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Started by Peggiann, December 24, 2005, 12:09:08 PM

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Peggiann

As Leah and I drove back from Amarillo last nihgt we were discussing Name change and the snowball of things that may be affected by one changing one's name.

These came up:
1.) Does one that has SRS have to change his or her name?

2.) Do all igsisting legal papers have to be change as a result?

3.) Does couple married before name change have to get married all over again for it to be legal from Will stand point?

4.) Does life insurance policies have to be change or does the old one still have authority and validity?

5.)If they are not changed by the Insured are they still legal? 

6.) Let's say the benificiary is the one with the SRS and name change, does the insurance company still have to pay the person that was the benificiary by name in the document but is the person by new name and gende rafter SRS?

7.) Is it manditory for "Name Change"and liciences and past port and everything to be change when  a body goes through SRS.

8.) IF someone is being left something in another's "Will", and the name, sex identity ect. were changed will it be awarded to the intended person as per stated in the "Will" even though that person is someone else by name now?

9.) Is the clause "this person is know by ..... or by.... a cover's all bases clause?

I can't remember any others we pondered and if we have left any out please advice us.

Thanks for any guidence and advice before hand.

Peggiann



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Leigh

 
As Leah and I drove back from Amarillo last nihgt we were discussing Name change and the snowball of things that may be affected by one changing one's name.

These came up:
1.) Does one that has SRS have to change his or her name?

No but then it is going to be almost impossible to get a therapist to sign off on RLT if the name changes are not done.  Without their approval no reputable sugeon will perform surgery.

2.) Do all igsisting legal papers have to be change as a result?

What would be the point of leading a dual life on paper?  I believe most of us who are in or have finished trasition want to distance ourselves from "before" as much as possible.

3.) Does couple married before name change have to get married all over again for it to be legal from Will stand point?

Nope--The marriage is still valid.

4.) Does life insurance policies have to be change or does the old one still have authority and validity?

Refer to #2  Why complicate things with two identies?   Resolvoing legal issues takes enough time as it is without anymore complications.

5.)If they are not changed by the Insured are they still legal?

This you would need to check with the agencies involved but they should be.

6.) Let's say the benificiary is the one with the SRS and name change, does the insurance company still have to pay the person that was the benificiary by name in the document but is the person by new name and gender after SRS?

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7.) Is it manditory for "Name Change"and liciences and past port and everything to be change when a body goes through SRS.

ck #1  Again without name changes on everything the requirements for RLT have not been completed.

IF someone is being left something in another's "Will", and the name, sex identity ect. were changed will it be awarded to the intended person as per stated in the "Will" even though that person is someone else by name now?

The courts don't care about the  name a person goes by.  You cannot dodge a debt by a name change either.

9.) Is the clause "this person is know by ..... or by.... a cover's all bases clause?

Ask dennis he's the lawyer of the bunch.

Perhaps I'm dense but I don't understand why someone would have surgery and then not change their paperwork.

Leigh


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Terri-Gene

QuotePerhaps I'm dense but I don't understand why someone would have surgery and then not change their paperwork.

Only few reasons exists.  Fear of consiquences and unwillingness to risk loss or jeapordise possible gains etc.  Transition is NOT about growing breasts and having SRS.  It is about living and adopting a new life which is better for you in your own beliefs and lifestyle.

Leah, If you want to transition you have to realise that it can't be done without going all the way despite the consiquences.  This is what we mean/warn about  when we say that if you have any doubts or it is not more important then anything else, DON"T DO IT!  It is a one way street and can only be driven by one and only one person.

When you change your name, you have a new name which everybody will come to know you by.  When you change your name and/or gender on SSA then that is the name your  benifits will be listed under and that all your imployment records and  financial records will  have to access to, see a lawyer for exceptions and details if using two names.  After a legal name and or gender change, that is who you are, to anybody and everybody for better or worse.

