Injections vs. Pills

[LynnER]

Injections and patches are about the same...

One can cause bad rashes and skin conditions, the other has a slight risk of infection due to the needle... and if injected directly into a vein could seriously harm you...

Diffrence between the two.... COST...  Injections cost less than patches... and generaly cost less than pills or tabs... 

Remember, when working out your HRT setup... consider the pros and cons of what ever your doing... There is no one right way... just what your willing to risk.

[Beyond]

Just to throw another idea out there...

My physician has me on transdermal patches instead of injections and pills.  The patches do the same thing as the injections - bypass some of the damage to the liver.  The advantage over the injections is that they are painless.  Plus, the blood-serium levels of estradiol through the patches further reduce the potential for blood clots.

I started on patches, but adherency quickly became an issue.  Not to mention how freakin' expensive they are.  So I switched to injectables.  One shot every 14 days and that's it.  Not pills to remember to take and nothing to fall off.  Works for me.

[Tanya1]

someone kidnap an endo and make him/her come on here fulltime for 3 weeks to satisfy all our questions before release!

LOL

I'm actaully thinking about becoming one

[Berliegh]

Can someone list the various forms of injectable hormones for me please?

I have only ever been on pills and patches for over 10 years and think injectables may work better. In the U.K injectables are not widely used but I feel I need to try them to see if they will improve my fat re-distribution.

[cindybc]

Speaking of fat redistribution as Keira was suggesting a while back that the fat in the case of a trans person will tend to remain behind the stomach. Hey, I don't want to go around looking like a pregnant Hobbit. Anyway Keira suggested exercise, especially walking. I have been walking about a mile or so every day and it is already showing results. Good I just want to have a normal waist again.

Cindy   

[Berliegh]

Can someone list the various forms of injectable hormones for me please?

I have only ever been on pills and patches for over 10 years and think injectables may work better. In the U.K injectables are not widely used but I feel I need to try them to see if they will improve my fat re-distribution.

Can a list be made of the various injectable hormones that are presently available? Or what individials find works best for them and what they might recommend?

[Kate]

the other has a slight risk of infection due to the needle... and if injected directly into a vein could seriously harm you...

Exactly why my doctor refused me injections.

I'm happy he did actually, as I don't like the idea of my E levels fluctuating so much between injections. I've never had a problem with patches falling off, or rashes, etc., so I really love 'em

~Kate~

[cindybc]

I been on injectables for the past four years and haven't felt that much of a fluctuation between shots. I may sometimes have lower moods a couple of days before injection time. But maybe that just as well to take a break from my silly sense of humor for those couple of ays.

Cindy

[Berliegh]

I been on injectables for the past four years and haven't felt that much of a fluctuation between shots. I may sometimes have lower moods a couple of days before injection time. But maybe that just as well to take a break from my silly sense of humor for those couple of ays.

Cindy

I would still like the opportunity to try them..

[Beyond]

One can cause bad rashes and skin conditions, the other has a slight risk of infection due to the needle... and if injected directly into a vein could seriously harm you...

Don't know how I missed this.

This is another lie doctor tell you.  Again they believe that we will all become addicts if given syringes.  Can you say stereotype?

When you are taught how to inject, one of the steps is to aspirate, that is to pull back on the plunger, before injecting.  If you are in a blood vessel (artery or vein) you will see blood in the syring during aspiration.  You simply pull out and try again.  This isn't rocket science folks.  Some doctors are old school and simply won't trust anyone with syringes.  Despite the fact they are very safe, effective (good results ing eneral) and inexpensive (from a compounding pharmacy).

Don't believe the myths and lies out there.  me-health care worker.


Edit: Also wanted to add my experiences over the last 4 years of using injectables are the same as Cindy's.

[cindybc]

Hi Beyond
Me just a social worker, just wanted to thank you for the validation. Well I was a social worker for twenty year before I got retired. Since I am the type that just can't stop doing stuff, especially working with people I just simply went out and created my own work. My partner and I  have opened and run a drop in center and support group for Trans folks. We will also be working with Trans girls that work the streets.

Cindy

[Berliegh]

Can someone list the various forms of injectable estrogen hormones for me please?

[Beyond]

Can someone list the various forms of injectable estrogen hormones for me please?

At the risk of having my post redacted AGAIN:

First you have to know that estradiol valerate (bioidentical 17 beta estradiol) vials come in various strengths (admin I said strengths, not dosages, those are 2  different things!):

10mg/ml
20mg/ml
40mg/ml

Most folks I know use the 40mg/ml.  This is because we need higher doses than natal folks.  Can't really say anything else about dosages without being censored. 

