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What is/was your hardest part of RLT

Started by stephanie_craxford, August 02, 2005, 08:36:35 PM

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stephanie_craxford

Realistically I start my RLT on August 8th, 2005, but I've been mostly out for a year now.  For myself I know that the hardest thing that I will have to deal with is my voice.  I often wonder if it will give me away.  I haven't any training CD/DVD's but I've been practicing while listening to the radio in my truck on my way to and from work.  Not the best place but at least it's private...  :)

My wife said that my voice is ok, but I've heard the telephone messages I've recorded in my female voice, and they sounded horrible  :(  So I'll work away on that, other than that I pass very well.

So those of you who have started, or have been down this "most real of lifes tests", what was your biggest hurdle or dilemma, and how did you resolve it?
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Sheila

Stephie, I thought my voice was a give away also. I have had no voice training and I do sound male on the telephone, but I put that all behind me as I sound just like my mother (what people have said). My sister can't tell us apart on the phone. My voice is not all that deep, but I was bothered for a while. When I was in Hawaii last month I was talking to a vendor and she said that it was nice to hear from another lady who had a deep voice like hers. We joked around with it, like talking about how we are mistaked for men on the phone and how we make them kind of change their tone when they find out they are talking with women. So don't let that get in your way. Try to keep your voice in a higher pitch and you will just automatically do it after a while. Don't try to sound fake though.

The hardest for me was my size, but as you can see from the previous paragraph, i got over that too. No matter what you have there is a girl who will have the same. The genders are not that far off, only the 'averages' are off and if you compare yourself with Barbie. Its not going to happen.
Sheila
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Cassandra

Steph,

Ditto what Sheila said. I have a naturally high pitched voice and my wife has a very deep voice, at least twice as deep as my own. Some of my friends have said that they like my voice and that it is sexy for a woman. Hasn't stopped me from working on it though.

I sing as part of my voice training. I have a couple of Anita Baker CDs and her singing voice is just perfect for me, so I try to sing like her. She has quite a range from very deep to very high. I can't come near her highs but her lows and mid ranges are just perfect for me.

As far as what has been the hardest for me, since my wife and I run an art gallery I have to talk all day, so my voice gets really tired by the early afternoon. Then the 2:00 slam comes in. The mornings can be slow but the after 2oclock crowd can get pretty large. My voice is already tired, I'll have a dozen people in the gallery all asking questions and I become the hoarse wisperer. Also our office is in a room all the way in the back of the gallery so when someone comes in I find myself coming out of the back room raising my voice to be heard at the other end of the gallery. Believe me my voice has been getting a workout.

Another thing to contend with is your makeup lasting all day. An occasional touchup of powder or foundation is usually necessary especially if your prone to five oclock shadow. I don't have a real problem with that but I do keep a rotary shaver handy. Some days I get no stuble at all and some days I get a little around 5 or so. If we decide to go out after work I do a quick touch up with the rotary and then touch up with powder and freshen the lipstick.

For awhile I wore a waist cincher until I got over the need to look like Barbie. My wife says I look a lot better without it and it sure is more convienient, restroom wise, not to mention I can breath again.
LOL

I guess you only asked for one thing so I'll shut up now. You know me once I get started the post can go on a bit. Of course I'm not nearly as bad as Teri. ;D Not that I don't find her tomes fascinating reading. I love passion in a person and Teri is nothing if not passionate. I did say I was going to shut up now, didn't I?

Good Luck come Monday,


Cassie

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gina_taylor

I've been worried about my voice as well, but about a year ago, a friend told me that I have a raspy sounding voice that hits in the middle so I can sound either feminine or masculine. My friend actually told me this after I finsihed a twenty minute converstaion with a lady about clothing and I never got any bad looks from her and she accepted me as I was . . . which was as a woman.  :) So most times I try to drop my voice down to a whisper and most times I get away with it as long as I'm in control. The only time that I'm thrown off is when I get a phone call and someone asks for my feminine self that I have a problem.

Gina
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LostInTime

We are our own worst critics.  I had one friend I trusted and asked her to let me know whenever the voice floated too far into the male range.  I do have a friend who does voice work and recently set up a nice little recording area in her home.  It was neat to watch the computer disect everything and we worked on a couple of things.  I do not get called Sir when going through the drivethroughs anymore, which has helped out.  Oh, my friend's one bit of advice---read out loud to work on the voice.

As for the hardest part of transition has been gathering up enough courage.  Courage to out myself.  Courage to go to the same place.  Courage to live life rather than hide at home.  My new friends never knew old what's his name and I have been told that they cannot imagine me as a guy.  LOL, it is good to see the hard work pay off.  BTW, I am not that skinny either and I am just shy of six foot.  Once I got my courage where I needed it, my attitude came along as well, and I have far fewer problems than before.

Good luck with transition.  It can be bumpy but it can be a lot fun and educational too.
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AllisonY2K

For me, the hardest part of the RLT has been myself and dealing with my social anxiety and social phobias. I hate going into crowded areas, especially gas stations where there are many people all crowded into one small area of the store (the front checkout). I can deal with one or two people looking at me..I'm 6'6"..I stand out..its going to happen, but I get an anxious feeling when I knowingly walk into a store where there is potential for a lot of people looking at me.

