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Started by Nero, May 01, 2008, 12:49:45 PM

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deviousxen

Quote from: Moira Midnigh on May 12, 2008, 07:26:14 PM
When I 'came out' to a community I was part of in an online game, they quickly just wrote me off as

1: Gay
2: Ultra-gay
3: Is-this-guy-for-real
4: Cross-dresser
5: Pervert
6: Mega-gay
7: You-must-be-kidding
8: Cross-dressing gay pervert.
...
...
...
72: Girl


6 months, and some of them would still just openly pronounce me a gay, despite my best effort to tell them I was very straight, from my point of view.

I guess what I mean to say is, it is VERY hard to get rid of stereotypes. People see you for what they want to see you for. If your parents don't want to accept you being TG, they will make up excuses for you so it will fit their reality. Just like some people in the community could not accept my story, they wrote me off as simply being, as Lynn wrote, out to trick men into "inserting distasteful things there". One person would delight in informing every new member that I was gay, ruining my chances of ever being seen as female in their eyes.

It felt really degrading, but there were a few who kept seeing me like they saw me for the first time. Mostly the girls, too. But that was the first time I felt really accepted.

Anyway.

"You can't be TG...you act like a normal boy...you go on dates...you play computer...your voice doesn't even sound female...and your clothes, are you sure you're not just gay? We'll still love you the same, son."

They didn't say that yet, but...ugh...people will make up any excuse to make the world fit their truth.

It sometimes makes me wonder...just how much we are capable of ignoring.

Rant, rant.


~Moi

Hahaha. I got that from my mom. I told her off by saying that anal was not for me. I mean... I could turn out Bi one day, but thats not the issue here... MOOOMMMMM

I wouldn't really mind being just gay, cause gender is kind of harder to deal with, but the way I found out I wasn't gay was not because I necessarily didn't like men (how can I say I don't? I'm freakin young!), but because I didn't feel like it would be right for me to like a guy, in a guys body. It just does not sexually apply to me in the least. I mean... Sex is not COMPLETELY appealing to someone in the wrong skin, no matter who the partner.
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lacitychick21

People tend to believe that 'passability' negatively correlates with one's 'personal difficulty with transition'
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MeghanAndrews

Here are some that I thought of, just really quick, not too much thought put into them (sorry Nero, it's late :):

1)  That trans people were always either hyper masculine or hyper feminine. Many just blended and were neither.
2)  That trans women have to wear dresses, lots of make up, like guys, can't do traditionally "guy" things. I have a lot of trans friends who don't follow any of those stereotypes and they are still...themselves.
3)  That life has to be miserable and depressing for trans people. Life is what you make it. It's that simple.
4)  That the goal of every trans person is the same...stealth or waving a flag in front of Capital Hill.

Those are mine for right now. I'm sure I could have more later :) Meghan

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Moira Midnigh

Rawr, Nichole!

Here's a thought for you:


A lot of people think we transition because we want to be someone else.

While in fact, we really transition just in order to be ourselves.


Isn't that peculiar?


~Moi
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Moira Midnigh on May 13, 2008, 07:28:56 AM
Rawr, Nichole!

Here's a thought for you:

A lot of people think we transition because we want to be someone else.

While in fact, we really transition just in order to be ourselves.

Isn't that peculiar?
~Moi

:D You're welcome, luv. You really ARE such a girl, too.  :laugh: :laugh:

Do I find it peculiar?

Umm, no, not particularly. I just think they cannot imagine that one can have a somatically-male or somatically-female body and not be comfortable in that. Afterall, about 98% of everyone else does. So they find us mentally-defective or think we can be changed or are just plain weird. *shrug*

Cissexuals have subconscious sexes (gender-identities, brain-sexes) that match their physical sexes. To imagine that one has a 'brain-sex' for most of them is a sheer impossibility. They just cannot imagine having a brain-sex at all, since theirs is considered 'default' brain-sex. Some even make careers based on denying there is such a thing as brain-sex. It just seems that is too 'far out' for them to imagine.

