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The ethics of advice on DIY.

Started by lady amarant, March 17, 2008, 05:45:23 AM

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Annwyn

Anyone who's got the guts to walk into a therapists office and say that he/she is the wrong gender and wants to fix it should also be able to get on hormones.  TYLENOL has friggin side effects, but I don't have to go through 6 months of therapy for that.  Hell, dextromethorphan, asprin, corcidin, and some really bad ones like Alli(weight loss) and Yohimbe don't even NEED a prescription and are much ,much worse than HRT.

The system is messed up.

I'm protesting via boycott and passive agressive display of defiance.

The end.
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Keira


Dawn, I feel you're tone is insulting OK,.
Your response is as much your opinion
and much more categoric than your
answers warrant

All the things I said reduce the risk to quasi zero
taken as a whole. So, going after them individually
makes no sense.

The chinese whisper crack is extremely condescending,
you don't know me, I could be a medical researcher for
all you know.

You answer, by the way clearly shows
that you don't know what your talking about. There's
plenty of solid information backed by studies and practice
online, in particular one forum which I'm not going to
point to because its against this forum's policy.

There 100 times more risks from smoking or drinking
or even eating trans fats every day,
there's hundreds of disease linked to obesity
and more are found every day,
so hey, are you going to put a
doctor in front of every taco joint or bar.

Risks are relative to others.
Everything has a risk.
That's how you deal with risks one against the other,
not trying to reduce all risks to zero, or giving
some risks some mythical quality regardless
of their number.

All of these things alone would not be alone would mean nothing, but put together
will make it relatively safe. There are no absolutes.

If you give sky diving or climbing equipment to someone
who wants to start in both sports
what are the ethics of that? Both are more risky than HRT for sure.

If someone is not willing to go to a regular doctor, why do you think they'll
want to subject themselves to dozens of psychologists sessions they can't  afford
or don't want for whatever reason to get to this elusive letter.
BTW, I've dealt with hundreds of DIYer online and in real life in the last 15 years (that's
how long I've been in therapy by the way) and at least half eventually get to a doctor,
because there are other reasons for going to the doctor besides DIY and you'll
have to face him eventually if you want regular health care.

As for the reversibility of HRT, all but potential sterility are absolutely reversible (breasts may need to be taken out with surgery, but that's still reversible). Sterility itself is not assured
(some had a child after years while still on HRT!) nor absolute, its possible that your sperm count will not go back to what it was before, but even if its very low, its still possible to procreate with assisted means (just not in the natural way).

There's reality that many DIY eventually drift "in the system". I've known plenty of those too.
They just didn't want to deal with the medicalisation of the first step. I feel myself that





Posted on: March 18, 2008, 08:22:19 AM

While the SOC may say there is a fast track.
I've talked to enough people to know that in reality, at least in Montreal
in the public sector (which is the only one poor people would be able to afford)
you have to wait a very very long time for hormones no matter how
well adjusted and certain you are that you want them.

Private care is too expensive for A LOT OF PEOPLE.
and that's the only way to get HRT in 3 months around here.

What I hate is dogma.

The fact that TS is medicalised at all is a sad obligation because we
need access to HRT and surgery. So, it is to protect the doctor
and patient or they'd give your the letters right away. I can
get 20 operations on my face which will make me look like someone else
but need letters to get HRT? Not logical is it...






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dawn

I sincerely did not mean to be condescending or insulting, but i atleast attempted to attack the points.

QuoteYou answer, by the way clearly shows
that you don't know what your talking about
You are clearly neither attacking my post nor the issues in this thread.
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lisagurl

I do not think it is a matter of ethics. Anyone coming to Internet forum for advice of DIY hormones lacks the knowledge and good sense of keeping themselves alive. Then again people do all sorts of things knowingly to destroy themselves. I sure would not want to be a party to helping someone hurt themselves.
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Keira


Dawn, you clearly attacked me
all your responses dripped sarcasm.
What would be the point of going into details
I can't do it on this forum anyway.

I said you clearly don't know what your talking about
because you seem to be spouting dogma
rather than looking at facts.
The facts are the risks are relatively low,
the reason, HRT now uses the same hormones as in
50% of humanity. The risks are different from having
T in your body, but that doesn't make them high.
T has it own sets of risks.

BTW, I am followed by my own doctor.
I have been in therapy for a long time
and I've been involved in the millieu
medicalised or not, to have a very
good idea of both sides of the equation.

Discounting with a hand wave is not an argument.

Its stridency I am against. I'm tired of it.

That's all, I'm not answering here again because I'm not
going to change your mind and your sarcasm won't
change mine.

So, hey.
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Sarah Louise

The arguements here seem to be going in circles and getting too personal.

Therefore, I am locking the topic for a day.

Sarah L.

Posted on: March 18, 2008, 07:59:28 AM
I am unlocking this topic.

If things get out of hand again I will lock and or delete it.


Sarah L.
Nameless here for evermore!;  Merely this, and nothing more;
Tis the wind and nothing more!;  Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore!!"
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taru

#46
Quote from: lisagurl on March 18, 2008, 10:31:09 AM
I do not think it is a matter of ethics. Anyone coming to Internet forum for advice of DIY hormones lacks the knowledge and good sense of keeping themselves alive. Then again people do all sorts of things knowingly to destroy themselves. I sure would not want to be a party to helping someone hurt themselves.

Actually this is not true. Net is a good place to access medical articles as well as to compare different HRT regimens and to avoid mistakes.

What do you think people without knowledgeable doctors should do? Just eat "whatever" the GPs prescribe without problems? Use an endo that is used to treating menopausal women and does not have any idea of how estro needs differ between mtf and menopausal hrt?

There are three separate components:

  • Where are the meds obtained from? - pharmacy+prescription or somewhere else
  • Who decides the meds and dosages?
  • Are lab tests needed?

Getting meds outside the official system can be illegal and cause potential problems. Then again it depends heavily on the source used, and getting a prescription is quite easy in many places.

Being informed about the dosages is very important. Most people I know get prescriptions from doctors but manage their dosing by themselves - and this is largery done by sharing information over the net.

Some lab tests are probably good. However the amount (and frequency) of tests required by different doctors varies quite a lot. Here liver function and prolactine are usually seen as the most important tests (and are taken yearly together with some others).
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