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Started by Nero, March 06, 2008, 12:28:21 PM

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Nero

I'm inexperienced with girls. Never had a girlfriend or any real female friends. All the times I've kissed, hugged, touched, was intimate with girls, they initiated it.

I can't even talk to them face-to-face. I get nervous and clam up, and sound like some pathetic little kid around them. Seriously.

So uh, I know a lot of you straight guys have all the experience with the ladies, so any advice for super-smooth Nero?   ::)
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Alyssa M.

 :laugh:

Sorry, I just can't help but laugh!

Ummm... I've got nothing for you. But don't beat yourself up about it. You sound like a lot of most guys I know. ;)
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

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ConfusedMichelle

Well, Nero.  I can't really say I flirt with the girls.  Although drunken moments happen lol.

But, before I was taken, I did hit on my fair share of gay guys, so I guess it's kinda the same concept?  :laugh:

Just be confident.  Girls like that.  How?  Before approaching a girl, take a few deep breaths and think "I'm sexy, I'm cool, I'm brave." Do something simple, introduce yourself!  Be sure to smile a lot.  Just say something like "Hi there, what's your name?" or when then approach you, be cool and be yourself.  Don't tense up, just let the conversation flow.  Just be sure to not say something awkward.

I hope this helped a little, anything specific you need help on?
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Nero

Quote from: Brady on March 06, 2008, 04:11:22 PM
But, before I was taken, I did hit on my fair share of gay guys, so I guess it's kinda the same concept?  :laugh:


LOL I don't know. Is hitting on a gay guy anything like hitting on a girl?
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Patroklos

Quote from: Nero on March 06, 2008, 04:23:29 PM
LOL I don't know. Is hitting on a gay guy anything like hitting on a girl?
No! XD It's not really the same at all. You can't just walk up to a guy, even if you know he's gay, and hit on him.. unless maybe you're at a gay bar.

However, as far as tips go, the best one is obviously to be yourself. Unless, of course, you want to be someone else. XD
I tend to alternate between being very forward and very ambiguous. It makes them very curious and they tend to "tag along" just to figure me out. I never say something like "I think you're pretty" but rather insinuate that I might think that about her and she imagines the rest. It's quite fun but you have to be pretty quick on your toes with conversation.

Actually, if it's the nervousness factor that you're really worried about, just remember that girls really like to talk and be listened to. Try just relaxing and letting her talk for a while. Make occasional, non-judgmental comments and she'll feel great. Girls always appreciate good listeners.
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Ms Jessica

So, um, hi.  I hope I'm not invading anyone's space by posting here since I'm MtF.  Anyway, as a guy (or at least a not-quite-ex-guy) with some experience in this matter, I might be able to help.  Is that weird? 

Anyway, the advice to be yourself is great.  A good personality will always show through.  You don't want to be too open right up front, though.  A mysterious guy is a desirable guy.  Always worked for me.  Don't lie or deliberately hid things, just don't tell her your life story in the first five minutes. 

Second is confidence.  It doesn't have to be genuine.  At least not at first.  You can get away pretending to be confident.  Once you get better at pretending, you'll realize you aren't pretending anymore.  You have to act confident to be confident.  It's sort of like the difference between knowing the path and walking the path, Neo. 

Personally, try something unexpected once in a while.  It can work.  If there's a girl working the cash register at a bookstore and she wants to upsell, ask if her number comes with it.  I did that once and had to pay $10 for a girl's number, but we went out for about a year and a half.  And it was a good year and a half.  I'm not saying this will work all the time, but it's worth a try.  The worst that happens is that you embarrass yourself.  The very worst.  And even when that happens, the odds of ever seeing that person again are slim, even if you shop there regularly. 
Now if you act confident while doing this, even a rejection isn't embarrassing.  She might say something like "I've got a boyfriend." and instead of stuttering and looking like a jackass, you let it roll off you like water on a duck.  You say, "Too bad" or something like that.  Finish up, play it cool, and end with something like "See ya 'round".  Easy.  Don't look let down, or bummed out or whatever if you get rejected.  Above all, stay civil, stay cool.  Easy.   Think cool.  It's the difference between Brad Pitt and Edward Norton in Fight Club. 

Other things that always worked well-- let the girl do the talking.  People love to talk about themselves.  Ask a few questions and instead of being a non-talker and boring you become a great conversationalist.  It's all in the perception.  Ask how long she's worked wherever.  Does she like the job?  Who's the biggest jerk she works with?  What's the lamest thing a customer has ever done?  People have tons of stories like this.  It keeps things moving what nary a lull in the conversation.  Let the conversation direct your questioning.  Easy.  Lots of eye contact helps.  If she's cute, this one's a piece of cake. 