Of course, a lot of those same people didn't realize there was a 'sexual orientation.' Many still do not. The presumption is 'whatever the most of us are is the right way to be. See?' And it's just a mite more complex than that, isn't it?

But, I suppose most of us here have a difficult time imagining what it's like to be a farmer in Rwanda as well. Our struggles and theirs just don't match the experiences of either in the places we live in.

Plus, ever notice how easy it is to say someone else is 'lying' when they tell you something about their thinking, or relationships or lives that you simply cannot imagine being a part of your own?

Our nature appears to be to find distinctions among ourselves, and whoever falls most into a category that is 'usual' or 'normal' seems to enjoy denying the validity of anyone not falling into those categories the same way they do.

But, that's just the way I see it.

Nichole

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Alyssa M.

The TG=gay stereotype is particularly common and infuriating, but it is especially infuriating when it comes from non-TG gay people. I have heard it said "Hey, I'm gay because I like dicks. Why would I want to cut mine off?"  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D  :eusa_wall: :eusa_wall: :eusa_wall:

I find the pity partronizing, the "wow, what a terrible and painful thing it must be to be transsexual." Well, yes, it's a tough road to walk, largely because of people like you, thank you very much. And it always seems to be aimed at those who have transitioned, somehow missing the pain and difficulty of life before transition. (Sorry, I'm just feeling particularly bitter toward certain individuals right now. End of rant.)
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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sneakersjay

Quote from: Alyssa M. on May 13, 2008, 11:58:59 AM
I find the pity partronizing, the "wow, what a terrible and painful thing it must be to be transsexual." Well, yes, it's a tough road to walk, largely because of people like you, thank you very much. And it always seems to be aimed at those who have transitioned, somehow missing the pain and difficulty of life before transition. (Sorry, I'm just feeling particularly bitter toward certain individuals right now. End of rant.)

Exactly!  How has spending 47 years in the wrong body been NOT painful?  And if it weren't for the huge stigma and stereotypes I might have sought more info on transitioning much sooner.  I'm so much closer to my real self than I have been in years, and it's so liberating!!  What's still painful is that I'm not yet passing as male, so I feel kind of like a poser.  Limbo land stinks (language edited to avoid censors!)

Jay


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Lori



MTF's are Gay!

and/or they are a

Man in a dress!



Or gay men in a dresses :P
"In my world, everybody is a pony and they all eat rainbows and poop butterflies!"


If the shoe fits, buy it in every color.
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cindybc

Outside of a brief stretch of being depressed before I came out. What truly prompted me to move on with it was the very actual possibility of committing suicide. Well, maybe I have been blessed by a whole flock of guardian angels from 7th heaven during my transitioning to full time which is now 8 years ago. I have been presenting as a woman and it feels right, and this feels real to me. In the outside world I don't even give it a thought. I am just like any one of the other ladies I encounter during the day.
This is the way it should have been all my life, Well, now that I have graduated the school of transitioning, I am me, I am just another one of the women out there. Well at least I have not had to worry about getting run over by a ->-bleeped-<- hating city bus driver.

Cindy
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gothique11

Ironically, I've actually ran into stereotypes in the trans community itself on occasion. Here are some I've ran into and have been told to me by other trans women -- yes, I've had other trans women telling me to be such and such away etc, Here are some off the top examples of ones I've had, as well as others, and stuff that I over hear with the constant drama that goes on locally, and on the web sometimes:

