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Looking at God's plan

Started by Terra, July 14, 2006, 10:52:01 PM

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Terra

Ok, so all of us have heard this line before, "What you are doing is against God's plans for you." I got tired of getting mad at this so I sat down and honestly thought out what people are saying. I personally believe that the nation is comprised of 50% idiots and 50% fools, but that dosn't mean they don't get it right every now and again.

So after some thought I came up with my own reasoning, we are MEANT to do this. Now some might say 'duh!' to this but hear me out. When a child is born with anything that remotly is recognized as a disorder, they get sympathy and care. A child born with any metal imparment gets the same deal, but what does a trans child get but scorn and hate? Now it is recognized that we are born this way, and it is also recognized that trans is not in the bible. So if you go by what religious people have said for centuaries that if a child is born ddifferent, that this is God's will, where does that leave the trans child?

I beleive that we are born trans so that we can further human compassion and understanding. So that we might better understand this complex and intricate beauty called the universe. People look at God and forget what it is they are trying to define. God is God, and if we are created in his image, well, as crafty as humans can be, God has had millenia more practice at it. Afterall, if God created the universe, who are we to say he dosn't have the house advantage? God could and probably does have plans that strech centuries and millenia, with such subtle clues that only in hindsight can we start to see the plan.

A case in point is the way my mother and brother are still alive in again. Here is my roadmap...

Joined Navy->Got help on being trans-> Discharge-> came to chicago and found apartment-> had mother helping me move, who had brought little brother with-> at the same time, other family car wreacked at salt lake, with only my sister and father in it.

Had I not gone though with my discharge, my brother and mother would have been in that car, the chain of events leading to that car trip probably were not affected by me. But it was my life that affected my mother and brother enough to keep them in a car crash that reportably had paramedics expecting to find bodies, not minor injuries.

So tell me what you all think, how do you think being trans does or does not fit into the grand scheme? ;)
"If you quit before you try, you don't deserve to dream." -grandmother
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Chaunte

Luana,

I firmly believe that we are a part of the Almighty's plan.  I don't know what my role is as I go forward.  It would be nice to know, but I don't worry about it.  All I know is that I am going to do my best at being what  I was created to be.

Chaunte
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Kate

My transsexuality *is* my religion. The pull of the constant, life-long contradiction between my physical reality and spiritual "knowing" opened a window, a crack in this consensual so-called reality, revealing some of the most wonderous secrets and mysteries this world has to offer.

I don't look at it as "God's plan;" instead, I see it as my own creative way of never (entirely) forgetting who and what I truly am. A persistent, inescapable inconguity, much like tying a string around one's finger... or perhaps leaving a trail of bread crumbs to follow through the chapters of our own personal myth.
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Melissa

Quote from: Luana on July 14, 2006, 10:52:01 PM
Ok, so all of us have heard this line before, "What you are doing is against God's plans for you."

My reaction to this is "Who are you to say what God's plans are for me?"  Some of these religious people think they have it all figured out and know better than God Himself.  It just so hypocritical and counterintuitive that these people go against some parts of their religion to make other feel bad about supposedly doing something that goes against their religion.  :icon_dizzy:

Melissa

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Jessica

QuoteI beleive that we are born trans so that we can further human compassion
I read that as pity, which I don't want, need, or tolerate; In all seriousness, I'd rather die.  Maybe that's prideful, and I'll burn forever for it.  That's probably a big reason that I don't transition, I don't think I can handle it.  Anyway, as it is, according to them I am going to burn regardless and if I am going to burn, I may as well burn for something that's more understood.

I'm starting to genuinely feel that my sanity is slipping away.

Do I seem incoherant?

Jessica
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Luc

Luana, I must agree with you on this subject. I think that I was born trans because it would help me gain a greater understanding of people, and others might gain a greater understanding by having known me. I have gone through a great deal of troubles in my life, none warranted, all which have helped strengthen me as an individual. At this point, I don't look at my being TS as a curse; rather, I think of it as yet another hardship I must overcome.

Who would want to go through all this pain, some people might ask? I don't want to. I didn't ask to be TS, nor did I ask for all the other pain I've been through. But I've made it through 24 years with little more than a few battle scars, and at this point, I feel nearly invincible. Most people never have that feeling, and I feel priviledged.

Rafe
"If you want to criticize my methods, fine. But you can keep your snide remarks to yourself, and while you're at it, stop criticizing my methods!"

Check out my blog at http://hormonaldivide.blogspot.com
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Melissa

I don't try and guess why.  I just accept it.

Melissa
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Nero

QuoteI believe that we are born trans, so that we can further human compassion
QuoteI read that as pity, which I don't want, need, or tolerate
An amen to the latter. I certainly require no pity, nor am I a part of some broad scheme to better humanity. Nor am I a "mistake of nature".

