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How Many People Inside You ?

Started by Bob, August 17, 2006, 02:11:01 AM

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Sarah Louise

This really doesn't answer the intent of the original question, but I will say there are a lot less people (voices) in my head than there used to be.

Very criptive statement.

Sarah L.
Nameless here for evermore!;  Merely this, and nothing more;
Tis the wind and nothing more!;  Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore!!"
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LostInTime

I have a side that says, "I wanna..." and then after the explosion or other sort of havok I tend to think things out a bit more.   :D
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Kate

I'd suggest two (well, it's REALLY one, but for it's kindofa particle/wave thing)...

I sometimes use the analogy of the moon landing. No really, follow me here...

There's this one person orbiting this world high above, pretty much knows what's what, has a grand view of things, can see dangers and problems far ahead.. and tries and tries to communicate that info down to the nut piloting the actual landing craft far below, to the one who's actually poking around, exploring things.

Only the landing craft nut has a faulty radio, only gets snippets of words here and there, and besides... she THINKS she knows what she's doing anyway, who needs all this info and direction anyway? So she basically spends most of her life mucking things up, not listening to what she's trying to tell herself, inventing ever more elaborate and confusing lies and excuses to explain and justify WHY she's being a stubborn you-know-what.

If only she'd just LISTEN ;)
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Melissa

Quote from: Kate on August 21, 2006, 01:59:18 PM
I'd suggest two (well, it's REALLY one, but for it's kindofa particle/wave thing)...

I sometimes use the analogy of the moon landing. No really, follow me here...

There's this one person orbiting this world high above, pretty much knows what's what, has a grand view of things, can see dangers and problems far ahead.. and tries and tries to communicate that info down to the nut piloting the actual landing craft far below, to the one who's actually poking around, exploring things.

Only the landing craft nut has a faulty radio, only gets snippets of words here and there, and besides... she THINKS she knows what she's doing anyway, who needs all this info and direction anyway? So she basically spends most of her life mucking things up, not listening to what she's trying to tell herself, inventing ever more elaborate and confusing lies and excuses to explain and justify WHY she's being a stubborn you-know-what.

If only she'd just LISTEN ;)

So you're saying transition can be likened to radio repair. ;)  Then you'll have control of her once again.

Melissa
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Kate

Quote from: Melissa on August 21, 2006, 02:57:30 PM
you're saying transition can be likened to radio repair. ;)  Then you'll have control of her once again.

LOL, great way to put it!

(looks for toolbox)

Carlos Castaneda I think described it as "dusting the link to Spirit" or some such thing. Same as listen to your heart, follow your bliss, learning to recognize and follow synchronicities, seeing signs and meaning instead of coincidences and chance, the journey back to your True Self, self-acceptance... it's all the same message retold through different expressions methinks:

"The eye by which I see God is the same as the eye by which God sees me. My eye and God's eye are one and the same--one in seeing, one is knowing, and one in loving." - Meister Eckhart
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Furanshisu

My mom has talked a lot about the emotional mind versus logical mind, and how people trying to help you can accidentally clash if they apply the opposite approach to the problem (ie. a logical response doesn't always comfort an issue of emotions, and sometimes aggrivates it.). I've always had those mind voices, like when I was a kid I called the mean one Fred, who was critical and making me think paranoid super-ego type thoughts. I feel like my personality conflicts a lot, between feelings of love and anger, science and mysticism, faith and skepticism, trust and paranoia... very weird, though one time my love said I don't conflict as much as I think I might, but still, there's a lot of chatter up there... and there's also my alter ego Francis, a character of mine I like to dress up as and also acted in a play. However, my love says I was just playing myself, and I don't disagree. Francis is like myself when I'm feeling extra excited and over the top and/or neurotic.
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Bob

Quote from: Kate on August 21, 2006, 01:59:18 PM
I'd suggest two (well, it's REALLY one, but for it's kindofa particle/wave thing)...

I sometimes use the analogy of the moon landing. No really, follow me here...

There's this one person orbiting this world high above, pretty much knows what's what, has a grand view of things, can see dangers and problems far ahead.. and tries and tries to communicate that info down to the nut piloting the actual landing craft far below, to the one who's actually poking around, exploring things.

