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trapthavok

I'm right back in the gutter where I started. I don't even feel like thinking right now but I guess I gotta get this out before I disappear on some 5 month hiatus and start blocking out this portion of my brain too.

My best friend told me something a couple of hours ago that kinda rocked me. I asked her if I was irritating her yet with all my male talk, cause I've thought about nothing else but my being male for the past two weeks. I can't think about anything else, I don't do anything else online but research... and it's all I talk about to those who know. So her answer was no, I tend to obsess about things for a while. Now she knows me better than I know myself, so I was curious as to what she meant by this.

I asked her. She said "Well, you obsessed with religion once."
'Okay, but I've been obsessed about this for two weeks. How long was I obsessed about religion? A month?'
"I don't know," she says, "I wasn't keeping track. But you do this once in a while. You were obsessed with religion [and now you're atheist], you wanted to straighten things out with your family and now you're seeing a therapist...It's like you're trying to fill some piece of you that's missing or something."

As soon as she said this I thought, "->-bleeped-<-, what if she's right? What if I'm not really a guy, and I just think being a guy is the latest key to my happiness?" I don't know man, it threw me for a loop for about 2 minutes. I finished reading the "true selves" book today, and it's been forever since I finished a book in under 24 hours. As I read the book, I crossed out the stuff that didn't pertain to me (like coming out to your spouse, cause I'm not married) and folded over the stuff my parents might read and feel guilty about. I don't blame them in any way shape or form. But the rest of the book I kinda read as though "yeah! that happened to me too! I felt the same way!" or I didn't feel the same way at all about other things. Then I started reexamining everything I've felt this month, and part of it reminds me of when I was into religion. I did relate to some things, but if there were things I didn't relate to I would convince myself somehow that it was related to me.

So now I don't know if I've been doing that with being male. But then, there were all those honest emotions I felt... Like complete jealousy when I saw someone on T on youtube, wishing it was me with the beard... Then I saw someone else talking about their happiness on T and I got completely down, hating myself for not being on T and wishing it was me instead. They were true emotions, and just a few of the things I've felt since starting this journey but I'm starting to feel messed up again.

What if my best friend is right about me? What if in two months or so I decide I'm not a guy? I still feel the need to buy boy clothes in order to be myself, and I still really want a packer...I can't get on T anytime soon since I haven't really gone int GID therapy so I'm trying to keep myself happy with the things I can do.... but I feel so confused.

If I'm not a guy, why the hell would I want a beard? That's not a girl's normal train of thought is it? Why would I even consider the possibility of being male for this long? I know all the negative things that could happen to me if I was ever discovered, why would I risk that? I asked my friend that and she was all 'Don't compare yourself to me, idk...' So I got upset. It was like she dropped a bomb on me and walked away. She could have at least helped me out, I figure.

After that conversation I signed off immediately because I felt destroyed. I got really depressed really fast. Crazy things were running through my mind. "What if I'm really not male? What kind of freak thinks she's a guy just to "fill a hole" or achieve some kind of happiness? What the hell is wrong with me?" I almost considered giving all this thought the same thing I did with religion - just not thinking about it anymore and keep it buried for no one to know. But I don't know if I can. I was so dead less than an hour ago that I don't understand why I would feel so strongly about possibly NOT being a male...Why would I be so depressed about being 'normal'? I had completely shut down for a  while. I didn't even want to make this post, I still don't feel like talking about it.

I'm just wondering if this is not me then why do I feel this way? I feel strongly about my doubts but I feel almost as strongly about my belief... I can't even talk to her about it right now either because she's already moved on and I'm still a bit upset about this, and dazed and confused. I don't know who I am, I wish someone could just tell me. I feel like I haven't known the real me all my life, cause I'm such a  good liar, and I just wish I could find myself. And yeah, I hate admitting it but I've been crying. Pride says not to tell anyone, but that may help people gauge just how upset I've been for the last couple of hours. In fact, just thinking about it might get me started again, so I'm going to stop here.
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Nero

Ok. Take a deep breath, man.

Now. How long have you identified as male?
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Lachlann

First off, no one knows you better than you. There may be people who know you really well, but you're the only one who knows every little detail about being you. All people can do is make assumptions... your friend might know you very well, but she isn't you and she most certainly is not a certified doctor in the realm of GID.

