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Been Struggling A Lot... Any Ideas? (Trans and nonTrans Issues)

Started by Elwood, June 24, 2008, 10:39:19 PM

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Elwood

I'm going to list a few issues I've been having... partially to vent but I also wouldn't mind your thoughts... I put this in general discussion because not all the issues are transgender related.

I actually have almost completely lost interest in romance... I feel detached. Not even just detached, but entirely uninterested. Sex isn't a problem fantasizing about, but I avoid it because I can't really "release." masturbations only really causes me emotional pain. I've reached a point where I avoid thinking about any sort of intimacy, and this greatly distances me from people. What is even more painful is that I want it but I get a numb feeling when I think about it.

None of my parents (I've got 4 as a result of a divorce) take my GID seriously. My dad thinks I might be hypochondriac and my mom thinks I'm suffering from post-traumatic stress. Neither of them can really comfort me in regards to my gender dysphoria, even though I know both of them want to help. My mom is anti-transition, where my dad just wants to make sure it's "really" GID. But that doubt still really hurts me, even though it's just a precaution. My step dad thinks it's just a phase and my step mom has actually been pretty supportive (she isn't PRO transition, but she's there for me when I need her).

My parents (all 4 of them) want me to fit more into the "social norm." That is, the social norm of a young girl. It's also a struggle. My dad makes hints, where my step mom tries positive suggestions (like we're going to practice sewing together, which I don't think is a "guy" or "girl" thing, but some people might think it is). In the mean time, my dad supports some of the masculinity. We're going to work with construction (building houses for poor people, to be exact) and maybe even some mechanics (he supports me getting an old car only if I invest time in learning how to repair cars).

Here's an example of some of the struggle:

Today I was in JCPenny with my dad for about 15 minutes. He very carefully and purposefully dodged the men's department and exposed me to all the women's departments, where I ended up thoroughly bored until I saw some watches. I thought he'd be okay with the adjustments but I guess even he is uncomfortable seeing his "beautiful daughter dressed like a little man." It's all very frustrating, because no one seems to respect my gender identity, or even hardly acknowledge it... At the same time, I'm sure my dad didn't notice how badly I wanted to look at the men's shoes. I'm sure he also doesn't know (and I don't really want him to know, lol) how bad I want boy's socks and underwear...

A lot of my passions have died over the past few weeks, and I didn't notice this happening. It happened very gradually. First, my obsessions died down to just things I like. I saw that as a positive thing. But now I find it hard to feel compassion for others. I used to be enamored with the idea of being in love, and now I am uninterested. One of my favorite comedians, George Carlin, died a few days ago. I thought I would have at least cried, but no. I felt a short bitter sadness, and shrugged it off. This behavior isn't like me, and I'm actually somewhat afraid of what the feelings might mean.

I've been getting gradually more angry over the past couple weeks as well. I feel unacknowledged. Everyone seems to think my gender identity is some sort of game or joke. But the symptoms are slowly getting worse. Today a guy was being really nice to me in my art class. Nice enough that I thought I could like him. He's talented, sweet, even attractive. But I had to shake it off because I realized that with my complications, I can't be in love. He can't see me as a man and love me that way and I can't be the girl he probably wants. My gender dysphoria takes sex and most other forms of intimacy out of the picture. Even hugging people can make me feel dysphoria, because the very act makes me more aware of my own body.

I've been getting mad to the point that my face flushes and I feel tension in my arms. Mind you, I have not started HRT so there is not "chemical" reason for this. I have started working out more, but I thought that would relieve stress.

I said some of this in another thread:
I don't get good sensations from my feminine areas. It feels wrong to me. When I have my period, it's like a wound. I feel like I'm really bleeding. I have the flight or fight response to the sight of my own menstrual blood. And masturbation is out of the question. I can't make it work out, because feminine stimulation feels wrong no matter how I try it. I haven't relieved myself in a good year or more. I don't need a penis to feel complete, but it is hard to know that my sex life will never really exist.