If some of the gains of retaining a male standing in society are more important then complete and total recognition as a female person, then it is quite obvious that you are simply preparing for the consiquences or not willing to accept some of the consiquences.  In either case Transition should be reconsidered until there is a certainty of what is best for you and your feelings or whatever you do won't be for the best in your own mind.

In ther end there can be only one or the whole point of transition has been lost and meaningless, simply creating a new problem of two identities which was the whole purpose of denial in the first place.

Liegh is perfectly right.  Any therapyst that wold recommend you to surgery in such a case either sees extream problems in not allowing surgery or needs a very good therapyst of thier own as your mind was not or is not ready for the change of life it would cause meaning you need a lot more therapy first to consider and adjust to your own life.

Transition is dangerous not only in the medical and social aspects, and making choices you can't totally live and deal with is another of the dangers.

Think Carefully and deeply

Terri
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Leah

I have had almost 60 years to consider and think deeply about it.
60 years of being forced into a pigeonhole that society deems acceptable.
The description of  ->-bleeped-<- comes closest to my feelings. Dr Suporon in Thailand, I consider to be a reputable Dr. and have been in touch with him. He seems to be reputable, from those I have been in contact with that had him do their SRS. He has compassion allowances for my age. Pictures of his work are second to none but then I wouldn't expect him to put anything else on his website.

Post ops wanting to distance themselves from previous lives I have had first hand witness to from individuals here at Susan's Place. It is more easy to find in your face ->-bleeped-<-s but it has been much more difficult to find a truly upfront transitioned transsexual or those in transition. They seem to all have found there way here to Susan's site. That's why it took so long to find them I suppose. I like being told how it is without holding back lest feelings could be hurt. Thanks for being so candid. I have no intentions of changing my mind on transitioning. I will still be me always have been me. I don't expect a name change or surgery to change that I am inside.

The few years I have left don't need to be complicated any more than need be. If I were 18, with my whole life ahead of me, name change might be more important.

The need to help transfer inheritance prior to loss, and then the legal costs mounting up after the fact are the reasons behind initial inquiry. This is substantial amounts and don't want to walk away and let state take all because didn't know well before.

Since ready your posts I have different points to consider.

Thanks,
Leah
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Dennis

OK, I'll answer these as though they were in my legal jurisdiction. You might want to get a consult with a trans-friendly lawyer to make sure they apply in your jurisdiction.

1.) Does one that has SRS have to change his or her name?

No, but it's a bit tricky functioning as a male with the name Priscilla. And the Benjamin standards might get in the way of SRS if you don't change your name.

2.) Do all igsisting legal papers have to be change as a result?

Most will require renewal at some point and then you will need to change them. I'm talking about ID here. Other legal papers, like diplomas, wills, that sort of thing, you don't necessarily need to change, but it does mean you have to out yourself at some point if you need the paper.

3.) Does couple married before name change have to get married all over again for it to be legal from Will stand point?

This is very jurisdiction specific. You may not be able to re-marry once one changes gender. If you live in the UK, you may be required to divorce if  you change gender legally. I don't think any states require that. If you lived in Canada, it wouldn't matter because same sex marriage is legal.

From the perspective of a will, remarriage or marriage, in Canada invalidates a will, so it would not be a good thing to do unless you're rewriting your will.

In Canada, and the UK, if you wrote a will leaving your estate to "John Smith" and "John Smith" became "Jane Smith", all that Jane would have to do to maintain her status as beneficiary is to prove that she is the same person who used to be "my husband, John Smith". But you really need to check this for your jurisdiction.

4.) Does life insurance policies have to be change or does the old one still have authority and validity?

Risk factors may be affected by transition, and that could be considered a material misrepresentation much like starting smoking after you got the policy could be. On the other hand, if you told the insurer about the transition, you may find yourself not covered. Your choice, you can have a fight afterwards if they decide to be dicks about it, or you can disclose now and risk that they'll make the decision not to insure you at all. You really need to check with a local lawyer.

5.)If they are not changed by the Insured are they still legal?

