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Started by lisagurl, April 18, 2008, 02:25:43 PM

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NicholeW.

My point, I hoped, Lisa, was the the cattle-growers know grass is better. But the pressures of the industrila farm approach is that htye need to get that calf from 80#s to 1100#s in 14 months to meet production goals.

They are not thjinking cost-effectiveness because the grain additives do indeed make for mosre costly eating for the cows, not to mention the huge barns and feed lots full of cows and basically miserable conditions for the animals.

The farmers are only thinking production which means they don't care about the feed and how good it is, they just want the weight.

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tekla

Farming is industrial, because the output must be huge as margins are small.  Where I lived in Iowa a 'small, family farm' was still over 500 acres in production.  And yeah, its all corn and soy, and that's up 100% in crop diversity from 20 years ago when it was almost all corn.  Its still monoculture corn and beans however.  And that's another problem.

And its not just that.  All the prime agricultural land in Napa and Sonoma is in wine grapes.  Even the old prune ranches (plums) have gone over.  The food cycle is pretty amazing really, and a lot of it is going away, or at least back to the old system of things being 'in season.'   So give up that fresh salad in the winter, its going to be too expensive to drag all that stuff back from Cali or up from the Deep South to New England when gas passes, $5, which it will do by the end of the summer at the rate its moving now. 

Even if we raise enough food, and we are at that margin now, its not just an agricultural production problem its a storage problem, a processing problem, and a transportation problem -- its also a 'can you afford it' problem.  Hence Haiti.  But Haiti is screwed anyway.  They have far more people than the land can support, so who is support to support them?  Hard to pass that burden off onto others. 

And you do have to move that stuff fast, hence the hormones in the feed.
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lisagurl

WASHINGTON - Science has provided the souped-up seeds to feed the world, through biotechnology and old-fashioned crossbreeding. Now the problem is the dirt they're planted in.
As seeds get better, much of the world's soil is getting worse and people are going hungry. Scientists say if they can get the world out of the economically triggered global food crisis, better dirt will be at the root of the solution.
Soils around the world are deteriorating with about one-fifth of the world's cropland considered degraded in some manner. The poor quality has cut production by about one-sixth, according to a World Resources Institute study. Some scientists consider it a slow-motion disaster
In sub-Saharan Africa, nearly 1 million square miles of cropland have shown a "consistent significant decline," according to a March 2008 report by a worldwide consortium of agricultural institutions.
The cause of the current global food crisis is mostly based on market forces, speculation and hoarding, experts say. But beyond the economics lie droughts and floods, plant diseases and pests, and all too often, poor soil.
A generation ago, through better types of plants, Earth's food production exploded in what was then called the "green revolution." Some people thought the problem of feeding the world was solved and moved on. However, developing these new "magic seeds" was the easy part. The crucial element, fertile soil, was missing.
"The first thing to do is to have good soil," said Hans Herren, winner of the World Food Prize. "Even the best seeds can't do anything in sand and gravel."

Herren is co-chairman of the International Assessment of Agricultural Knowledge, Science and Technology for Development, a collection of scientists sponsored by the United Nations and World Bank. It produced a 2,500-page report last month which, among other recommendations, emphasized a need to improve the world's soil.
Genetic improvements in corn make it possible to grow up to 9,000 pounds of corn per acre in Africa. But millions of poor African farmers only get about 500 pounds an acre "because over the years, their soils have become very infertile and they can't afford to purchase fertilizers," said Roger Leakey, a co-author of the international report and professor at James Cooke University in Australia.
Soil and water issues "have been taken for granted," said Ohio State University soil scientist Rattan Lal. "It is a problem that is not going to be solved. It's going to get worse before it gets better."
In Africa, farmers are forced to use practices that rob nutrients from the soil, not put it back, said Herren, who heads an Arlington, Va., nonprofit. Fertilizer is a quick, short-term fix, but even that isn't being done, he said.
The current crisis could have been avoided "if we, the world, had promoted fertilizer in Africa and we have known for ages it works," said Pedro Sanchez, Columbia University tropical agricultural director.
In that way, the problem with soil is a prime example of a larger failing of agriculture science, said Sanchez, who has won both the World Food Prize and a MacArthur genius grant. Scientists have the knowledge to feed the world right now, but that is not happening, Sanchez said. "It's very frustrating, especially when you see children dying."
The fruits of biotechnology and the staples of modern agricultural scientific techniques include irrigation, crop rotation, reduced tilling, use of fertilizer and improved seeds. It's a way of farming differently instead of just using better seeds that requires extra money up-front that many African farmers don't have, scientists said.
Fixing soil just isn't "sexy" enough to interest governments or charities, said Robert Zeigler, director general of the International Rice Research Institute in Manila, Philippines.
Zeigler's center last week planted its 133rd crop of rice in the same land since 1963, trying to pinpoint the right combination of nitrogen and fertilizer. Better seeds worked wonders. But finding money for soil health is difficult and because of that, less work is accomplished, he said.
But there are success stories, Sanchez said, pointing to the small African country of Malawi. Three years ago, the country's new president invested 8 percent of Malawi's national budget in a subsidy program to get fertilizer and better seeds to small farmers. Each farmer got two bags of fertilizer and 4 1/2 pounds of seeds at less than half the cost.


