Then they take a piece of your colon and...

[lady amarant]

So, been doing some research, and as far as I can tell, Pretoria Academic is the only hospital in South Africa that actually does SRS. Now, they are fairly well regarded (though I also go by "never trust what a patient says about their shrink) and if you're one of the lucky 4 a year that get picked, your surgery happens for the grand total of about $50.

HOWEVER,

They do that procedure where they use part of your small-intestine or colon or some such thing to create vaginal depth. And that just freaks me out. I mean, especially from the point of view of perhaps wanting to take up an active lifestyle again later on, this just seems way too dangerous and invasive when compared to penile inversion and the like.

So, can anybody tell me whether it's even worth trying to get into the program, or should I just start eating baked beans on toast until I have enough to go to Thailand with?

[soldierjane]

I'd recommend the baked beans. The colon procedure doesn't have a lot of adherents and is not as perfected as the inversion one, with which you can acquire optimum depth provided you "exercise" or at least dilate.
I've also heard the colon method is more prone to infection. If you're going to spend on anything in your life, your meow is worth saving money for.

[lady amarant]

My feeling on the matter as well.

Sigh. At least most brands of baked beans are vegan-friendly these days...

[cindianna_jones]

The colon method was developed at Stanford in California I believe.  I met a couple of patients who had this procedure back in the late 80's when I was figuring out what to do.  Had I the money, I would have done it. The results looked good (from my limited experience looking at such things) their depth was very good, and the tissue was self lubricating.  I decided to go with Dr. Biber because the fees were substantially lower and I could wait no longer. It was all I could do to raise those funds required at the time.  Stanford would have cost me 250 percent more.

I would not necessarily dismiss this procedure.  I believe the reason that it is not done so much these days is that it is more complicated and as such requires more medical resources at the time of surgery.  You may not have to deal with skin grafts which can be painful and leave scars or marks for some time.

I believe the end result could be viewed as superior to the inversion technique.

I'm sorry to go against the trend here, but I honestly believe that the procedure is very viable.

Cindi

[lady amarant]

Hmmm. Thanks Cindi. You raise an interesting point. My biggest concern is how much it would impact on one's overall ability to function actively. I know breast-implants, for example, are out of the question if I want to do anything more than get on a treadmill really, and I was just wondering how much risk such an invasive technique would add of tearing things that don't need to be torn.

[Nero]

I've heard that the uh 'lube' and cum a 'colon meow' produces is rank. I'd pass, darlin.

[Audrey]

My therapist told me that using this technique isn't ideal as the blood supply to the end part of the neovagina is cut off and that the tissue can die causing the vagina to well do bad things.  He explained that the scrotal tissue is ideal because it is already a "culdesack" so to speak.

Audrey

[tinkerbell]

It's called a sigmoid vaginoplasty.  Usually they perform this kind of surgery as a revision when the vaginal cavity doesn't have enough depth after the initial operation.  No thank you.  I don't recommend it!  why? because I have heard that you are constantly "moist" down there and that "strange odors" contaminate the ambiance.

I think that the best way to achieve additional depth of the neo-vagina is by skin grafts from other parts of the body not your colon.  True it is a more expensive and extensive procedure but better in the long run IMO.

tink

[Lin]

In another forum I read that someone from Australia said she had penile inversion srs and got a vagina depth of around 4"-5", and now she is planning to have a colon procdure revision surgry to get a deeper vagina cavity... I just doubt if she really needs to take the risk, suffer more pain and leave a scar on stomach just for gaining probably 1-2inches deeper?! However, she said it was her surgeon (in Australia) recommended to do that...

[Audrey]

....of course they recommended it, they'll get paid.

Audrey

[kirakero]

Audrey is right.  Additionally...  I'd see it as lucky if they got even one more inch.  The risk for this far far outweighs the benefits.  It's like she's going for "deepest vagina" record... Which is a no no.  We don't need "vaginal depth" contests like penis length contests.  Blech.

[Lin]

....of course they recommended it, they'll get paid.

Audrey

That's exactly what I was going to say...

Posted on: March 12, 2008, 03:44:19 PM

... We don't need "vaginal depth" contests like penis length contests.  Blech.

Sorry, if I say... this sentence is perfect for those Dr. Suxxx's girls! 

[Nero]

Thing is - I hear all this about 'depth' and as a natal female, I'm not so deep. Sure, it'd be nice, but not every female can accomodate well-endowed men.

[Pica Pica]

(congratulations on the second most off putting thread title i have seen  )

[lady amarant]

(congratulations on the second most off putting thread title i have seen  )

I aim to please  ... what's the first?

[Pica Pica]

vagino rectal leisures or something

[Hazumu]

...that's 'fistulas', Pica...

( >) =K

[Beyond]

Thing is - I hear all this about 'depth' and as a natal female, I'm not so deep. Sure, it'd be nice, but not every female can accomodate well-endowed men.

Nero,

From a parallel thread:

NOTE: Natal womans vagina's range from 3 to 4 inches when flacid; HOWEVER unlike US, when aroused their vagina's lengthen by 150 to 200 percent, whereas ours are pretty much a fixed length ie depth.

That's why depth is important.

Posted on: March 20, 2008, 06:59:12 AM

I've heard that the uh 'lube' and cum a 'colon meow' produces is rank. I'd pass, darlin.

This is true.  However, the people I've heard speak about it say that the smell subsides after about a year.  But I've also heard that in some cases the self-lubrication can be too much, meaning they have to use pads for the rest of their life.  For me the other factor I don't like is messing with the bowel.  I'd rather not involve a whole 'nother system and complicate my surgery even more.  So although dilation is a chore, I know penile inversion made my recovery much, much faster.

[jade]

I am not a fan of colovaginoplasty, so i do not believe everybody should choose this method unless they have to but yes in my case my surgeon and I thought it was in my best interest at the time.

Yes, you do get a fine horizontal scar on your bikini line.
Yes, the colon does provide good depth
Yes, the lube can become smelly if you do not regularly douche.
No, you do not have to wear incontinence pads for the rest of your life.
(Excessive lubrication becomes reduced over time; if not, they can cut a nerve which is a minor thing and it stops that problem)
No, you don't necessarily get infections. (I knew someone who had the inversion method and she had to deal with infections all the time)

Having said that, the inversion technique also has risks like the tendency of tissue to shrink (which causes loss of depth and width), fistulas, durability (?) and prolapse.

[Mister]

I'm guessing that in a sigmoid colon vaginoplasty, they use your sigmoid colon.  your colon is not part of your large or small intestines, it's your colon- with it's own name and everything.