1. You need to be more girly. Wear skirts more often. Is that a boy t-shirt with a metal band on it you're wearing?
2. It's a waste if you don't like men and get SRS (because, yeah, you can't do anything with your vag in a lesbian relationship).
3. You can't cut your hair short, and you definitely can't buzz it! Long hair is important for "blending in." (Hey, where's those clippers again... hehe)
4. You need to wear more make up, and be sure you look very girly all of the time.
5. WTF? you're MtF and you're a drag king? You can't really be trans, or it must be some form of regret or something.
6. This is what you're supposed to do to transition -- it worked for me, it will work for you.
7. Insert tons of trans drama here about how so and so must not be really trans because they act differently. Be nice to their faces when you see them, then talk behind their backs again.
8. You need to have FFS in order to live as a women, even though you have no issues at the moment with your current face; and then you ask your non-trans friends what they think and they say, "Urm, maybe braces? You look cute to me." Then you realize your friends and loved ones are the ones that actually matter.
9. Bigger boobs = better. And if you don't want big boobs, there must be something wrong with you. Having small boobs and being okay with it is a trans sin.
10. You must be stealth. #11 just can't blend it, so she's got to make us all look bad and stand out.
11. Number 10 is wrong! Being stealth is selfish, fight for our rights!
12. You must use these terms, and not those terms. Don't listen to the other person, they don't know what the are talking about in terms. Especially the person in #13
13. I don't agree with #12's terms, use the terms I use. And WTF? Did you just call SRS "slice-n-dice-to-make-everything-nice" and refer it as your "pussy-cat surgery" as well? That's just plain wrong! Use the correct terms, but not the other ones so and so says, and put two ss in transsexual, not one, and urm, don't just say trans or transgender.
13. You have to speak with a high pitch, a very high pitch, sorta like like Minnie Mouse.


And it goes on and on and on. I just say, "Fu#k you, I'm clearing my own path don't let the door hit your as$ on the way out." I actually find it interesting how many transitioning women focus so much on transitioning and being perfect, they almost lose themselves, but chase after the ideal golden egg. I just do what ever, I do fine, and go along my merry way being myself -- even if others don't agree with my methods... but hey, at least I'm happy and in the end, that's all that matters. I'm not living for everyone else's approval (I lived too many years in my past trying that route). And if some douche bag on the street asking if I'm a dude or a girl, who the fu#k cares; that's one small, insignificant person in the whole scheme of life. Not even a milli-millisecond. So why give that tiny jackas$ so much power over you and your happiness? I just be who I am with out apology.  >:D

--natalie :)

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NicholeW.

Very nice, natalie. I was, by turns, laughing my ass off and feeling enormously proud of you. You have encapsulated a lot of truth in that post. Thanks.

Hugs,

Nichole
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Laura91

Quote from: gothique11 on May 14, 2008, 06:26:08 AM
You have to speak with a high pitch, a very high pitch, sorta like like Minnie Mouse.

:o Wow........Some people actually believe this??..........Wow
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deviousxen

Quote from: Laura91 on May 14, 2008, 08:53:26 AM
Quote from: gothique11 on May 14, 2008, 06:26:08 AM
You have to speak with a high pitch, a very high pitch, sorta like like Minnie Mouse.

:o Wow........Some people actually believe this??..........Wow

See... Thats the thing. My voice is kind of in-between male and female. It can sometimes go quite high. I've heard some girls with more depth to their voices, so maybe it could be calibrated right. My friend also used to tell me that I'd laugh like a girl. So... Maybe it can work out a little... :P
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cindybc

Hi Deviousxen I have the same type of voice and it has served me satisfactorily even before I started transitioning some folks thought I was a woman because of the voice, especially on the phone. Anyway it works fine for me.

Actually I was quite aghast at Natalie's list, but of course I would be down right, probably more hurt then actually angry at all that stuff she has experienced. But I have not. Maybe I lived a sheltered life since I came out but I still kept my old job as a social worker for 6 years and I am at this time still doing social work pretty well every day of the week. I have never realy had much to do with the trans community until just lately where I came back on the scene to see what I could do in the capacity of being a peer supporter worker.

At least I am living a much more happy and fulfilling life.

Cindy
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