Only the landing craft nut has a faulty radio, only gets snippets of words here and there, and besides... she THINKS she knows what she's doing anyway, who needs all this info and direction anyway? So she basically spends most of her life mucking things up, not listening to what she's trying to tell herself, inventing ever more elaborate and confusing lies and excuses to explain and justify WHY she's being a stubborn you-know-what.

If only she'd just LISTEN ;)


Well Said Kate ! Indeed that is also the feeling I had in my Younger years.
Melissa.... Its not so much as Radio repair ... just getting the RECEPTION to come in good enough to hear it well.... as there is nothing at all wrong with the transmitter... it transmits just fine... the antenna on the RECIEVEING end is a small thing that just doesn't recieve very good at all....  its almost a LINE-OF-SIGHT comunication type of thing.... as long as you have a clear line of sight you can recieve very well... but when a mountian gets in the way the reception drops sharply to the point of no reception at all.... all you get then is white noise.
and we are the same way to a great extent... as long as we are tuned in and in line of site our diferent sides or ourselves comunicate quite well, but when things get in the way, like emotions, hard headdedness, you name it  the comunication becomes harder and harder to make out  until all you get in just the white noise...
this is why I think its very important to keep the comunication channels open in your mind... or you could wind up with a Monopole exhistance... without any depth or thinking going on ...just going through the motions so to speak.
though we all have retreated into this "nitch" as i call it... it is far less than optimum for exhistance's sake.  we become a robot or slave to life...or work and just survive without realy liveing at all.
...
Understand I realise that this Nitch is absoultly nessarry for working for a liveing...  other wize it drives ya Nuts.... well, it did me ... because I couldn't stay in the "Nitch" where I needed my mind to be for work.... and there for had serious problems trying to work for a liveing.
  So learning how to Turn it ON or turn it Off is a very handy skill....  My wife can do it with ease.... and all I can do is shake my head.... because I cannot !  I am stuck in full comunication mode full duplex so to speak... and I can't tune them out... if i could  I could be a robot and go to work and survive it without it driveing me nuts !
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so each of us is diferent in that respect... some strive for more comunication others strive for less reception ! .... and it all has to do with ballanceing ones own exhistance in this life.
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My 2 coppers !

Bob......


 
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veronica06

hello. just registered. so I am new here.
now to this q.
how many people are there inside?
easy to answer--difficult to answer.
mixed feelings on this.
let me try for you.
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it says non gender talk here, but somehow I cannot ignore it.
please allow me briefly.
one is;
my woman inside.
one is the male in me.
but inside those,...oh my.
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the male part of me,..there is an ex big rig trucker.
there is an ex taxi owner/driver.
there is an ex street kid.
there is an ex military soldier.
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the woman in me.........
there is the sisterly one.
there is the lets-talk-girl-to-girl,,,,one.
there is,...the free wheeling let's go shopping and have a girl's day out...one.
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oh my.......so many "hats" to wear....
but all in all?
only one head, only one voice...
but so so many experiences to draw on..........

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oh my..did I answer okay?

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Jillieann Rose

Hi Veronicao6,
Glad you have joined.
If you would like to get to know the guys and gals better.
Tell us about yourself in Introdutions.
Jillieann
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Bob


Howdy Veronica06
welcome... and Yes you answered quite well... there are 2 major players in your being then
the male and the female.
this seams to be the norm for most people here... 2 I mean...
though I find it interesting that most here have quantified the people inside them with a "Gender"  while I myself  have not bothered in that respect.... being happly male Might have something to do with that, I dunno !
The more I understand about this personality ishue the more I believe that everyone has at least 2 sides to their thinking, in some form or another...although some think mainly with ONE aspect of their being , others use both on a daily basis.... and i find this very interesting...
  Which brings me to the next question....  which is better ?
No doubt  Pros and cons can be touted for both methods... single-minded-ness of thought
or all of your eggs in one basket so to speak.... or a broder view, spred out,collecting all viewpoints with a more brodminded outlook.
... this is just an example and by no means the only possable senerios... a single minded person can indeed have a very brod outlook and be very open minded, just as the duel thinker can be very single minded in their aproach to things...
...
  this is more or less Thinking on "thinking" how do we actually think when we think.
its a dificult thing to describe and to put into words, but i find myself tossing ideas back and forth between the 2 halves of my brain, involveing both people inside me ,  As an example ,saying to myself in thought about a problem with the Prop I am makeing for my gyro at the moment... will having fiberglass on one side of the prop blade be enough?
to which I answer  of corse it will, because the wood alone is strong enough by itself, yes but i am adding extra weight as well, yes but the added weight is also added striength. etc.etc... and so it goes as I debate all the plusses and minuses of a problem I am faceing.... 
  I'm not sure there is a "BETTER" way of doing the thinking proccess... i think what ever works for you is the best one for you ! .... but Our history has geniouses dotted throughout our past and present and being a Genious may be something as simple as thinking diferently than the norm !  there has been studies done on the brains of Extreamily inteligant people and the phisical brain is no diferent at all than a regular person... but the thinking paterns are vastly diferent...
How and why is a very interesting idea.
... so can a regular run of the mill person become a genious over night by changeing their thinking ?   
  to that i'ed say NO ...not over night... changeing your thinking paterns takes many months of serious work....  so I am saying Yes to a regular person can become a genious... IF they knew How to change the thinking and in what way !
....
so what way of thinking then, is the genious Method ? how does it differ from our own methods ?  is the thinking method hard wired into the brain on some special individuals
that cannot be duplicated by  thought alone ?
.... too many questions , not enough answers ! <GRIN>