People tell me that strap-ons work just fine. I am not here to proclaim that things are harder for me than anyone else, but "tools" don't work for me. I've tried a lot of things. It just makes me feel more dysphoria because I have to "face the music." I have to be intimate with my body and that makes me feel like ->-bleeped-<-. I've heard transmen say they can have vaginal sex, can internally and externally masturbate, and all of those things. I am not jealous, but I do feel a twist in my gut when I think about it. That they have a "somewhat" easier time because they can relieve themselves. I am NOT saying they're dysphoria is any easier, but they can somehow "forget" about it long enough to get a good fapping in. I just sometimes wish I were so lucky.

People say I'm not trans enough because I sometimes "act like a girl." The giggles, the dancing, the frollicing. I keep trying to explain to them that the stereotypes don't matter. I tell them, look at a gay man. Not just any gay man, but a flaming, flamboyant, effeminate one. Do they doubt for a second that he's a man? Well, maybe, but they will call him "male." And they will call him a "him." They just might not call him a "real man." But in any case, I've made it clear to those who doubt me that I am gay, and if those stereotypes are biological, well, that explains a lot, doesn't it!

And well, there's more. I've been pretty depressed, too.

The main issue is the anger. Anger management techniques (breathing slowly, distraction, doing things I love) isn't strong enough to prevent me from steaming up after the exercise. I am afraid it could get really bad.

I was so angry and a drawing I did today in my art class that I punched my desk a little and ripped the paper out the the sketchbook (rather dramatically) before shoving it forcefully into the trashcan and returning to my seat in a huff. Fortunately, my neighbor thought it was funny that I got so many at my art work, so I didn't scare anyone.

Thanks for anyone who took the time to read the clutter.
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NicholeW.

I read it all, Elwood. And remember it all as well.

I can give you the saw that "it will all get better with time." Or the one that says "well, when you begin transition with hormones it'll get better." Or "pay no attention to all the BS and just be yourself." But, I have this deep feeling that none of those will be any good for you.

Your life is right now, and thinking that something will change over time doesn't mean much when one's life is anger-making and seemingly hopeless for relief right now.

So, I'll just say ... nothing, except I did read all of your post and it touched me. It helped me remember so very much. And now, just this.
:icon_hug: :icon_hug: :icon_hug: :icon_hug: :icon_hug: :icon_hug:  :icon_bunch:

Nichole




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Purple Pimp

I really haven't got anything to add since I'm not trained in helping you deal with the issues you're facing right now, but I do hope that it gets better.  The venting does help, I think.

Again, not trained in counseling, but on the masturbation front, have you tried any exercises or alternatives?  I do know that there are dildos (the sort that women use to "peg" their boyfriends with) that have a sort of ball/protrusion on the inside that stimulates the clitoris.  Just a suggestion.

Lia
First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you would do. -- Epictetus
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Elwood

You've both given me exactly what I need. A listening ear and a little compassion. Thank you very much for being here. :)

As for the masturbation issue, I have not really tried a specially designed device. It's on my list of things to try when I go to a weird funky sex store and buy edible underwear-- to eat. But I don't go to places like that often (or ever). I thought of purchasing one online, but the chances of my parents finding it is just way too high right now... That might be something that'll have to wait until after I'm a real independent adult.
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Osiris

Get a back massager from wal-mart, riteaid, whatever. That can hold you over until you get something more freaky. lol
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lady amarant

Hey Elwood,

I wish I could give some amazingly good advice to see you through all this, but I'm sadly not exactly qualified either. The sex issue is ... problematic, because I'm in much the same boat as you, only in reverse, being MtF. I hate interacting with that bit of me in any way, and while I know that this might be problematic for surgery later ... I just can't. So no advice, but I understand where you are coming from. *HUGS*

As to the anger issues ... If you haven't yet, invest in a punching-bag. A huge big heavy one. I know it's an old cliche, but where nothing else helps, letting it out in a safe and secure environment does, and I can recommend it from experience. Just make sure you know how to punch properly, or you will hurt yourself. - being somewhat supportive, you could maybe get your dad to show you how to make a fist properly, and you could start doing pushups on your knuckles to train your wrists. Elbows are also very good weapons. ;) I'd also suggest you take up a martial art, an external art like Karate or Tae Kwon Do. The combination of discipline, internal quietness and violent exertion is a very good way of learning to control your emotions. Just make sure you find a teacher who does do internal work as well.