Sure one could pad it and say "well, it's because you're so beautiful" but lets be realisitic..it's because I'm 6'6".
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Terri-Gene

I'd say the hardest part for me has been "getting over it".  I had lived full time for a period years in the past and had in the 90's returned to some crossdressing and dual living, so I thought I understood the RLT environment and should have little problem with it.  How Little I actually understood or knew.

At first I was still some years away from beginning Hormones and other problems had to be addressed before this step could be made, but I made public the identification and began living my new life anyway as I felt I had no other choice.  There were the fights and misunderstandings with my wife of course, but that was simply a bumpy road, then my job went down the tube and a lot of influentual contacts along with it, but I used other skills developed in younger days and managed a living.

Using some of my last existing true friendships, I located a new job in a new location and went through the process of therapy and hormone acceptance and began life again from almost total scratch in an area I had never before spent time in or was known to anyone in regards to my past history and forged ahead.

It was during this time that I began to truely learn about the social aspect.  Before, there was the intolerance of course, but it was always somewhat "toned down" in my case as most people were well aware of how I could and could not be treated in a safe manner and made a lot of allowances for me they would not likely have made for others.  In my new location it was different as I was nothing to them other then another Queer, but at the same time, there was more acceptance of diversity and the environment should have been ideal for me, and has in fact become so, but I had brought with me a highly aggressive defensive posture and attitude that detracted from my personal goal of total integration.

I was my own worst enemy in this goal, as just as I would seem to have achieved it, something would occur which would bring out conditioned responses and actions which were not forseeable in my common everyday presentation, thus accenting my differences from naturally born and raised women, and making what I truely was all that more apparent.  Even among those who accepted me as female, there was doubt I could ever be a socially acceptable woman, as I could not seem to grasp the concept of dealing with adversity on levels other then I had learned by prior experience.  I all to often acted in a very male like manner when things didn't go my way and it had it's effect on many of my relationships.

In my case, I don't believe True Transition began until I began to understand and address these issues and my reluctance to give up male dominance and power dynamics and accept that I would have to learn to adjust to the second class relationship I now had in mainstream society.  An attitude adjustment was needed and so I began work on that both in private and in therapy. 

Since I have begun by degrees to rid myself of unbecomming behavior, I have noticed a positive influence on most of my relations and my own comfort in myself.  Even relationships which have always been good have taken on new demensions of inclusion which only make me more determined to close the lid on the box holding my past and it's influence on me.

So yes, I would have to say that the hardest part of RLT has always been, simply accepting myself rather then my conditioning.

Terri
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laura5

Hi everyone,

I've been "largely" full-time since mid-May 2005, and went 100% when I began liw school in August. 

The hardest part or me I think has been not being able to date or have affairs.  I was separated in Jan '04 and divorced in Oct. '04.  I found it very easy where I live to meet attractive women, and even if I had no "friends" per se, I had enough courtships to keep me fairly happy. 

Now, I have a lot more FRIENDS, but courtship is impossible.  Men stil scare the daylights out of me while women see me as either another woman (which for the most part if fabulous!) or as trans.  Either way, ineligible. 

At the same time, I've kind of backed away from the cross-dressing community I used to turn to for support.  Since I'm full-time, our interests and concerns have drifted apart and it's hard for them to understand the experiences I'm having. 

I miss dating.  I miss intimacy. I miss sex.  I want children.  I'm confident I can find a place for myself eventually in the lesbian community eventually, but I need to be a lot further along in my transition to feel entirely comfortable playing the dating game.   

I put this down to being in my "tweenies".  I think that once my hair grows out and I have FFS at some indeterminate point in the future, things will become much easier, since I'll be able to pass without question.  GRS will make them easier still since I will be able to have normal, seamless intimate relationships. 

Frankly, I find being trans kind of a pain in the neck.  I wish I could simply BE ME without having to spend an hour in the morning getting ready to go out, or going through three years of therapy, hormones & surgery to get there.  It's no surprise to me that the "transition" part of transitioning is a hassle.  But it is a tremendous lifestyle change, and I do miss being able to do some of the things I could before. 

That said, I have little doubt that what I am doing is absolutely the right thing for me.  I just wish it didn't take so long and it weren't so onerous and cumbersome to get to where I want to be.  I'm finding it can be a lonely path sometimes.

Laura
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Sheila

Laura,
I think I would concentrate on the transitioning part of your life. Trying to get involved with someone right now would be desasterous, unless the other person is completely open with a transitioning trans person. You will have a lot of changes going on, emotionally and physically. To try and have a relationship with anyone is very hard to say the least. This is why there are so many divorces in the community. It has been very hard for me and I have been married for 36 years, we know each other so well we finish our sentences for each other. Hope for the best Laura.
Sheila
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Sarah Louise

Laura, you must be a glutton for punishment, trying to go to law school, transition and wanting to date all at the same time.  That seems to be quite an arm full.

