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how open are you?

Started by jonjon, April 12, 2008, 03:09:41 AM

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soldierjane

I'm only open to my family and friends with whom I joke and kid around about my transition. The few people who remain at my job from when I went FT sort of know (it was a transparent charade towards the end and I was passing as female in huge clothes anyway) but that's it.
I don't tell if no good will come from it.
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Owen

I just let most figure out what I am. If I meet someone new I try to let the know upfront that I identify as female as I try to look as feminine as possible. Some will mark me as male while most think I'm female. If they have a problem with it then I'll just move on. Most have been nice about it.

Linda Ann

Love being female :angel:
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Haruke

i haven't come around to doing that with everyone, but i'm trying. i mean, some people could say "tchyeahh it's pretty obvious, im a dude." but some people could confuse that with being butch-lesbian, and lol-i-am-not-wtf. so i usually just say it outright, or i dont say anything at all--personally it's no one's business but mine, and the people around me can either get with the program or GTFO. usually i just let them figure out through random conversations i have with other people. Like i totally told my English professor, and we talk rather openly about it, and what i have to go through. im sure my classmates are wondering and want to ask questions.
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cindybc

Hi April
Thanks so much for writing back. You may already be off the waves already which means you will not be reading this post until Thursday. I am happy to hear you have a new apartment. I moved so many times already in my life that I feel like a gypsy at times, literally.

Anyway I don't think I will be visiting as much real estate as I use to but I am happy, I have a partner and we live together in Vancouver BC. I hope this is not an intrusive question, but why do you not wear the hair piece and if no one asks any questions, then just let it be? I really don't know but for at least the past six years of my 8 years full time I have not been asked about my status, (trans). I am addressed in the proper gender and I just never had to explain anything to anyone, If I had to I would have leveled with them.

I am not going to say that this means no one has read me, but if they did they just weren't certain enough to confront me about it. I am who I am, I am a very proud woman who has spent many hours in the service of helping others. That's what I live for and that is who I am.

Hun I will be back to share with you when ever you wish, ok, even if it's just to share old tales  ;D  If you would prefer to share on PM that is fine with me.     
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Princess

it's too hard for me to be open about my status since i didn't transition yet. i get embarassed easily. when i do transition it's gonna be so awkward and embarassing.
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Sister Seagull

Quote from: Princess on April 16, 2008, 06:55:58 PM
it's too hard for me to be open about my status since i didn't transition yet. i get embarassed easily. when i do transition it's gonna be so awkward and embarassing.

I'm with you there... I'm not very open about it at all in most areas of my life (work, family, etc..)

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cindybc

Hi Redfish, I am somewhat confused on your statement below.
QuoteI'll ever be terribly open about it. I played around with the notion lately, but ultimately concluded that it was not for me.

It's just not really a way in which I'd prefer to be defined

Are you not going for SRS in 25 days? Boy I suggest you hurry up and find a reason why you don't feel that transitioning is for you????

Cindy
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cindybc

Hi Redfish hon, I didn't mean to be obtrusive about it, I was just curious. This thread is about *How open are you*? I surmised that to mean, who you are? What do you Identify as? Are you ready to accept who you are? OK maybe I missed something but I have never been clear on just what is meant by *stealth*.

When I came out as me 8 years ago, After that length of time  I just simply adapted to who I am, and that is I am a woman by the name of Cindy, a little on the short side even for the average height of women. I worked as Cindy and I went about every day life as Cindy. Most folks in that town knew me and who I was before, but after a time they got use to me and accepted me as who I presented as.

I knew that I couldn't carry any old residual traits of my former self,  not even the tiniest threads of this identity was to be taken into the land of post opp. I now live full time as Cindy. Well I enjoyed my transitional years, but that's not to say it didn't have it's bumps rough spots along the way. Still it was  an experience, a wonderful discovery into my own nature. I may never experience anything else that would be quite as equal again during what few years I may have left to live on this planet. It was a wonderful journey into the of discovery and experience of having plumbed the depths of the innerself.

Cindy
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JENNIFER

I know that I have contributed to this thread at an earlier stage and I do not wish to be repetitive.  The matter of being stealth has arisen and although I attempted this at first instance, I came to believe that I was being stealthy to the public and myself also.  I take the view that to transition is to take the inevitable risks that surely follow such an activity. 