I hope it helps honey.

~Simone.
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Janet_Girl

My Dearest Sweet Elwood,

I cant really help you with the masturbation issue.  Because I too do not have any kinda desire in that area.  I haven't for years, but visualization might help.  Try using fantasies, you already know what I mean.

As for the angry I agree. Use a punching bag or try the Martial Arts.  Also try yoga.  Your parental units might not object because it is kinda girly, but a lot of men do it.  Or Tai Chi.  Very popular with Asian people of both genders and all ages.

And always remember you have your family here, and we'll let you rant all you want.

:icon_hug::icon_hug::icon_hug: and  :-* :-* :-*,  my sweet 'son'.

Love Janet
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Nero

Hi Elwood.

Yes, I read it all and I give a ->-bleeped-<-. To be honest - you need some relief. Orgasms relieve stress and everything else.
And no matter what - accepting the fact you were born with this body will do wonders for you.
It hurts. It freaking hurts to bleed when you know you're a man. It does. It's hell. I know.

But you've got to accept that you were born this way and that it freaking sucks. You can't do anything if you can't accept yourself and what you are.
It's so goddamn unfair. You're a man born this way while other men don't even realize how damn lucky they are.
I know.
But no matter what you do, what surgeries you get, you just got to accept this reality.
And you just got to let yourself enjoy sex. And pleasure. You GOT to.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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cindybc

Hi Elwood, I have read your post. Don't have much to comment on except that I can see where some of your problem might be, and that is, attitude, misunderstanding, unwillingness to accept or try to understand your desire to transition from F/M, and also possibilety that these folks (family) around you are unwilling to change their beliefs and are possibly the biggest road block in your life at this time. I realy don't know what I can say except that maybe it's time to reevaluate the intentions of folks around you. Discuss your problems with a qualified gender therapist or shrink and just continue from that point

Well as for me I didn't have much of a choice but to let go and let God with my family. They chose to disown me, not I. I had to move forward and in order to do that I went ahead full steam, well aware I may be alienated by my family for keeps, I was. As for sex I have no problems with that, I just haven't had the urge to do so for some time now. Sensations are there but just don't have the interest in it.

I will send prayers that all will go well for you.

Cindy
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amie

Quote from: Elwood on June 24, 2008, 10:39:19 PM
I'm going to list a few issues I've been having... partially to vent but I also wouldn't mind your thoughts... I put this in general discussion because not all the issues are transgender related.

I actually have almost completely lost interest in romance... I feel detached. Not even just detached, but entirely uninterested. Sex isn't a problem fantasizing about, but I avoid it because I can't really "release." masturbations only really causes me emotional pain. I've reached a point where I avoid thinking about any sort of intimacy, and this greatly distances me from people. What is even more painful is that I want it but I get a numb feeling when I think about it.

None of my parents (I've got 4 as a result of a divorce) take my GID seriously. My dad thinks I might be hypochondriac and my mom thinks I'm suffering from post-traumatic stress. Neither of them can really comfort me in regards to my gender dysphoria, even though I know both of them want to help. My mom is anti-transition, where my dad just wants to make sure it's "really" GID. But that doubt still really hurts me, even though it's just a precaution. My step dad thinks it's just a phase and my step mom has actually been pretty supportive (she isn't PRO transition, but she's there for me when I need her).

