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Started by const, June 12, 2008, 07:17:14 AM

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const

Okay, I've been learning quite a bit lately. Nichole hinted me on this. I may very well be a manipulative person. I'm trying to be honest with myself. If I'm just a bad case of being manipulative, then so be it...Nothing I can do about it if it is true. Just everyone steer clear of me...Everyone give me your honest opinion. Do I act like a manipulative person?


QuoteThe Phony
Nothing about this individual is true in nature. They smile to your face, laugh at your jokes, agree with your ideas, and appear to be extremely chummy with you. Meanwhile, they are laughing at you, talking about you, and betraying you at every turn to anyone and everyone else if you have unknowingly crossed them. They instigate problems with you and others, only to leave you wondering how the problems began in the first place. This character also parades themselves touting their high morals and principles, devotion to their religion, or truth in their words. They may also try to appear wealthier than they may be, or happier with their lives than anyone else.

The truth about the phony is that they are anything but what they say they are to you. Never take their word for it, see it in their action and that is where the truth will be.

The Sweet Talker(Controller)
This person knows how to talk their way into anything. Seemingly innocent in nature, they tend to take the role of 'nice' person often. They are cordial, friendly, and polite and leave a positive impression upon you initially. These people tend to be difficult to figure since they are not necessarily as obviously fake as the phony.

This individual is the one that knows how to influence everyone into making a choice that is favorable to the sweet talker. He or she may be able to sway a group to eat at her choice restaurant or see his choice movie. This extends beyond being a decision maker, but also playing a leading role in any situation. These people cannot share the spotlight or the power and feel threatened when anyone in any situation (work, family, group of friends) starts to get noticed. They then sweet talk their way into being sure that no one takes away their role as leader or decision maker.

The Deceiver
Those that use deception at will to gain control or power are the deceivers. A clear way to notice a deceiver is when you catch them in their own web of lies. This, however, can be very difficult to do because they are such pro's at deceiving they are able to cover up any suspicion by casting doubt on you yourself.

Things they may say to try and fuddle you can be: "I didn't say that, I said...." or "Actually, I told you that this is what happened, don't you remember?" or "Oh yeah, but then this happened and then that..."

They are quite good at covering their tracks and it proves to be difficult to nail them unless you have another person to verify and fact check.

The Distorter
These people live in their own fantasy world. They make up anything to prove their point, whether its true or not, and they believe it to boot! It is strange to imagine what goes on in their heads, but ultimately its one the of the hardest types of people to reason with. In fact, these are the people that create wild stories to give the impression that they know everything about everything.

The reason why a distorter can be dangerous is that if the person they are talking to does not realize they are speaking from a twisted sort of reality, then every word they say can be held as truth. Rumors start from these type of people, and they spread quickly.

The best way to handle this type of person is to simply take anything they say as a grain of salt.

The Victim
I saved the victim for last because I believe these are the worst type of manipulators. I say they are the worst because they will do anything in their power to get everyone to believe they were wronged. They never take any responsibility for any problems they may be involved in and always look to blame someone else. They have no respect for others, but demand respect for themselves. When you point out their inconsistencies, they accuse you of being just like everyone else and continue to bemoan their neverending sorrows.

If they have ever felt unhappy with someone, they call and speak to everyone about it and do their best to turn whoever they are speaking to against the person they have angst against. If possible, it is best to cut all ties to the victim or distance as much as you can. Close ties with this drama queen type will only increase stress in your life.
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NicholeW.

Ya know, Poly. We all manipulate. Body-wise we use our minds and our hands to manipulate nature in order to make and have things we want: cars, toasters, missles (boo) and clothing.

We all manipulate other people as well. Some do it 'nicely.' They coddle and compliment, smile, are vulnerable to others, etc. Some do it harshly, or in other ways.

Anyhow, to say you are manipulative is not a bad thing. It's a human thing. Like I've said before: we are social animals. We do the things we feel are necessary to get ourselves social, interactive, attention from others of our kind. We form pair-bonds and socieities, we often communally care for our young.

There is nothing a priori bad about manipulation. Sometimes though we manipulate things so very relentlessly to get a lot, or most, of another's attention, or a group's attention, that we make others uncomfortable, or resentful. Generally, people who do so have a great fear of being left alone.