Shes your friend, but take it with a grain of salt because I don't believe this sort of thing is simple. If it is just a phase, you'll know over time or from a specialized therapist who knows what they're talking about.

I'm not trying to trash your friend, I'm just saying her knowledge in this area is limited. Don't let one person ruin things for you, because I can guarantee many people who have GID have been accused of being obsessive or in a phase many times before from people who had no real knowledge of it.
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Alyssa M.

Doubt is normal. Doubt is good. It's what keeps you from doing stupid things, and what brings confidence when you figure out the right thing.

I completely empathize and identify with what you're saying. Doubt, jealousy, feelings about gender that vary over days, weeks, months, even years -- I've had all of that. I say give it time and you'll see. The only way to know whether things will change in two weeks is, well, to wait two weeks ... which sucks. It seems like doing nothing. But sometimes just waiting is doing something. Sometimes it's the right thing.

It's a long, tough road out of the gutter, and there are a lot of switchbacks. But you'll make it. Just take it easy and keep on trucking and you'll get where you need to be.

By the way -- you spelled "gauge" correctly. That word gave me so much trouble for so long for some reason. :laugh:

~Alyssa
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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sneakersjay

I obsess over things when I'm in the research phase; I learned long ago to shut up about it until I was ready to share, for the reasons you stated.

No NORMAL (if there is such a thing) cis-gendered person thinks about changing genders other than normal curiosity.  I asked a few friends and they said it was fun to dress up as the opposite gender on occasion (theater, halloween, event) but never considered hormones or surgery or really changing it. 

I think it's totally different from exploring religion, or studying some topic in depth, etc.

I've identified as  male since I was small, but it all got shoved aside due to my family, religion, the times I grew up in, lack of info (no internet), etc, and I just thought I was weird and had weird fantasies.  I'm a lot older than you are.  I've come out to a few people.  Some are like, you can't be trans,  you're too old!  Or, it's a phase!!

I'm not into surgery and gender-bending for shock value; I'm so NOT like that.

Be true to yourself.  Stop talking about it to people who don't get it, and start seeing a gender therapist asap.  My gender therapists were the ones that helped me the most and the fastest.  Both agreed with my self diagnosis within 5 minutes of talking to me, LOL.

The reason for therapy is to prevent people from changing genders on a whim.  It isn't something most people consider at ALL.

Jay


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trapthavok

Quote from: Nero on July 24, 2008, 06:37:45 PM
Ok. Take a deep breath, man.

Now. How long have you identified as male?
I started thinking about the possibility of being trans about...maybe a month ago. Sometime near the end of june. It wasn't until after I came to this site, sometime between the 6th and the 15th or something of this month that I was able to accept my being male. So not very long, therefore my confidence still has time to be shattered. I just felt so strongly about it that you had to ask I guess, huh?

Quote from: Monty on July 24, 2008, 06:51:40 PM
First off, no one knows you better than you. There may be people who know you really well, but you're the only one who knows every little detail about being you. All people can do is make assumptions... your friend might know you very well, but she isn't you and she most certainly is not a certified doctor in the realm of GID.

Shes your friend, but take it with a grain of salt because I don't believe this sort of thing is simple. If it is just a phase, you'll know over time or from a specialized therapist who knows what they're talking about.

I'm not trying to trash your friend, I'm just saying her knowledge in this area is limited. Don't let one person ruin things for you, because I can guarantee many people who have GID have been accused of being obsessive or in a phase many times before from people who had no real knowledge of it.

Thanks Monty. I can tell you're not trying to trash her, and you're right. I figured I would know maybe if I stopped dressing like a girl and trying to "be myself" whoever that is. I'm not talking to her at the moment, just because I need a break, but I won't bring the subject up with her ever again. I share everything with her and she with me, but you're right, this is one area she needs to stay out of.

Quote from: Alyssa M. on July 24, 2008, 06:57:10 PM
Doubt is normal. Doubt is good. It's what keeps you from doing stupid things, and what brings confidence when you figure out the right thing.