....
Bob........

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veronica06

I just seen your post.  and I grasp all of it.

to think...about...................................thought.

very interesting....very logical.
I love your thoughtline.
and I GUESS?...................hey..it's a shot in the dark....okay?
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at THIS precise moment...........I am still fully male............been raised AS male.
have had to fend for myself like a wild animal since I was 10.
never had any backup support.
so in THAT manner............."I" am full of testosterone........and adrenaline.
"I" am TOLD by 1 head shrink.........."I" am THEE model for a junk yard dog.
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now..............IF we delve into a neutered male........and start pumping female hormones........
I am TOLD to understand it to be..........that the adrenaline disappears like a puff of smoke.........
and the thoughtline.............becomes............more docile.
more.................female.

so?  where does this put me?
sounds to ME like my street skills will be needed even MORE to survive because females ARE the hunted and the males are the hunters. "I" will have to learn how to be even more defensive to survive.......without physical because NO female can match a male.
I will be using wit and experience vs strength and power.

a very scary thing..at best..........
how say YOU on this?

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Bob

I agree with you completely except your brod statement of no female can match a male ...
as I have seen things that would make any male respect certain females much much more<grin>
or risk having an arm broke ! hehehehe
But on  the avrage Yes definately ... You will need to be on the defencive... as you so planely stated , the males are the hunters and the females are THE hunted..
your years of street-smarts should make you paranoid enough that you will have very few problems however... where gals get into truble is because they just don't know Any thing about how a male works ,thinks or reacts... You on the other hand Know this already... so don't forget it ! ....it may well save your hide in the future !
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...How ever the idea of this thred was to scrutinize ones self and see how we think, and how many personalities there are inside each of us. 
  it seams that two people or consciousnesses reside in the avrage person, there may be more or less, thats just a rough guess at this time. 
the way I have thought all my life is to bat ideas back and forth in my head... asking questions and giveing answers... at one point in time I was talking to myself out loud
to see if the comunication was better... if the thoughts were getting accross better...
and it did seam to improve a bit but wasn't worth the strange looks or people asking me Hay Bob who you talking to ? ... hehehehhehe  so that experiment sort of faded away
but when I am realy puzzled about something i pull out all the stops and realy get into the debate ! HEHEHEH no doubt its comical as heck to a bystander !  but I have found that it works extreamily well for figureing out mechanical problems, which is what I am usually messing with....because I am very mechanical minded and love anything to do with the subject, just because it is !.
....
For instance, the other day I was trying to hook up the brakes on my Gyrocopter that I had just made from scratch, I'm proud of the fact that Not only did I design, shape and form the brakes and disks but I poured the molten alumimum  to make the brake calapers out of too ! .... anyway, it worked out that one side is a bit diferent than the other side and the cable length was an important factor in the adjustment... both brakes need to come on at the same time  so I have both cables goint into One cable that is actuated by a brake lever... but getting them to actuate at the same time was puzzeling because it didn't work out quite like theory said it should ! ... so after batting the problem back and forth in my head  I came up with the answer of cable length adjusters for each wheel.
which cured the problem entirely.
  But I have alwayse wondered if I am the only one on the planet that thinks like that or does everyone go through the same proccess ??