We feel that we are always not good enough, not loveable enough or not wantable enough for others to love and care for us as we are. Generally, that is because through, usually, no real fault of our own, our lives have passed through events and people who ingrained within us a sense of being unacceptable, not good enough, to get the attention we all crave and require for a positive life.

So, Poly, if you are manipulative, just know that makes you human, like everyone else who comes to Susan's. That is something you don't have to change, being manipulative. You may need to toned-down or somehow change the tactics of your manipulation to better feel comfortable to others. But, luv, as long as you're human; you will be manipulative. So will we all.

Nichole
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const

I am a meany... I probably am a manipulator..I didn't even know about it either...I feel so ashamed for being so evil...Hell, can you even trust what I'm saying right now? This sucks I'm going to lose everyones trust and faith that I'm what I seem...God, I feel so wretched...

This also makes me wonder about something...Is Nichole withholding information from poly?

God, now I really feel like I don't belong on this forum...About the only place I belong is good ole hell...
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NicholeW.

Nichole withholds all sorts of information from everyone on this forum and from everyone in 'real life' as well. As do you. As does everyone else here. As does everyone else, period. But, the point of the post isn't being withheld from you. It's true, I believe, of us all.

But, here's the other thing you are missing, Poly. I am not responsible for how you feel about yourself, or think. I just put the info out there to try and assist you in learning and feeling better about yourself. What you choose to do with that is your choice.

Nichole
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const

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But, here's the other thing you are missing, Poly. I am not respopnsible for how you feel about yourself, or think. I just put the info out there to try and assist you in learning and feeling better about yourself. What you choose to do with that is your choice.

BOO! *throws tomatoes at Nichole*  Get off the stage!!! You suck at giving me some hope that I'm not a manipulative person..

Honestly, you are right. I know what I am now. I'm just the devil in disguise..  >:D
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NicholeW.

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Poly,

Please leave the topic here. There was no reason to delete it. So, I moved it back into the open boards. You may remove you own posts if you wish. Leave mine here, please. But, I would suggest you leave your own as well. Your posts add context and they allow people to know you a bit better.

If you truly want a trial you don't want to get rid of things that might mitigate in your favor.  :laugh: :laugh: But, you don't need a trial, do you. You seem to be doing better this afternoon.

Very nice.

N~
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Nero

This topic has been put back into place in the hope others may benefit from this discussion
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Shana A

Quote from: polymorphic on June 12, 2008, 07:17:14 AM
Okay, I've been learning quite a bit lately. Nichole hinted me on this. I may very well be a manipulative person. I'm trying to be honest with myself. If I'm just a bad case of being manipulative, then so be it...Nothing I can do about it if it is true. Just everyone steer clear of me...Everyone give me your honest opinion. Do I act like a manipulative person?

Hi Poly,

As I've said previously, that isn't necessarily a question for others to answer for you. You need to look at yourself to see the answer. And then figure out what you want to do about it. As Nichole said, we all do it. But we each can make choices about how we behave.

Utah Phillips, a great man who passed away recently, said, we are all violent. You got to wake up in the morning, look at ourselves in the mirror, and say, yeah, I'm violent. And then make a choice not to act in violence.

It's a choice.

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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const

Yes, I must be now tortured for being a devil incarnate.  >:D I thought I had seen the last of this thread. Nope...

Honestly, I don't know if I'm manipulative. I do resemble a manipulative person in some respects through...

Put this topic back where it belongs! IN MY BLOG!
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NicholeW.

So talk about it here and let others join in. This topic could become really popular if you'd let it. I imagine most of us have been told we are, or think we are, or afraid we are.

Your other topic took off without Z, Buffy, Dennis and me in it. This one can too.

Poly, you are making some good topic discussion threads. You're asking questions about things that affect most of us. That's good!! You're doing what the board is meant for!!

Nichole


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const

*Shows their evil eye to Nichole* Just remember this will not be taken lightly in the future mortal...  :icon_burn: :icon_burn: :icon_burn: :icon_burn: :icon_burn:

Hell is actually a pretty tolerant place. I mean unlike heaven everyone is welcome in hell.