I completely empathize and identify with what you're saying. Doubt, jealousy, feelings about gender that vary over days, weeks, months, even years -- I've had all of that. I say give it time and you'll see. The only way to know whether things will change in two weeks is, well, to wait two weeks ... which sucks. It seems like doing nothing. But sometimes just waiting is doing something. Sometimes it's the right thing.

It's a long, tough road out of the gutter, and there are a lot of switchbacks. But you'll make it. Just take it easy and keep on trucking and you'll get where you need to be.

By the way -- you spelled "gauge" correctly. That word gave me so much trouble for so long for some reason. :laugh:

~Alyssa

Thank you Alyssa. Yes, doing nothing feels like it sucks, especially since I'm still wearing the tight jeans that make my legs itchy, and haven't cut the hair I've always hated yet...but by not taking action yet (besides books and forums) it means I'm taking it slow I would hope.... And lol at gauge...I actually spelled it wrong but I have google toolbar so it underlines the words I misspell :P I cheated.

Quote from: sneakersjay on July 24, 2008, 06:59:59 PM
I obsess over things when I'm in the research phase; I learned long ago to shut up about it until I was ready to share, for the reasons you stated.

No NORMAL (if there is such a thing) cis-gendered person thinks about changing genders other than normal curiosity.  I asked a few friends and they said it was fun to dress up as the opposite gender on occasion (theater, halloween, event) but never considered hormones or surgery or really changing it. 

I think it's totally different from exploring religion, or studying some topic in depth, etc.

I've identified as  male since I was small, but it all got shoved aside due to my family, religion, the times I grew up in, lack of info (no internet), etc, and I just thought I was weird and had weird fantasies.  I'm a lot older than you are.  I've come out to a few people.  Some are like, you can't be trans,  you're too old!  Or, it's a phase!!

I'm not into surgery and gender-bending for shock value; I'm so NOT like that.

Be true to yourself.  Stop talking about it to people who don't get it, and start seeing a gender therapist asap.  My gender therapists were the ones that helped me the most and the fastest.  Both agreed with my self diagnosis within 5 minutes of talking to me, LOL.

The reason for therapy is to prevent people from changing genders on a whim.  It isn't something most people consider at ALL.

Jay

Again, excellent idea Jay. Man, you have good advice in every topic I post....I'm sure you're a great father :) You feel so much like a wise fatherly figure to me!! At any rate, yes I'm obsessed in research phases too. I guess I just haven't learned to shut up yet.

I didn't feel normal from that first time I heard lesbians joking about how one of them had THOUGHT about being a guy for A DAY once, and I had actually thought about it AND researched it.... I felt so out of place. But then one of my lesbian friends recently told me she was all into the ->-bleeped-<- research for a month then decided that wasn't her...so I guess I'll figure it out eventually?  I mean, I wouldn't just be CURIOUS about something as serious as surgery.

I have a normal therapist right now and I  have a love/hate relationship with her...Most of the time I love her, but there's moments where the old me kicks in and I get paranoid. I want to see a GID therapist, but I don't want to dump her...I can only afford one right now :( That, and it doesn't help that I only get to see her twice a month I guess. So much has happened in the past two weeks that I miss when I used to be able to see her every week.

I'm still considering getting a GID, I just don't know when... I wanted to come out to my parents first so they would understand why I was making the switch, and why I was dressing differently...because I want them to be there along the way and not have to hide anything from them. But I don't want to tell them til I know and that kinda sets things back.....
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Elwood

Oh, my. Yes, you certainly need to talk about it less. People around you will be uncomfortable if you only talk about one thing. When I would only talk about The Blues Brothers, people started to really get irritated with me. I had to learn to care about other things, like... Animal House. Lol. I grew out of the phase and I think as soon as you feel more at ease with being male it will be less exciting for you. If it's too exciting, you've got to ask yourself the hardest question; "does this turn me on?" and you've got to be honest. If it turns you on, it might not be GID.

For a while, I was afraid that this was all just a fetish. I had a lot of issues with being too vaginally moist. I asked my step mom about it and she asked me if I was thinking about sex a lot. If you're aroused or even just thinking about being aroused, your body is going to produce more lubrication. I was worried that I might have been somehow turned on by packing. Well, I've experimented and took the pack out, and the lubrication isn't any less. Some people are just wet.