I spent the first few months getting used to living by my new name, the first action was to legally adopt a female identity and I got my papers in order as soon as was practicable, and I allowed life to guide my actions.  How?  I am always asked by genetics of both genders when i first decided to go public wearing obvious female clothing.  Of course, due to the long years before transition, I wore as much as possible the femalle versions of what might be considered male exclusives, jeans, shirts, coats etc whilst the non visible underwear was a playground.  The first eventuality after transition started was an event that 'forced' my hand somewhat.  I was readying myself for a doctor's appointment, was dressed as usual in trousers, t shirt and fleece and trainers etc.  I was running late and spilt a coffee on my trousers. In panic, I tried to change into another pair but could not find a clean pair. 

The clock was ticking away and the moment came when I was forced into a decision to pick out a skirt or simply not go at all to the doctor.   Life took me along a path that I had not planned for, although i had thought I was ready for.  I wore that skirt to the doctor. I then continued to the shops and began to relax so much, I didnt want to go home.  That was the first instance of openly wearing female exclusives.  It was a wonderful day, never to be forgotten but much more learning followed from it.  Stealth died for me that day because my fears were exposed for being false.  I realised that if I was to truely live my life as a female, I must think like one and not be bullied into an action that denied my femininity.

How open am I?  100%.  The only way to be in my view no matter how tough the road might be along the way because that is what makes us in the long term, experienced, wise, tolerant  and so understanding of those that are different to us....and of course, women are often treated badly by men, what better way to understand this negative other than by living the female way?  :-\
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Princess

i just wish we lived in a world where the kids choose their gender from the day they are born, instead of their parents. since i've been forced to live looking like a boy. that only screws me, because i just know the other family members won't accept me, and i'll be embarassed. i've got to transition sometime. i want to live as a girl completely when i'm 18. i'm getting to the end of the line. i'm afraid to start.
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JENNIFER

Quote from: Princess on April 18, 2008, 03:30:27 PM
i just wish we lived in a world where the kids choose their gender from the day they are born, instead of their parents. since i've been forced to live looking like a boy. that only screws me, because i just know the other family members won't accept me, and i'll be embarassed. i've got to transition sometime. i want to live as a girl completely when i'm 18. i'm getting to the end of the line. i'm afraid to start.

Whilst not understanding entirely your situation, why must you wait till your 18th birthday?  You could live as a girl within your own mind, prepare for the day when you can throw off the shackles of boyness knowing you had prepared your mind for it.  Perhaps this is another definition of 'stealth' as we are no way equal in our unique backgrounds here..... :)
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cindybc

Hi Princess, nice name; do you do fantasy?  I mean like playing around with fantasies?  That is one way you can touch your dream.

I do agree with Jennifer though:

QuoteWhilst not understanding entirely your situation, why must you wait till your 18th birthday?  You could live as a girl within your own mind, prepare for the day when you can throw off the shackles of boyness knowing you had prepared your mind for it.  Perhaps this is another definition of 'stealth' as we are no way equal in our unique backgrounds here.....

You could start by putting your ducks in a row.  Start planning.  You could start with the "Big #1", a visit to a therapist who deals with transsexuality. Other than this I must say that your situation is wanting for more information about your status is with your parents. 

Do you live at home? It is quite possible that your parents may turn out to be the major thorn in your side to say the least, but I do pray for your sake this will not be so. In the end you may be alone in making your decision but it should involve you, and hopefully, your therapist. 

Will you be leaving home to go to college or university? This might at least be your base for starting transitioning. 
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Princess

i like to fantasy sometimes. when i live inside myself it makes me feel like what everyone else says is false and stereotyped. everyone judges on how you look instead of what you feel, and that is just ignorance.
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Floating

How open are you? 

That's a funny question for me because I really want to be open. I want to share everything with people.
Yet the answer is no.   I share nothing in real life.  I have told very few people that I'm TS. My girlfriend, my doctor and a therapist (who I'll never be seeing again.  Among other things, he fell asleep during our session) are the only people who know.

I usually never let people know how I'm feeling, and in instances when it might be obvious, I hide it - usually with humour.




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deviousxen

I'm getting close to telling someone else who is very nice to me. Once again, someone I barely see, but whatever.


This week has been telling me not to really care anymore, especially when I get to college or art school.


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JENNIFER

Just before I made the decision to transition to womanhood, I had several very lengthy and detailed conversations with my neighbour, a beautiful and very insightful creature with an instinct as sharp as any surgical blade.

She spoke of the mythical line that we are all told during our childhood never to cross for fear of .....well........of any nasty outcomes you might think of.  I spoke of the horrors and torment of being ridiculed by people because i would be pointed at, shouted at, abused, ignored, excommunicated, attacked....the list was extensive.   

In my situation, circumstances came together in such a way that any obstacles I had simply disappeared.  I no longer had  a job hence no in work transition problems,  I had not seen any of my birth family for 30+ yrs therefore I had no reason to consider their opinions or feeling, my friends pre-stroke had deserted me and in all, I was as free as I could ever be to cross that line and start living the way I had been destined.