My parents (all 4 of them) want me to fit more into the "social norm." That is, the social norm of a young girl. It's also a struggle. My dad makes hints, where my step mom tries positive suggestions (like we're going to practice sewing together, which I don't think is a "guy" or "girl" thing, but some people might think it is). In the mean time, my dad supports some of the masculinity. We're going to work with construction (building houses for poor people, to be exact) and maybe even some mechanics (he supports me getting an old car only if I invest time in learning how to repair cars).

Here's an example of some of the struggle:

Today I was in JCPenny with my dad for about 15 minutes. He very carefully and purposefully dodged the men's department and exposed me to all the women's departments, where I ended up thoroughly bored until I saw some watches. I thought he'd be okay with the adjustments but I guess even he is uncomfortable seeing his "beautiful daughter dressed like a little man." It's all very frustrating, because no one seems to respect my gender identity, or even hardly acknowledge it... At the same time, I'm sure my dad didn't notice how badly I wanted to look at the men's shoes. I'm sure he also doesn't know (and I don't really want him to know, lol) how bad I want boy's socks and underwear...

A lot of my passions have died over the past few weeks, and I didn't notice this happening. It happened very gradually. First, my obsessions died down to just things I like. I saw that as a positive thing. But now I find it hard to feel compassion for others. I used to be enamored with the idea of being in love, and now I am uninterested. One of my favorite comedians, George Carlin, died a few days ago. I thought I would have at least cried, but no. I felt a short bitter sadness, and shrugged it off. This behavior isn't like me, and I'm actually somewhat afraid of what the feelings might mean.

I've been getting gradually more angry over the past couple weeks as well. I feel unacknowledged. Everyone seems to think my gender identity is some sort of game or joke. But the symptoms are slowly getting worse. Today a guy was being really nice to me in my art class. Nice enough that I thought I could like him. He's talented, sweet, even attractive. But I had to shake it off because I realized that with my complications, I can't be in love. He can't see me as a man and love me that way and I can't be the girl he probably wants. My gender dysphoria takes sex and most other forms of intimacy out of the picture. Even hugging people can make me feel dysphoria, because the very act makes me more aware of my own body.

I've been getting mad to the point that my face flushes and I feel tension in my arms. Mind you, I have not started HRT so there is not "chemical" reason for this. I have started working out more, but I thought that would relieve stress.

I said some of this in another thread:
I don't get good sensations from my feminine areas. It feels wrong to me. When I have my period, it's like a wound. I feel like I'm really bleeding. I have the flight or fight response to the sight of my own menstrual blood. And masturbation is out of the question. I can't make it work out, because feminine stimulation feels wrong no matter how I try it. I haven't relieved myself in a good year or more. I don't need a penis to feel complete, but it is hard to know that my sex life will never really exist.

People tell me that strap-ons work just fine. I am not here to proclaim that things are harder for me than anyone else, but "tools" don't work for me. I've tried a lot of things. It just makes me feel more dysphoria because I have to "face the music." I have to be intimate with my body and that makes me feel like ->-bleeped-<-. I've heard transmen say they can have vaginal sex, can internally and externally masturbate, and all of those things. I am not jealous, but I do feel a twist in my gut when I think about it. That they have a "somewhat" easier time because they can relieve themselves. I am NOT saying they're dysphoria is any easier, but they can somehow "forget" about it long enough to get a good fapping in. I just sometimes wish I were so lucky.

People say I'm not trans enough because I sometimes "act like a girl." The giggles, the dancing, the frollicing. I keep trying to explain to them that the stereotypes don't matter. I tell them, look at a gay man. Not just any gay man, but a flaming, flamboyant, effeminate one. Do they doubt for a second that he's a man? Well, maybe, but they will call him "male." And they will call him a "him." They just might not call him a "real man." But in any case, I've made it clear to those who doubt me that I am gay, and if those stereotypes are biological, well, that explains a lot, doesn't it!

And well, there's more. I've been pretty depressed, too.

The main issue is the anger. Anger management techniques (breathing slowly, distraction, doing things I love) isn't strong enough to prevent me from steaming up after the exercise. I am afraid it could get really bad.