Before the program started, one-third of Malawi was on food aid and the country wasn't growing enough food for itself, Sanchez said. It was producing 1.2 million tons of maize in 2005. In 2006, Malawi had more than doubled its production. By 2007 and 2008, the crop was up to 3.4 and 3.3 million tons. Now Malawi is exporting corn.
"In two years, the country has changed from a food aid recipient to a food aid donor and is self-sufficient," Sanchez said. "If Malawi can do it, richer countries like Nigeria, Kenya can do it."
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tekla

It's not that simple, the seeds they are providing are copyright, and patent protected intellectual property of a few large agribusiness (do I really need to say they were big BIG supporters of G. W. Bush????) who own not only the rights to the product, but all future offspring.  Its not a solution at all.
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RebeccaFog


The only solutions are to work around governments and corporations.

However, no one will do as I say.  :laugh:
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lisagurl

There are farmers around the world that got talked into special seeds that now find out they need all sorts of chemicals and plenty of water. Some of them that can not afford the extras are committing suicide because they can not feed their family and are bankrupt as farmers.

Posted on: May 09, 2008, 03:08:59 PM
GENEVA (Reuters) - Exposure in the womb to common chemicals used to make everything from plastic bottles to pizza box liners may program a person to become obese later in life, U.S. researchers said on Wednesday.

Their studies of mice showed animals exposed to even tiny amounts of the chemicals during development were fatter when they grew older compared with mice not exposed to the compounds, they told the 2008 European Congress on Obesity.

"We are talking about an exposure at very low levels for a finite time during development," said Jerry Heindel of the U.S. National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences.

"The fact that it is such a sensitive period, it may be altering the tissue and making people more susceptible to obesity."

The World Health Organization estimates some 400 million people are obese, a problem that raises the risk of conditions like type 2 diabetes and heart disease.

Previous studies have linked these chemicals -- also found in water pipes -- to cancer and reproductive problems, prompting a number of countries and U.S. states to consider potential bans or limits of the compounds, the researchers said.

One of the chemicals is called Bisphenol A, found in polycarbonate plastics. Past research has suggested it leaches from plastic food and drink containers.

A team at Tufts University in the United States showed that female mice whose mothers were exposed to this chemical early in pregnancy gained more weight in adulthood even though they ate the same amount of food and were as active as other mice
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NicholeW.

So mice are getting fatter. Wonder how the mice in Botswana fare, or those in Khazakistan?

There's no doubt that the average weight of Americans is up. Many are obese. All due to Bisphenol ya reckon? 

But, the photos I see from Darfur, Somalia and Zimbabwe don't show a lot of fat people walking about. They don't use plastics? Or they just don't use food?

And with corps doing exactly what tekla says, patenting seeds and constantly pushing factory-produced chemical fertilizers, how does a farmer whose land is drought-plagued and whose avg yearly income, not profit is $60 use all that 'green revolution' technology when his wife can't afford mealies enough to make pita?

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lisagurl

Quote from: Nichole on May 17, 2008, 07:54:57 AM
So mice are getting fatter. Wonder how the mice in Botswana fare, or those in Khazakistan?

There's no doubt that the average weight of Americans is up. Many are obese. All due to Bisphenol ya reckon? 

But, the photos I see from Darfur, Somalia and Zimbabwe don't show a lot of fat people walking about. They don't use plastics? Or they just don't use food?

And with corps doing exactly what tekla says, patenting seeds and constantly pushing factory-produced chemical fertilizers, how does a farmer whose land is drought-plagued and whose avg yearly income, not profit is $60 use all that 'green revolution' technology when his wife can't afford mealies enough to make pita?

N~

There are some places that just do not have affordable food therefor people are starving to death regardless of plastic.

Some farmers who get hybrid seeds can not afford the water pumps, insecticides, and fertilizers after they plant and are never told by the seed marketer all that is involved so they lose the crop as some end it all, in places like India.

Posted on: May 17, 2008, 08:22:16 AM
QuoteOne contributor to higher prices has been the brown plant hopper. The insect has been spreading rapidly through China, evolving so fast that it can now withstand 100 times the concentration of insecticide it took to kill the bugs just a decade ago. The insects cling to stalks of young rice plants, sucking the juices out of them


Posted on: May 17, 2008, 04:27:11 PM
New Trend in Biofuels Has New Risks

But now, biologists and botanists are warning that they, too, may bring serious unintended consequences. Most of these newer crops are what scientists label invasive species — that is, weeds — that have an extraordinarily high potential to escape biofuel plantations, overrun adjacent farms and natural land, and create economic and ecological havoc in the process, they now say.
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