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Would you rather go back into the past or go into the future?

Started by je, July 03, 2008, 06:40:43 PM

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Quote from: Aurelius on November 06, 2008, 02:56:05 AMand I believe that even though scientific understanding (the what) is making great strides forward, the philisophical understanding (the why) is being left in the dust, at least for now.

Oh, I very much agree. Some people in new age and pagan circles are taking a stab at it, but it's kinda - haphazard. I think in general though philosophy is a bit ... stagnant at the moment, and until we do start asking the "big" questions again instead of "science will tell us", that won't change.

QuoteI think its perhaps because the average person, like myself, is only just now learning to grasp these grand concepts, and trying very hard to keep up with new discoveries. I worry it is also because we as humans are drifting away from the "why" towards not just "what" but "whatever".

I think it has a lot to do with how we're raised in Western society, a value system that the rest of the world is adopting as quickly as it can. "Practicality", and more importantly "how can I practically get rich/famous as quickly as I can". The pursuit of knowledge and wisdom is not at all highly valued by our society - compare how much business people and entertainers are rewarded for their work vs. what academics, teachers, artists and the like get, and you see it in action. It will need some huge event to shift our collective mindset into a different value-system, I think, for things to change.

~Simone.
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Aurelius

Very much agree about Western Society. I also think it has to do with the industrial and technological revolutions, which provided the materials for materialism...in conjunction with scientific knowledge, caused us to understand how a computer works, and that dinosaurs once walked the earth, and how far away the stars really were...we then sighed and went back to our TV sets and countless other distractions.
The sense of magic and mystery was gone, we don't look up at the heavens and wonder anymore. True, God or gods aren't used as a handy excuse for everything anymore, but there was something to be said for that, because we actually had to think about it and prove it without physical evidence.
The need for deductive/positive reasoning, as it applies to concepts and ideas rather than machines, is becoming a lost skill.
The world runs on money, and philosophers need to eat, too. I think also alot of ideas remain undiscovered, as you walk into a modern book store you will find sixty thousand new titles a year. It is hard to figure out what is important in such a sea of clamoring voices.
But I have hope.
Anyways good talking to you Simone, I owe, I owe, so off to work I go :-\

Chris
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tekla

While I can think of some exact places and moments I'd like to check out in the past, say to be able to catch Miles and 'Trane jamming at the Blue Note or Keystone Club back in '58 or so, that would be awesome.  And I would have loved to be able to dance to Glenn Miller and Benny Goodman on the eve of the war, but other than some isolated events, the past was, pretty much as Hobbs described it, 'nasty, brutish and short.'  Sure, go back and be a Roman, but most 'romans' were slaves, not emperors - so the luck of the draw would get you slave status or in the Legion for the most part.

Perhaps some of the native North American tribes before Columbus might have been nice.

And the future is a crapshoot.

So, I stick with this being the best of all possible worlds.  Hard enough to muddle through day to day as it is.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Rachael

um?
Romans were by definition... not slaves....

slaves were NOT roman citizens. As im a girl, i doubt they'd let me in the legions ;) nomatter how much of a warrior woman i am
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tekla

That's why I used a small 'r' romans in quotes, to mean 'people living in the Roman Empire' as opposed to a Roman Citizen.
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Rachael

doesnt matter... they arnt romans....


'Romans, or _romans_ MEANS roman citizens.... citizens of rome = roman
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tekla

Oh the empire, I think I'd prefer 2nd Century Byzantium myself.  Rome was much too much I think, but the Empire was cool in places.
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Aurelius

Quote from: tekla on November 06, 2008, 12:28:49 PM
Oh the empire, I think I'd prefer 2nd Century Byzantium myself.  Rome was much too much I think, but the Empire was cool in places.

Why is everyone picking on you for semantics Tekla? Constantinople in the 2nd century, even though Constantine's capital, was by definition still Roman...it did not "officially" become Byzantium until the Emperor Valens, a hundred fifty years later, and became its own entity after the coup de grace in 474 to the Western Empire. I agree there is some ambiguity there, but close enough.

But I know what you meant, just kidding really. I have the advantage. I am currently reading the second volume of "Byzantium" by John Julius Norwich...never realized how rich their history really was. I just finished with the reign of Irene...not a very nice lady.

"best of all possible worlds"-->Voltaire is rolling in his grave.

Chris

Posted on: November 06, 2008, 03:45:36 pm
Quote from: Starbuck on November 06, 2008, 11:12:08 AM
doesnt matter... they arnt romans....


'Romans, or _romans_ MEANS roman citizens.... citizens of rome = roman

Were you actually growling when you wrote that?  ;D

Also remember the name "Roman" was used for 1000 years after there ceased to be a Roman Empire (Byzantines, Holy Romans, etc). Now only actual Romans live in the city of Rome. Long live SPQR!
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RebeccaFog

Yes. The American Empire will last longer than any Empire that has come before it.
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tekla

Perhaps not Rach, but when we go out, were taking everyone, and everything, with us.  And that's not hard to imagine.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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RebeccaFog

Yeah. And just for kicks we may even take the moon out along with the Earth.
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tekla

FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Kimberly

Mark II reply.

Future, because the past hurts to much. Although I would love to see Jesus and the others again, even though it would hurt immensely. Speaking of that, I would SO hug Judas.

But meh, anyway regarding history, ESPECIALLY regarding Boudica remember that the winning side wrote history for the most part.

.... *sighs* still not getting away with the post without tears..
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Rachael

Quote from: tekla on November 06, 2008, 07:35:47 PM
Perhaps not Rach, but when we go out, were taking everyone, and everything, with us.  And that's not hard to imagine.
again you miss understand... america is more likely to get taken out by the rest of the world with such force it takes everyone out...
you are not the global daddy you belive...

Kimberly: nah, most of the boudicca history was writen locally and kept in house as it were... the romans didnt care for her,
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Starbuck on November 07, 2008, 07:16:28 AM
Quote from: tekla on November 06, 2008, 07:35:47 PM
Perhaps not Rach, but when we go out, were taking everyone, and everything, with us.  And that's not hard to imagine.
again you miss understand... america is more likely to get taken out by the rest of the world with such force it takes everyone out...
you are not the global daddy you belive...
Yes we are.

Bring it on!
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Rachael

Hahahahahahha

thanks Rebis... i've not laughed that hard since.... i dont quite remember...
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Rachael

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