Actually this topic may serve a good purpose. I may hear from Jaimey again.  :D
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Shana A

Quote from: polymorphic on June 12, 2008, 05:38:24 PM
Yes, I must be now tortured for being a devil incarnate.  >:D I thought I had seen the last of this thread. Nope...

Hehe, the "son/daughter of thread returns III" appearing in a theater near you this summer >:D

Seriously though, stick around Poly and keep posting.

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Kimberly

Quote from: polymorphic on June 12, 2008, 05:38:24 PM
Yes, I must be now tortured for being a devil incarnate.  >:D
That is neither funny nor amusing.

Quote from: polymorphic on June 12, 2008, 05:38:24 PM
Honestly, I don't know if I'm manipulative. I do resemble a manipulative person in some respects through...
I tend to think most people are to an extent. An in the same if something of your behavior bothers you, why not endeavour to change it?
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const

Well..I didn't ask to see this thread again. I removed it for a reason. And right now, I might remove it again...I'm starting to get a little pestered now with people doing stuff I didn't want...

QuoteThat is neither funny nor amusing.

Aww...I'm sorry. I didn't know...Next time I'll try to be someone else.

I won't deny it; I do try to change. Unfortunately, I tend to think change is an illusion. So, it is kind of hard when you have such a bad outlook on things.
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Kimberly


Quote from: polymorphic on June 12, 2008, 08:11:59 PM
Well..I didn't ask to see this thread again. I removed it for a reason. And right now, I might remove it again...I'm starting to get a little pestered now with people doing stuff I didn't want...

The problem with having expectations of others is that they can disappoint. Let them live their own lives. Perhaps even cherish them for the diversity they bring. If everyone did everything I wanted that would be intolerable very fast. But, that said, I do sympathise with you. When I delete something I do expect it to stay deleted, but the staff here is pretty good people with good hearts.

Quote from: polymorphic on June 12, 2008, 08:11:59 PM
Aww...I'm sorry. I didn't know...Next time I'll try to be someone else.
*nudge* Just be you. Really, that can be hard enough. An besides, the world has too many elses already. It needs more yous. (More individuals; especially those willing to be individual despite things.) -- at least so I think ;)


*curtsey*
(an I mean that.)
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buttercup

Quote from: polymorphic on June 12, 2008, 08:11:59 PM
Well..I didn't ask to see this thread again. I removed it for a reason. And right now, I might remove it again...I'm starting to get a little pestered now with people doing stuff I didn't want...

QuoteThat is neither funny nor amusing.

Aww...I'm sorry. I didn't know...Next time I'll try to be someone else.

I won't deny it; I do try to change. Unfortunately, I tend to think change is an illusion. So, it is kind of hard when you have such a bad outlook on things.


Why are you playing with people on here?  This is not a game!  I think you enjoy upsetting everyone and being a naughty kid.  I thought at first you were a troubled person, but I think you're just in this for the kicks. 
You're not evil, or manipulative, just a very naughty boy!  ::) 
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const

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Why are you playing with people on here?  This is not a game!  I think you enjoy upsetting everyone and being a naughty kid.  I thought at first you were a troubled person, but I think you're just in this for the kicks.
You're not evil, or manipulative, just a very naughty boy!

Not true. Although I won't actually divulge what I suffer from or my speculation about what I might suffer from, I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm here to make friends and get help at the same time. Of course, there is nothing I can do to truly convince you. Please do not hint me at my gender. I don't like having my gender shoved in my face. I don't like being seen as a damn male, boy, man, whatever. I mean there is a f**ken reason I haven't disclosed my gender to the world.

Anyone else want to take a shot at poly? I mean I can't really fight back against intolerance. Who else wants to make me feel worse than I am...

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Sarah Louise

I am sorry Polymorphic, I don't care what gender you are.  It makes no difference to me.  I don't care what you suffer from or think you suffer from.  The point is most people here have tried to offer support to you and creative suggestions.

You return it sometimes with thanks and other times lashing out, either being rude or saying look at me, feel sorry for me.

You need to slow down, relax and be civil and friendly to these people, no matter how they have responded.

And to all others, try to use a little common sense and not leave little hidden bombs that would set anyone off.

None of us are perfect.

Sarah L.
Nameless here for evermore!;  Merely this, and nothing more;
Tis the wind and nothing more!;  Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore!!"
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