I think you need a hobby to do between transgender work. Watch a series like House or something on DVD. Or maybe join a sewing club (sorry, bad example for a guy). You've got to do something because obsessing could make things harder later (I know from experience, actually). Obsessing made me quite overwhelmed.

My best friend Laura knows I obsess a lot. I obsessed over Naruto, over Pokemon, over Inuyasha, over The Blues Brothers... If I wasn't obsessed with one thing, I was obsessed with something else.

It IS possible that you're obsessing and blowing your guyhood out of proportion. HOWEVER, being obsessive does not make a person transgendered. Don't you worry; the fact that you're asking these questions really shows that you are transgendered. A person who was just obsessing wouldn't stop and take a look and really worry if their feelings are valid. You're okay, man.

I know what it's like to be obsessed. I read Belushi (John Belushi's biography) in 2 days, and it only took 2 days because I really enjoyed the pictures in the book and started scanning them into my computer.

When I see people on T, I'm not really jealous that they have T, but that they got it sooner than me. I'm just like, "Damn it, why was it so easy for them?" Now I know why. I have other mental illnesses. I'm a mentally ill transguy, where most of you guys are just transguys or transgirls, without other mental illnesses. So that is why my transition is taking longer. When I realized that, my jealousy went away.

If in two months or so you decide you're not a guy, then whatever. It doesn't matter. You are you, and changing your mind is never something to be ashamed of. I met an androgyne who was certain ze was a woman. Ze went through HRT and was planning surgery. Eventually ze realized that ze wasn't a girl at all, but was just a person. Ze was androgynous, and admitted that to themselves. And there was no shame in that. Ze grew and blossomed into the beautiful person they are. That's what transition is about.

Now, I do have one problem I'd like to acknowledge. If you HAVE to wear boy's clothes to be yourself, there's a problem. You should be able to be yourself in a ball gown. You need to develope that integrity, be a man no matter what you look like or what the others say. You know? This doesn't mean you aren't trans or something, it just means you need to stand up for you identity more.

As for your questions, they are good questions. If you weren't a guy, you wouldn't want a beard or feel that you should be physically male. That answers your own questions. The only thing that a girl wants that is questionable is sometimes girls have penis envy and wish to be girls with penises (they don't want to be guys). That's not being transgendered, that's having a bit of a fetish, or thinking that not getting pregnant would make their lives easier. That's wanting to be a guy for the "societal advantages," which is not being transgendered. Since we all know you're not like that, there isn't a question in any of our minds... you're a guy.

We all go through this struggle; the guys and the girls, in figuring out if this is really who we are. So what you're going through is perfectly typical.  ;D

You are in a path of self discovery. You're not going to know everything overnight... so you'll feel this way for a few months, probably. You're in the beginning stages, so you'll question yourself a lot. That doesn't make you less of a man. Being transgendered is confusing... we all ask if our bodies mean more than our brains do, etc.

Real men do cry, and real men do wear pink.  :P
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sneakersjay

You have plenty of time.  This is not a race.  For me, I had been haphazardly trying to figure myself out for at least 6 years and the closest I came was to say that gee, I must have been male in another life! Duh! So when I finally found a guy (ftm) online and chatted with him it was OMG we had the same histories, right down to crying when we realized we didn't have a penis around age 4, to praying to G*D to wake up a boy, etc.  All the missing pieces of my life fell into place.  Transsexuality was so far off my radar it's a miracle I stumbled into it.  This is not something I chose for  myself; yes I'm choosing to transition, because for the first time in my life I finally feel like ME.  I'm allowing myself to just BE ME.  And that is MALE.  Even though I'm not yet on T, even though I have not had any surgeries, even though I have not changed my name legally, even though I do NOT PASS, I have more confidence in myself, I'm more outgoing, more comfortable in my own skin.  That is something I can't really explain to people who have not lived in my shoes.

I've led a full happy life with no regrets.  I've done very cool things with my life.  Overall I'm happy with it.  BUT!  I always felt something was wrong, that I was a fraud, but I could never put my finger on it.  It was like living my life in a plexiglass box, participating in life but with a wall around myself preventing my real self from just BEING.