You can get EV (estrogen valerate) from either a commercial pharmacy or a compounding pharmacy.  I'm not sure how things work in the UK.  Here in the US commercial pharmarcies charge an arm and a leg for a vial of EV.  Compounding pharmacies on the other hand charge MUCH less.  But BOTH require a prescription.


I wish I could say more, but the powers that be won't allow that.

[Berliegh]

Can someone list the various forms of injectable estrogen hormones for me please?

At the risk of having my post redacted AGAIN:

First you have to know that estradiol valerate (bioidentical 17 beta estradiol) vials come in various strengths (admin I said strengths, not dosages, those are 2  different things!):

10mg/ml
20mg/ml
40mg/ml

Most folks I know use the 40mg/ml.  This is because we need higher doses than natal folks.  Can't really say anything else about dosages without being censored. 


I wish I could say more, but the powers that be won't allow that.

So in the whole of the U.S.A there is only ONE injectable form of HRT?

It seems strange as there are a lot of different types of pills and patches available...

[Beyond]

So in the whole of the U.S.A there is only ONE injectable form of HRT?

It seems strange as there are a lot of different types of pills and patches available...

No, but it is by far the most common.  And in my opinion the best.  There are different brands and what-not, but EV is EV no matter what name the manufacturer calls it.  By the way most patches use ...... 17 beta estradiol, which is what EV is.  Pills that are bioidentical use.... 17 beta estradiol.  In contrast "conjugated estrogen" is NOT bioidentical, in fact they are made from horse estrogens.  The most common brand name (of conjugated estrogen) is derived from the following words:

PREgnant MARes uRINe.


So the lesson here is to know what kind of estrogen are you getting.  Are you getting bioidentical 17 beta estradiol (identical to human that is) estrogen OR something else (horse)?


Better stop for now......

[cindybc]

Hi Lynner.

LynnER would hiss and crawl back under the covers and glare from the safety of the nest...

"Hee, hee, hee." Coincidence? I have this little imaginary critter, looks like Lady Amarant's pussy cat avatar. His name is Sparkly. He's nice little critter, but when things get tense he goes and hides under his rock, then all you can see, is these two little eyeballs blinking in the darkness under the rock.

Sparkly and Cindy

[Berliegh]

So in the whole of the U.S.A there is only ONE injectable form of HRT?

It seems strange as there are a lot of different types of pills and patches available...

No, but it is by far the most common.  And in my opinion the best.  There are different brands and what-not, but EV is EV no matter what name the manufacturer calls it.  By the way most patches use ...... 17 beta estradiol, which is what EV is.  Pills that are bioidentical use.... 17 beta estradiol.  In contrast "conjugated estrogen" is NOT bioidentical, in fact they are made from horse estrogens.  The most common brand name (of conjugated estrogen) is derived from the following words:

PREgnant MARes uRINe.


So the lesson here is to know what kind of estrogen are you getting.  Are you getting bioidentical 17 beta estradiol (identical to human that is) estrogen OR something else (horse)?


Better stop for now......

Yea, we have that over here in tablet form called 'Premarin'. It was the first one I started on in 1997.

What I'm really looking for a list of 'injectable HRT' that may be available i.e..... 1. 2. 3. etc...

[cindybc]

Regarding Sparkly and Cindy, well I love playing imaginary games always have, wrote six children's books. I might be Transexual but but terminal brain numbness I am not. Now this radio station CLBQ will be returning to it's normal broadcasting.

Cindy

[Tanya1]

One can cause bad rashes and skin conditions, the other has a slight risk of infection due to the needle... and if injected directly into a vein could seriously harm you...

This is another lie doctor tell you.  Again they believe that we will all become addicts if given syringes.  Can you say stereotype?

Yes, that's just ignorance. ANYONE can overdose on patches or pills easily. It's not like syringes is they only possible way to become addicts.
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Here's a famous quote from Freud "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"

Syringes are often given the notion of being used to inject hard drugs when you see people abusing drugs. But syringes aren't only used for those purposes which doctors and others may relate too.

Same thing with a cigar. A Cigar is just filled up tobocca BUT it's often given off as a symbol of power, wealth and confidence unconsciously. Most people when smoking a cigar INTEND to give off a image.

-PS.. if your going to use needles- DON'T Share them and use clean needles always!

[Berliegh]

I give up......