Just like voice training, there's several things that you might need to adjust.  It's best to work on doing only one or two things at a time until they become more natural otherwise you'll just feel overwhelmed.  I'd recommend working on confidence first.  It's going to be the first thing she'll notice. 

Of course there's no substitute for the experience of actually going out and talking to a real girl, so get out there.  You are bound to be rejected, but that will only get to you if you let it. 
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tekla

John Derek, who was married to Ursula Anderews, Linda Evans and Bo Derek (after being married to some Russian princess I think) knew something about women I would think.  The fact that Ursula, Linda and Bo all say nothing but good things about him, also seems special.  When asked what made John so attractive Linda once told an interviewer: "When you are with him he makes you feel like you are the only woman in the world."  That seems a good start.

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saraswatidevi

The advice to be yourself is good but hard to do when you have spent many years feeling like yourself is not adequate. My advice is to tell any potential girl friend that you are shy around girls. That gives her an opportunity to reassure you and get closer.
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ConfusedMichelle

lol yeah it's the same at a gay bar. As for out and about, just introduce yourself and if she seems interested, keep talking to her, esp. if she seems like an interesting person!

If yalls conversation goes well, casually tell her that you enjoy her company and would love to take her out to lunch (it's less casual than dinner) and see how that goes.
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Christo

Quote from: Nero on March 06, 2008, 12:28:21 PM
So uh, I know a lot of you straight guys have all the experience with the ladies, so any advice for super-smooth Nero?   ::)

:laugh: kinda :laugh: ;)

Quote from: Chris on October 06, 2007, 02:58:48 AM

u gotta treat ladies with love & make them feel like a queen.  u treat them like a lady. make them feel special.  u treat them like a woman 'cause thats what they are.  u treat them like females 'because women like to be female in the bedroom.  but u treat them w/love all the time. no matter where.

u gotta be up front bout it dude. ;)  give her some flowers for da first date. be sweet. respect her & show her u care. 
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Wing Walker

Quote from: Nero on March 06, 2008, 12:28:21 PM
I'm inexperienced with girls. Never had a girlfriend or any real female friends. All the times I've kissed, hugged, touched, was intimate with girls, they initiated it.

I can't even talk to them face-to-face. I get nervous and clam up, and sound like some pathetic little kid around them. Seriously.

So uh, I know a lot of you straight guys have all the experience with the ladies, so any advice for super-smooth Nero?   ::)

Nero, are you on the level with this question? 

Wing Walker
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jet3

hey dude. Girls are difficult lol but lets see if i can help you out at all. If you see a girl you are interested in, whatever you do, dont be overbearing. Just try to be chill. If a girl thinks you come on to strong it will be a turn off. Its always good if you can make her laugh, dont be TO funny, just throw in one or two things to get her to laugh a little bit. Girls like when a dude can make them laugh but be serious at the same time. It is really important not to seem desperate when you approach a girl. Try to start it off as casual as possible. once you talk to her for a little bit watch her body language. You will be able to tell if she is feeling you or not. Once you can tell she is, then you can flirt a little harder and make it more known that you are into her. If everything is going good ask her for her number, but make sure you are chill about it, just be like hey you should let me get your number, maybe we can kick it sometime. If she gives it you say something like, sweet i'll hit you up. but dont let her think it is that big of a deal, because it will make you seem desperate. The main thing is, make sure you stay chill as possible, even if you feel nervous on the inside, stay composed so you dont look nervous on the outside.  And be confident, that is VERY important. it might be hard but its important. The better things go the more confidence you will gain. thats about it though, good luck dude, hope i was a little bit of help.
JET
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Patroklos

Quote from: Jessica L. on March 06, 2008, 06:09:15 PM
It's sort of like the difference between knowing the path and walking the path, Neo.

You win 10 internets. Matrix=<3
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tekla

I love how girls get grouped as some sort of monolith, with one set of notions and ideals, and one set of rules that work.  Ahh, if either sex was that easy.
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Patroklos

Well, perhaps I shouldn't admit this but I've found little variation in the actual psyche of women. Personality, interests, yes, but not psyche.

Edit: Same goes for men. That wasn't meant as a cut.
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tekla

I didn't take it that way, it was more a comment on the 'one size fits all' ideal. 
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Ms Jessica

Quote from: Milo on March 07, 2008, 01:04:24 PM
Quote from: Jessica L. on March 06, 2008, 06:09:15 PM
It's sort of like the difference between knowing the path and walking the path, Neo.

You win 10 internets. Matrix=<3

Sweet!  :)
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