I remember a very good friend of Mine while we lived in the Reno Nv. Airea who we had discussions on Math.... I love math but never was realy good at it... well Tom was , infact he was so sharp with figures that he'ed have the answer before I could poke them in a calculator ! ... so I asked him how he did it.... and it was an assoation trick...
we retain (remember) much better, if we Assoiate something with a number...  for instance
the number 1 was assoiated with the picture in his head of one lone tree on a hill top.
the number 2 was  two  logs side by side in a pasture.  3 was the trinity ( God the father ,God the son, God the holey ghost) 4 was a pitch fork with four points. and 5 was one hand with the fingers out streched...
he had pictures for all the numbers up to arround 55 or 60 that were fast and easy to recall for him... and was gaining more all the time , but he said the first 10 are the important ones... 
that man never forgot a number !.... and his computations were always very acurate, though he did mess up every once in a while... he said not forgetting  the numbers in the first place was crutial, and for that he had the assoiation trick the pictures in his mind of the numbers...
We are VISUALY Oriented creatures... which means if you can picture it in your head you CAN remember it with ease.
  I doubted this alot so I put him to the test... because at the time I was trying very hard to learn Morse code for my Novise Ham liscnses... but I was realy stuck on how to remember all those dits and dahs.... he showed me ... on a piece of notebook paper, i then made it a plack on a board and hung it by my radio gear and  learned it in about a week.... where i had been struggleing with it for at least 2 months before that...
each letter of the alphabet was converted to its dit and dah equivelants but the dits and dah's them selves were pictures of things.... the letter A was  a dit and a dah naturally, but there is no Visual Refrence to clamp down on with that ... but a Bouy and a dalphin  is a picture... and easily represented in a quick drawing...
after i menorized the morse code I was stuck at 5 words per minute for ages.... and I wanted to go faster... but couldn't get there ! ...then my Homer as she called herself Joan Coffer My TEACHER, told me i needed to memorize the SOUND of the letter...
that sounded like a big order but in actuality it was simple... because a Sound is something we can retain fairly easy as well.... I guess it comes from years of evolveing in the past listening for things that may try to eat you ! you need to remember them to survive! ....<GRIN> anyway.... I memorized the sounds and forgot the pictures as they were a waste of time by then... and my speed increased to 20 words per minute almost over night.... still not happy as I wanted to be an extra class ham radio operator I cept pressing on , and Joan told me now remember what the words sound like ... by then I was already doing that by instink and by the next week i was at 60 words per minute...
I never did get Extra class because You have to be able to write that fast as well ... though I could send and recieve at 60wpm I could only write at about 20wpm and i found if I tried to write, I slowed way way down.... Not the first time I wanted to be Like Cindieanna Jones in her ability to dual task simple operations !  but alas I only got to Advanced class because I couldn't pass the code portion of the Extra class .
... I said all this to make the point that there are Tricks we can use to Help us be Smarter.... to help us retain information.
I was raised to believe Ham radio operators were a realy smart group of people... only to find out they were just regular people just like me .... the same with Pilots though I think most Pilots have a serious haing up on prefectionisum ! but thats another story !
heheheheh
  Each of us have the ability to do extroidnary things if we just set our minds to it !
the tricks some people use at first sound so silly but work so well, we dare not over look them.
...
well, sorry for the Novil !
got carried away again ! hehehehe
C ya !
Bob........


 
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veronica06

the way I have thought all my life is to bat ideas back and forth in my head... asking questions and giving answers... at one point in time I was talking to myself out loud
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bob  oh  bob---------------

lemme tell ya this lil story.

MY shrink told me...talking out loud IS normal.
you are entitled to talk to yourself
you are entitled to answer yourself
you are entitled to carry on a conversation with yourself...

it IS normal.........

it is called---------------thinking out loud.............it is an adult thing.




you can only be allowed to hear ONE voice..and it HAS TO BE  yours only.
BUT?


MY issue?
I heard more than that...so I knew I was in trouble.

so I went in to see him.
yeah ok.  I got meds.  the voices stopped.
it's due to childhood trauma.
but the point I think I was making is;
"I"................find YOUR thoughtline logical, rational and highly intelligent.

I bow to your process..

gawd I love talking to folks that think like I do.
take care out there
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