Germany: Die alten Einträge in Ihrer Geburtsurkunde werden nicht "beseitigt"...

[AbraCadabra]

Oh well... here goes...
<< The old entries in your birth certificate will not be "removed" ... because we may not make out a new birth record. Your existing entry will thus be maintained and a follow-up certification created >>

Oh, oh... I just now got that information straight from my home town certification clerk.

In case anyone German here may think to go stealth given this legal situation... go and think twice!

Not much I can do, and it be VERY interesting to reflect on this in the light of some of those "stealth arguments" that have been posted here time over and again.

Imagine going to get married (stealth) and the clerk will pull out your old birth certificate... GREAT!

I don't even want to think about the ramifications this all could have.

I just thought I would share this for those "To Whom It May Concern" ...

Axélle

[Beverley]

Nasty, but there are ways around it.

For instance, as an EU citizen you can be married in other EU countries where the birth certificate is not required, but the marriage certificate will be valid across the EU and just about anywhere else in the world. An EU resident can be married in the UK with only their passport needed for proof of identity and a current utility bill to show residence at a UK address.

I am sure that other 'fixes' can be worked. I do not recall showing my birth certificate to anyone, ever so it does not matter what it says on it.

[AbraCadabra]

Um, thanks for the info...
though I do recall not having to move and live in another country just to avoid showing my birth certificate, eish!
Of course I do recall having had to show just THAT, when I got married in Germany years back. PLUS, the mother's birth certificate (both partners, - to make sure all properly is Arian?... oh my...)

Axélle
PS: Now I just found another with A starting female name... "Ariane"... too late, hum.

[Sianna]

As a german citicen, I think your clerk was misinformed and wrong:

The entries in your birth register may still reflect that you were born male, but there is a prohibition of disclosure to prevent any governmental institution to use or disclose your old sex. Your birth certificate must reflect your sex as female. Anything else would infringe with the EMRK (European Human Rights Convention).


Also I must say I'm really taken back by your arian - statement. I hope, you don't have that opinion anymore, since it is more than outdated.

[AbraCadabra]

As a german citicen, I think your clerk was misinformed and wrong:

The entries in your birth register may still reflect that you were born male, but there is a prohibition of disclosure to prevent any governmental institution to use or disclose your old sex. Your birth certificate must reflect your sex as female. Anything else would infringe with the EMRK (European Human Rights Convention).


Also I must say I'm really taken back by your arian - statement. I hope, you don't have that opinion anymore, since it is more than outdated.

Thanks for the detail and insight. I do hope all be just fine then. No disclosure, ja?

Arian... ach so.
Being only 1/2 German I may be forgiven that little 'sidekick"?
My "Familienstammbuch" from my mother's side is still full of those swastika stamps and those statements of: "Arischer Abstammung"... ja.
It's hardly more then 60 years back after all.

But sen... jawohl, Schulz set IS not a laughing matter, nein, nein.

Axélle
PS: having to produce parents' documents is to make doubly sure you are German... and not as in the olden days that you were of 'pure blood'...
Funny though if your passport is German why then go over it all again...
Though taking on another citizenship in the meantime... the German one is gone, - and pretty much for good.

[Sianna]

You are forgiven  Great Imitation, that made me laugh!

Also, Germany has a very distinct bureaucracy Right know I'm playing jumping through hoops with my statutory health insurance...

[AbraCadabra]

I see Sianna,
Hoops... jumping... good for you, you still up for jumping :-)

I'm actually playing with the idea to return, maybe, just maybe, back to my home town Karlsruhe...
It will depend on how things go over here in SA, but sen I vil also have to do some hoop jumping. I'm pretty sure of that.
I had to do lots, last time I had returned for some 10 years in the 90s.

In deed it is more for that reason that I started to feel just a bit concerned about how "trans-friendly" the place would be. Hearing that the old records will not be "removed" made me prick-up my ears.

Time will tell.
SA is about as trans-friendly as it will get - so it is of import to know... before jumping once again into the "deep end".

Thanks for keeping up the humour :-)
Axélle