the tag of MtoF.   Then just recently the question popped into my mind,  "What made me think that I was male?"  What right did I have to call myself a male?  Did male genitialia, the y- chromosome, testosterone,  make me male?  "Not,"  the male ego just didn't show.   I remember Mom shouting at me, "Be, a man. Fight."  The man didn't show.  The male socialization and male dress just became a chrysalis within which this girl hid for 53 years looking out at the world through a small tear in the surface.   But my question now becomes how can I say I am male to female,  when the male never showed up,  inspite of the biology of the body.   I was simply a female with physical male characteristics.

[Mario]

I AGREE WITH STEPHINE ON THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

               Marco