I was so angry and a drawing I did today in my art class that I punched my desk a little and ripped the paper out the the sketchbook (rather dramatically) before shoving it forcefully into the trashcan and returning to my seat in a huff. Fortunately, my neighbor thought it was funny that I got so many at my art work, so I didn't scare anyone.

Thanks for anyone who took the time to read the clutter.
Quite naturally, for me anyway, because I am who I am in my heart and mind, I can't relate to some of your desires due to the fact that I'm a misplaced girl. Nonetheless, I'd like to try. Here goes, huh? First, I did relate strongly on the sex dealio. I lost true intrest in sex a long time ago because all it did was make me envious to the point of bitter discontent. Here I was providing for this girl the affection I've desired for years. It was like plugging into an animated reflection of sort: I could picture myself enjoying and looking/acting much in the way she would cause I longed for and know,despite my anatomic prison, how wonderful that feels. Sometimes I just wanted to cry but abstained for the benefit of her comfort. When I was younger, I would sometimes muster the courage to ask one of my girlfriends to give me a passionate hickee while grabbing my behind. I requested this so as to try and better imagine a man's warm affection. So yeah, I too know what its like to be frustrated with sex, due not to an inability to satisfy myself or attain the assistance elsewhere, but from the impossibility of the proper application. My best friend, the best I could possibly ever ask for in any lifetime, was my last girlfriend and my first to come out to. She's a very affectionate sweetheart of a lady that hugs (or attempts to hug) me numerous times daily. I often feel like a true bitch cozi all too often post resistance to it-often offering some BS excuse as to why I wasn't receptive. Yours is a very brave soul. I have a carefully selected collection of people that know about me and I'm too much a coward to gamble on the acceptance of anyone else. Please, acknowledge that strength in yourself. I can relate on the clothing deal as well. The other day I was in Macy's (and this is a common occurance mind you) browsing through the lady's section and discovered a clearance bin with hats n' hosiery in it. It wasn't long b4 a coupla girls walked up gabbin' n' lookin' to find a few deals, noticed me sifting through the items tryin' to do the same. You can probably guess accurately when I tell yu they directed a contemptuous look my way and laughed. I was ambivilant with fear and anger: fearful they were gonna attract the attention of others yet angry at both thier nonacceptance and my cowardess. As far as the parents go on the acceptance deal, Momma was a true sweetheart with her reaction and has been more so a friend ever since. My father on the other hand, would probably not only shun me, but make attempts to convince others in the family to do the same. As far as the anger is concerned, I get angry too but in ways I consider worse than physical. I'll often sit around thinking of my hellish position and start damning God. Please don't do this. It results in an even lonelier feeling and does its fair share in draining you of hope. I've just recently joined this kind place in the hopes I find some degree of peace and means to deal with my plight. You strike me as a very intelligent kid and have considerably more time than I do to get out in front of this thing to implament damage-control tactics. You've already got me beat on the initiation grade in that you came out young. I now truly regret not doing the same. Try choosing a dear friend to confide in. If they already know about your GID status, try easing into some of the contributing emotional taxations you so bravely posted on our site. Keep me posted on your attempt at progress, will yu? From what I read, I feel/know you have the capacities to find a reasonable solution.
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Dennis

It is a rough time, the time right at the beginning of transition. Yours is complicated by the fact that your parents are still such a big part of your life (plus you have so many of them!). Like Nichole, I won't diminish what you're going through by saying 'it will get better', but many of us have found that parents will take us more seriously once we start presenting as our target gender, and in the case of guys, once our voice changes and we start appearing more male.

If it helps, your parents' motivation is likely love for you and concern for you being hurt by appearing different. Once they see that you're functioning fine in your new life, that part of it will ease their minds.

The sex/genital dysphoria part waxes and wanes for me. Perhaps it will do the same for you. T gives you a mad sex drive, but even with that, the distress caused by the wrong parts can come back. Some guys do fine with the bits they were born with, some get fine with the bits they were born with. All I can do is make it a minor concern in my mind and think about other things. With my pattern, I know it will decrease again at some point. At the beginning of transition though, it is hard to minimize such things because transition looms so big in the mind. And there is a lot to think about - concern about the future, concern about your relationships with others, concern about what step to take next.

