Don't send a drag queen to do a transsexual's job

[RebeccaFog]

well, I can't be expected to remember every brilliant thing that comes out of my mouth or my fingers.

and if people are going to quote me, I would expect that I'd receive some compensation.   

[Shana A]

I'm thinking that it might not be so good sending a transsexual to do a drag queen's job either

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[Hypatia]

I'm thinking that it might not be so good sending a transsexual to do a drag queen's job either

That's for sure!

[seldom]

I kind of agree with Tink in some ways and disagree with her in others.
Transgender has effectively come to mean transsexual in many vernaculars and for purposes of advocacy.  So if there is a panel on trans issues, it really should only include transsexuals, whether they use the term transgender or transsexual.
It was good there was somebody there willing to actually speak up on the reality of trans people though, even if they are not trans, because the one person was very disparaging of transsexuals. 

With that being said feminism conferences are becoming the places most in touch with trans issues.  Mara Keisling from NTCE was the emergency keynote speaker for the visions in feminism conference, which dealt heavily with trans issues.  The people speaking on trans issues at this conference were in fact transsexuals.   

[Hypatia]

Wait-- were you there? I wonder how I missed seeing you. I went to the trans allies workshop, it was pretty cool. Mara gave a kickass speech, considering she was asked to speak at the last minute. She was warmly supported by the feminist audience, who were almost entirely college students. Gives me hope for the new generation.

[Blanche]

I quite agree.  Drag queens don't know our needs.  They're foreign to this anguish.  Putting on a dress for the Saturday's ball isnt enough to make anybody apt to talk for transsexual rights.

[Karla B]

To me, "transgender" implies that I am "crossing" between the gender boundaries of male and female or that I'm somewhere in the middle, and in my case, that is NOT true, for I've NEVER crossed any gender boundaries.  My gender has ALWAYS been female, and personally I feel insulted when someone tells me that I have "changed genders".  The only thing I have changed is my physical sex, NOT my gender.

tink

Tink! after you completed your transition, Do you still feel as or identify as a transsexual or a complete woman?
The reason I'm asking is Does ones transexuality end after SRS? Or Do we consider ourselves to be transexual for the rest of our lives.
I hope you understand what I mean. I'm not sure if I worded it right.

Karla B

[Kate]

I quite agree.  Drag queens don't know our needs.

It's weird how the misunderstandings always seem to go in one direction. You don't often hear TSs telling drag queens that they should just throw out the flamboyant clothes and transition. Or that CDrs should stop denying who they really are and just transition and be done with it.

But I so often hear drag queens (some, not all) suggesting we're just gays taking things too far. Or gays (some, not all) saying they know what it's like "to be a woman" because they have sex (in their way) with other men. Or TGs (some, not all) saying we shouldn't let society scare us from "expressing" ourselves freely, and don't have to change physically just to justify doing that. Or non-GID people (some, not all) saying "God doesn't make mistakes" and telling us we need to just deal with our situation and stop whining.

Maybe TSs *are* elitists, as they're so often accused of. But ya know, it's not so much arrogance as a fear of being misunderstood by people who seem determined to understand us by force-fitting us into THEIR reality, their worldview, rather than seeing and acknowledging us for who we really are.

I don't mind people not getting it... I mind more when they think they DO, lol...

~Kate~

[Natasha]

I quite agree.  Drag queens don't know our needs.  They're foreign to this anguish.  Putting on a dress for the Saturday's ball isnt enough to make anybody apt to talk for transsexual rights.

ha ha ha.  true. true.

Maybe TSs *are* elitists, as they're so often accused of.

~Kate~

making the distinction between a drag queen & a ts makes us elitists? tough! people need to wake up & smell the coffee.  drag queens aren't ts and that's all there's to it.

[Hypatia]

Does ones transexuality end after SRS?

Depending on whose definitions you listen to, either:

1) You're not TS until you get the surgery; or,
2) You stop being TS after the surgery.

Oy vey. It gives me a headache...