QuoteI'm getting close to telling someone else who is very nice to me. Once again, someone I barely see, but whatever.

......'but whatever' are the key words here. Why not tell those nice people? You got to face it eventually and if it goes badly, then you learn from it and try again but it's no reason not to transition is it?   

Eventually, my friend asked me what was holding me back. Fear was my reply. Spell it she said.  F E A R.  She then spelt it out in her magial way....F.alse E.xpectations A.gainst R.eality.......

That was  the moment I decided to transition. Within a week, I had formally and legally changed my name, my papers were altered for tax and benefit reasons, voting records, credit agreements, student records, the list was lengthy but those actions helped confirm in my own mind that I was now a new person, a true to myself person and nothing would hold me back anymore.

This thread was about openness, and what better way to handle transition than being open with yourself. If you are at peace with your own decision to transition, then surely others shall see that you mean business, stealth is good for some situations sometimes personal safety demands it but sometimes, nothing can prevent your past being uncovered, e.g., job applications require references from previous employers or if young, school records come into the picture.  Passport applications require proof of who you are via birth documents, your medical records will have your new name and perhaps your chosen gender but will ALWAYS keep a record of your medical history in your birth gender.

During the early months following transition, I was swept up by a wave of experimentation, testing myself with clothes, make-up, hair etc., but unlike pre transition, it was no longer a dream or a fantasy, it became real life and wowee, a huge change of attitude followed.  I realised very quickly how real women aproached their appearance.   A real ( genetic ) woman follows fashion like a slave, unavoidable reality and not how a former male might have seen things.  Clothes for work, clothes for play, clothes for whatever...then there are the  shoes that go with each item and situation, then the make-up has to be siutable for the clothes and the reasons for wearing them, then the handbag, ear rings, finger rings, bangles, legwear, heck, a womans life is such a wonderful thing to have but all of this can only happen if you take that first step across the mythical line and you tackle the 'FEAR' that stops many of us from beginning transition in the first place...... :angel:

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cindybc

"Wow!!" JENNIFER  you have certainly impressed this old one. You are very much on the right track as to the doos and don'ts it it certainly has a lot to do do with trial and error of course but after a time you learn instinctively what is you and what isn't you, just don't overdress for where ever you are going that day. As for you safety just stay away from uncertain areas you are not certain about especially after dark. If you must go, bring a friend with you. Don't take chances. I will get back with you when I get back this after noon.

Cindy

Posted on: April 19, 2008, 03:51:45 PM
Quotei like to fantasy sometimes. when i live inside myself it makes me feel like what everyone else says is false and stereotyped. everyone judges on how you look instead of what you feel, and that is just ignorance

I am smiling. It is wonderful to meet a fellow traveler. It is so hard to convince one of the world of fantasy when they are still in the hard core male mode, no squeeze room for imagination to get in. With a pencil and paper you can create what some call art, possibly another world? One can also create the same magic with the written word.

Hi, again, Princess, I see much promise for you. I did the fantasy thing from all the way back when I was little. I imagined being a princess, the Little Mermaid, a fairy, a warrior princess, "Hee, hee," and many others.  It appears for every character I had, I had a whole host of imaginary pets that went with that particular persona. I always had a stash of clothes I had gotten from my sister's dresser and closet and had them hid under a wash tub in the woods. I would slip off into the woods and act out my fantasies right there in the magical forest. 

I know these were only games but they can certainly give you a wonderful way to touch your dreams until the time comes and you walk out your front door as the beautiful person that you have created from your mind.
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JENNIFER

To Princess and any other that is strugging with the idea and reality of transition,  consider for a few moments the consequences of doing nothing..  Are you prepared to stew in the contaminated soup of a failed malehood decided by a genetic mistake? OR, are you prepared to take the steps required to achieve the correct status that your mind and body and soul demands?

I am now living my life as a female, I have significant problems with my perception of how others see me, I feel ugly and a man in a skirt etc, but in reality, it rarely results in a challenge.  Most if not all people are too wound up with their own lives and attitudes to risk a conflict in public, the risk of arrest being one such fear..., ;), and perhaps the realisation of their own sexual misgivings    >:D
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Princess

whe i keep thinking the negative parts of being a male it makes me have more guts to transition. the only downside is that it makes me feel bad about my current self at the same time.
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JENNIFER

Lose the attitude ,
Quotethe only downside is that it makes me feel bad about my current self at the same
,  :angel:you dont need it. So be yourself Princess. It is not going to be an easy ride and so long as you understand this, you shall make progress my friend .  :angel:
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