Again, see above re material mispresentation. Name change is not a problem. You are still legally the same person you were before, upon presentation of a certificate or court order changing your name. You need to have legally been the person you said you were at the time you signed the insurance contract. Transition might be a problem though for medical reasons.

6.) Let's say the benificiary is the one with the SRS and name change, does the insurance company still have to pay the person that was the benificiary by name in the document but is the person by new name and gende rafter SRS?

You should be alright as a beneficiary by simply proving that at the time the contract was signed, the beneficiary was legally known as that person.

7.) Is it manditory for "Name Change"and liciences and past port and everything to be change when  a body goes through SRS.

Not mandatory, but tricky to present a passport that says "Lancelot Buck Jones" and a set of knockers. And, there is the Benjamin thing. You might not be seen to be taking transition seriously if you don't go through the legal steps.

8.) IF someone is being left something in another's "Will", and the name, sex identity ect. were changed will it be awarded to the intended person as per stated in the "Will" even though that person is someone else by name now?

Will, yes, they just need to show proof that they were the person named in the will.

9.) Is the clause "this person is know by ..... or by.... a cover's all bases clause?

AKA clauses are a good idea, but if you know that someone has changed their name legally, it's best to actually put that name in there. So, if John becomes Jane, the best way to put it is "Jane Smith, formerly known as John Smith". Or just "Jane Smith". Putting "John Smith also known as Jane Smith" would only be appropriate if the person hasn't change their legal name.

The best, cover-all-bases, don't need to worry about fighting later idea is just change your name legally and then change it on all your ID, wills, powers-of-attorney, diplomas, everything. The main caution would be the transitioning person's life insurance, but be prepared, you might have a fight later if you don't disclose.

And, if I haven't said it enough times, talk to a lawyer in your area. Write out a list of questions like this (try and get someone trans friendly). Laws differ in every jurisdiction and the US laws are probably the most whacked out of all of them (sorry American list members) because of the state-centric nature of your laws and the occasional (I'm being charitable here) coopting of the legislative process by right wing Christian groups.

Dennis

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Peggiann

Thank you Dennis,

As you touch on, "Samesex Marriage" issues was part of concern as well as was "Power of Attorney" for Leah is for her mother. The insurance was another big question, in respect to benifitiary and was CD'd and Will of her Mom's that names her receiver of benifits. Timing also being an issue as to wait a bit longer for SRS so this things have played out and would no longer be an issue. Knowing legally where one stands (If? or ....If?) helps make it easier to choose just how fast to move on this path or sit and idle awhile. It also helps us know whether we will have to move to a State that excepts samesex marriages.

Thanks again, I'm sure Leah will be reading your post when she gets in this evening.

Peggiann
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Peggiann

Oh I forgot to ask....

Dennis is there and easy way to know short of calling and asking who is and isn't trans friendly?

Peggiann
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Peggiann

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tinkerbell

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Hi Peggiann:

A few links regarding what you asked a long time ago; hopefully they'll be useful to new transitioners..

HOW TO CHANGE GENDER ON BC'S, PASSPORTS, SSA-- BELOW:



http://www.geocities.com/sherrylanina/PostOrchDocuments.html



STATE OF CALIFORNIA TRANSGENDER LAW UPDATE--BELOW:[


http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/California_Transgender_Law_101_Resource_Guide.pdf


http://www.transgenderlawcenter.org/pdf/ca_trans_law_101_overview.pdf#search='how%20to%20change%20gender%20marker%20on%20california'


HOW TO CHANGE GENDER MARKER ON ID'S DL'S BY STATE--BELOW:


http://www.thetransitionalmale.com/dlchange



tinkerbell :icon_chick:

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LostInTime

For most legal paperwork, drivers licenses, credit cards, etc, etc there is usually a clause that states that they HAVE to be notified within X number of days of any change in your status.  For most of my stuff it was 60 days.

Take it from someone who currently has two legal names (federal level and state level), you do not want to go down that road.  I have spent hours talking to agencies about my special case and covering my butt so I do not get accused of fraud.
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