When I started transitioning, the last thing I thought about was dating.  It was enough trying to keep my clients and go through the changes I was having.

Sarah
Nameless here for evermore!;  Merely this, and nothing more;
Tis the wind and nothing more!;  Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore!!"
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Cailyn

Quote from: Stephanie Craxford on August 02, 2005, 08:36:35 PM
Realistically I start my RLT on August 8th, 2005, but I've been mostly out for a year now.  For myself I know that the hardest thing that I will have to deal with is my voice.

So those of you who have started, or have been down this "most real of lifes tests", what was your biggest hurdle or dilemma, and how did you resolve it?

Voice.  Still an issue almost a year later.  I haven't had much professional coaching but bought an Internet program and practice using their CD as often as possible.  Since the voice is fulltime, it is beginning to seem more natural; nevertheless, I still have to remain conscious of it to avoid slipping back to a between range (haven't used my old voice in some time and have trouble finding it) or letting certain sounds come out too low.  I have a computer program that allows me to record my voice and look at the range on the monitor.  Very helpful.  I do get "sirred" on the phone, but less and less as I use more inflection.  I always politely correct the person on the other end hoping they'll pause next time before making a aural assumption about gender (wishful thinking). 

Social anxiety.  Was awful at first and accompanied often by "I can't do this!".  I'm a bit obsessive so I just kept going out over and over and over again.  Now, in a place where I'm not known, I feel prettly comfortable, be it the store, restaurant, or just out and about.  It is harder where I'm known (my transition was very public) because many people stare, some are just short of rude (sometimes this may be my imagination), and I feel highly visible all the time even though I dress like any other gg.  I am dealing with this the same way--just keep going out, meeting and talking to people and always trying to put the best face forward.  As someone pointed out, I may be the first transsexual many of these people have seen or met--other than a front page story last year in the paper about another local trannsexual who also happened to be a sex offender.  As it is, I'd prefer to be seen as a woman anyway, but that doesn't seem likely for sometime. 

Stereotypes.  Overcoming the expectations people have is part of it.  People find it easy to be critical of me when they would be unlikely to make such comments to a gg such as: you should wear makeup, or certain types of clothes, or your hair is wrong, or a real woman wouldn't do that!  I am handling this by recognizing internally that I am my own kind of woman and have every right to be myself, then politely telling people that women can be anything they want to be and that includes me.  Hasn't helped much yet.  Old stereotypes die hard. 

Fear of failure, doubt, discrimination and all the other things most of us obsess about.  I don't yet have the ability to ignore bigotry, misogny, and homophobia and these things, thrust in my face are upsetting and occasionally frightening.  Since I can only go forward here, I assume I'll learn to handle these things better.

Cailyn
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Northern Jane

I have been finding these posts so very interesting as your experiences are so different from my own circumstances.

I started living a double life very early (about age 13), mostly away from my small town home. There were a very few carefully selected people in town that knew of this dual role - all kids my own age - and they were pretty accepting. With the advantage of youth and an "alter ego" VERY different in appearance from my male role, no one ever clued in that "we" were the same person. (I ran into a picture of myself at about age 18 a few years ago and it took me a LONG time to figure out who it was!) A little later in life (around age 15) I discovered some MtF in a major city not too far away and began spending weekends there. Some were a bit older than me and were a big help in learning to do makeup, clothes, and other feminine things. Since the age of majority was 21, my objective was to accompany my friends to the (straight) clubs and no get "carded" - of course NONE of us wanted to be "clocked" and it very seldom happened. Some of the girls were absolute knock-outs!

I never did a RLT (by today's standards) but, by age 24, I had been living the dual role for a decade. "Transition" for me was leaving my home town as a male and landing in a different city a few weeks later as a female. I had unshakable confidence in myself as a woman and lots of practice "passing" so I never even thought about it. It was not a factor, neither was doubt!

QuoteI don't yet have the ability to ignore bigotry, misogyny, and homophobia

It's been 32 years and NEITHER DO I! I have always been outspoken on issues of intolerance and rattled some pretty big cages in the last 3 decades but people just see that as part of the woman I am.

To all in transition {{{HUG}}}
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ILoveTSWomen

Very short post.

My observation and preference really.. I love a woman with a husky, breathless type of voice.. no high whiny voices plz...
DennisInGA
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Cassandra

Well you probably wouldn't like mine Dennis. I have always been naturally high. not whiny though. More of a southern lilt.

Cassie
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ILoveTSWomen

Souther lilt works Cassie - just not whiny  :)

DennisInGA
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stephanie_craxford

Quote from: tinkerbell on July 27, 2006, 07:07:40 PM
My voice, my voice, always that darn voice.....
But since then I've come a very long way....with the help of speech therapy, tapes, and lots of training and sore throats. 


tinkerbell 

My voice is so much better now since I posted that back in August.  I've been seeing a speech pathologist for about two months now and the improvement is wonderful.  I don't feel any where near as bad as I used to.

Steph
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Melissa

So far, it's trying to hide the facial hair that hasn't been lasered off yet.

Melissa
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