Try and get through it as best you can man, we are here for you to vent at when it gets difficult.

Dennis
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Janet_Girl

Elwood MY Dear,

Amie said:
QuoteI'll often sit around thinking of my hellish position and start damning God. Please don't do this. It results in an even lonelier feeling and does its fair share in draining you of hope.

I did this to about 25 years ago, I started hating myself and the world. I ended up in jail over something stupid.  I was so full of hate.  This time, I when I started, I told God that it was His fault that I was the way I am.  But I told him that if He made me this way then it was up to Him to do something about it.  Now I am not religious by any means, but "I let go and let God". Since then I have been blessed many times by Him.
It is true that I have lost somethings but in my life it has been a blessing.  I have accomplished so much that it scares me some times.  But I have placed my trust in God and He is leading me to where He wants me.

Remember that I Love You and Care about You.  You will get thru this.  I know it is a something that you did not want to here, but it is true.

Love,
Janet
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cindybc

Hi Janet hon, I love you thoughts and feelings. Have a wonderful day.

Cindy
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Elwood

Thanks a lot, everyone.

I know a lot of my issue is that I don't have that God to go to. Without religion, I don't have that "always listening" voice there for me, and I'll be damned if I'm going to "pretend" God is there. I have to really believe God is there for talking to God to have any effect. But yes, being atheist certainly doesn't help me find peace.

I think I will come through this-- eventually. And I'll never be truly happy, at the top of the world. There will always be that part of me that knows I was born and raised wrong, wishing I could have grown up the right way. I just have to keep hoping that my current actions and future actions won't mess up "growing up" for me. I may be 18, but I feel perpetually stuck before puberty because my body isn't responding the way it should have 5 years ago.

My therapists have made it clear that we'll go "slow and easy" on transition. My counselor said it could be 18 months to 2 years before I am on testosterone, which at this point seems like an unbearable wait. I am not saying I would ever harm myself TO accelerate transition, but maybe they'll listen to me if/when I crack. I'm sure anyone would crack if the doctor had the hormones in their hand but was withholding it because I'm "too young." I've heard of plenty of 16 year old transguys getting testosterone. What makes them any older than me? They're 16, I'm 18. So why am I not old enough?

I wonder if my more angry and violent tendencies have anything to do with "falling into" my gender identity. I do hear that men are more angry people, and such. But I don't want it to become an issue I have to fight on a regular basis. I'm not saying I'd refuse T in that event, but... I'm not even on T and I'm already punching things.

I am ready to be rejected or outcasted by people who know my birthsex. The main issue with it all is that I want a social job... I want to act, but transsexuals are usually exploited and typecasted only into transsexual roles. I'd really prefer to play a male role. Just today in theater class I was assigned a female role. I briefly tried to get out of it, but the only other choice was a strikingly handsome heterosexual man, and since I pass as a 15 year old boy, I couldn't get the role. Instead, I'm playing an unusually plain girl who does circus make up on lion tamers. I had to accept that my name was "Marie" and that the other characters were calling me "dear sister." To make matters worse, I have to rehearse this scene and perform it. I have not yet requested the class or the teacher to consider my gender identity (I haven't really come out, nor do I want to), and since this is only a six week class, I figure this is a pretty short rocky road.

Just to get back to the sexual matters, I don't think I ever could enjoy vaginal sex, and just recently I found that I have a hemorrhoid and I'm not even doing anything anal. I think even that would get dull after a while, and I'd eventually want to give to my partner. It's actually been one of my reoccurring fantasies to receive oral (the masculine way), but that will only ever really work if I could settle with phallo or produce an unusually successful medio. What is really unfortunate is that if I was born male, I wouldn't have any of those problems. My dad's told me stories about how he was well hung in high school so he'd get picked on.
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