I'm here for one reason:
God was feeling artistic the day he made me.
He turned to his people (both angels and demons), and proclaimed with great emotion, "It is the 20th century - everything's been done. But I must create something the world has never seen!"
He tossed aside the traditional molds, and labored night and day over his masterpiece.
And when it was finished, he declared, "It is good."

Nero
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Chynna

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Quote from: tinkerbell on July 14, 2006, 11:50:57 PM
Hi Luana:

I used to think that God had made a big mistake when he brought me into this world, Why on earth would he make an abnormal person to be part of his creation, right?? 

In every perfect equation..(such as life) there are always Anomalies to make that equation perfect.
I like Luana believe exactly what she typed...
I believe GOD gives a you a life and says to himself "now lets see what they do with it!"
And when that day comes (death), I should stand before him and he'll say "So what did you accomplish with this beautiful gift called LIFE that I had given you?"
My response will be a smirk and a smile and ill simply say "everything you laid before me!"

May not get a gyrl into heaven but it will definitly put a smile if not a chuckle on gods face!

Chynna
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Melissa

I like your theory Nero.

Melissa
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Luc

Nice one, Nero. I definitely consider myself special.

Rafe
"If you want to criticize my methods, fine. But you can keep your snide remarks to yourself, and while you're at it, stop criticizing my methods!"

Check out my blog at http://hormonaldivide.blogspot.com
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Rana

Chynna, you are so cool :)  you make perfect sense.
Melissa, yes Acceptance :)

It would be sheer arrogance and foolishness to talk about God's plan, we could not even begin to comprehend it.  Who would be game to second guess God.

As Chynna says, you do what you do (I think you said that, thou more eloquently put :)   luvs ya hun :)

Rana
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Kate

Quote from: Rana on July 18, 2006, 07:38:28 AM
It would be sheer arrogance and foolishness to talk about God's plan, we could not even begin to comprehend it.  Who would be game to second guess God.

<raises hand>

"The eye with which I see God is the eye with which God sees me" - Meister Eckhart
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jaded

 "and it is also recognized that trans is not in the bible."
it is mentioned in Deuteronomy 22:5
A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this. (Deut. 22:5)


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Melissa

Quote from: jaded on July 18, 2006, 08:53:47 AM
"and it is also recognized that trans is not in the bible."
it is mentioned in Deuteronomy 22:5
A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this. (Deut. 22:5)

...and I'm a woman, therefore I must wear women's clothing. The bible says so. :)

Melissa
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Nero

Quote from: Melissa on July 18, 2006, 10:49:19 AM
...and I'm a woman, therefore I must wear women's clothing. The bible says so. :)

Melissa
Yes, I like that answer too.

Nero
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Melissa

Yes, it's a good simple answer, but then if you answer like that, the very religious people will get down to semantics of trying to define you by your genitals.  Then you can reply that it doesn't say anywhere in the bible what makes a man and what makes a woman.

Melissa
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Chynna

Quote from: jaded on July 18, 2006, 08:53:47 AM
"and it is also recognized that trans is not in the bible."
it is mentioned in Deuteronomy 22:5
A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this. (Deut. 22:5)

MMMM....I read it still don't see a reference to Trans or ->-bleeped-<- or transsexual!

Also Who defines what a male piece of clothing is and a female piece of clothing is???
GOD...
Oh yeah thats right God didn't make clothing man did after he (Adam & Eve) ate from the tree and realized they were naked...I didn't see the chapter were god made adam and then made a mate for adam and then made a skirt and some jeans!!!?????
The book of Deut. is entirely in contridiction to the first two books of the old test,

FOR WE ARE ALL NAKED IN THE EYES OF OUR LORD.

For If I go to church in a skirt or a pair of pants GOD just see
CHYNNA
Sitting in the pue's

Doesn't matter how I dress Im naked in his eyes.

Chynna White


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Melissa

That's a good one Chynna.  It would probably work.

Melissa
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Luc

Wow, Jaded, you got me on that one. Some Bible scholar I am. Now I remember that one... but my theories about religion and God and whatnot are not based solely on the Bible, because 1) it was written by humans, and while it might have been inspired by God, humans are fallible and thus may have made some (to many) mistakes; 2) it has been translated numerous times throughout the ages; for example, the famous King James version was changed to make certain passages less condemning to homosexuals, because King James himself was reputedly gay; 3) and thank you, Chynna; I always wondered how clothing can be deemed masculine or feminine. That, as well, may have been an addition by some conservative something-or-others who felt like imposing their own mores on the masses back in times BC, and knew the Bible was the easiest way to do that. Just think, though; the original state of man (meaning humanity) was naked, in the Garden of Eden. Even after the Fall, I doubt they designated specific fig leaves as "men's" and others as "women's."  8)

And yes, Melissa, awesome point... I am male, therefore I wear men's clothing. It's all in the semantics.

Rafe
"If you want to criticize my methods, fine. But you can keep your snide remarks to yourself, and while you're at it, stop criticizing my methods!"

Check out my blog at http://hormonaldivide.blogspot.com
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