So take time to BREATHE!!!  I also was seeing a regular therapist for 3 years since my divorce; she helped me through a lot of other issues.  When I realized I was trans, I came out to her. She was not a gender therapist but said she could help me and  was willing to learn.  I saw her 3x after that and realized it was NOT going to work.  In the meantime I found a great gender therapist and I couldn't afford both either so I stopped seeing the regular one.  My life isn't very messed up anyway and I really wasn't getting much out of seeing her for at least a year, other than having her be a sounding board.  With each visit to the gender therapist (and then group with another therapist) I was able learn so much about myself and let so much old baggage go.  I feel reborn.  It's so freeing to finally BE MYSELF!!!

I've been full time since 4/1, so almost 4 months.  I'm not yet on T. On the one hand I wish I had it from day 1; on the other I'm glad that overall transition will take at least the next 8 months (hysto, T, then top surgery in Feb; with the name change filed to coincide with after Christmas, I think, so I can travel for top surgery as a male).  All told that's not a lot of time at all, when you think about it.

At first I was like, oh, okay, I'm male.  I can dress male, cut my hair, and pack and nobody has to know.  Then it was like boobs and bra, yuck, I have to bind.  Then it was like, if I have another visit from Auntie Flo, I'm gonna scream!!  So those parts have to go NOW!  Then it was like, I need T to pass.  And the more I bind the more I want the lumps gone....your schedule and timetable may vary.

Research, research, find a therapist and talk, talk, talk, and remember that we are here for you.  Many great guys were there (and still are) for me and it made all the difference.  If I hadn't met a local guy my journey would have taken a whole lot longer.

Jay


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Nero

A month... How long have you felt and acted male though? I mean you've only accepted yourself as 'transgender' for a month, right? But if you've known for a long time you're a guy, that's different.
Took me a long time to come out as trans too. I didn't know much about it and didn't like the sound of it. But I still knew who I was.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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trapthavok

Quote from: Nero on July 24, 2008, 08:59:28 PM
A month... How long have you felt and acted male though? I mean you've only accepted yourself as 'transgender' for a month, right? But if you've known for a long time you're a guy, that's different.
Took me a long time to come out as trans too. I didn't know much about it and didn't like the sound of it. But I still knew who I was.

Yes, I've been comfortable with my being trans for nearly a month. Um but the last time I ever sort of "felt" or "acted" like a guy I suppose was when I was a kid. I've thought of changing my look lately to start "passing" as male, but I don't think I've acted that way for a long time... If I had the incentive to (like wanting to "pass" I guess) I figure I'd start acting more male. Who knows. I've changed my walk recently, and being more open about my burps and farts, but that's the only remotely "male-like" things I've done recently, I guess, if that counts.


Jay and Elwood, thanks for your responses. I have been thinking a lot about them since I've read them. For now I have to get to sleep, but I will reply to them tomorrow
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J.T.

ah, don't worry about all that stereotypical "male" crap.  if this feels right for you... it is.

i spent the first month or two after my epiphany highly obsessed and constantly thinking about everything.  eventually that dies down and you settle into life.
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Elwood

Remember not to lie to yourself. Don't say you acted male longer than you really did. It will make your transition harder on you if you are not accurate to yourself and your therapist.

If you have to force yourself to be a stereotypical "male," then being that kind of guy isn't right for you. Don't sacrifice who you are for the sake of passing.
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trapthavok

Quote from: Elwood on July 24, 2008, 07:51:40 PM
Oh, my. Yes, you certainly need to talk about it less. People around you will be uncomfortable if you only talk about one thing. When I would only talk about The Blues Brothers, people started to really get irritated with me. I had to learn to care about other things, like... Animal House. Lol. I grew out of the phase and I think as soon as you feel more at ease with being male it will be less exciting for you. If it's too exciting, you've got to ask yourself the hardest question; "does this turn me on?" and you've got to be honest. If it turns you on, it might not be GID.

For a while, I was afraid that this was all just a fetish. I had a lot of issues with being too vaginally moist. I asked my step mom about it and she asked me if I was thinking about sex a lot. If you're aroused or even just thinking about being aroused, your body is going to produce more lubrication. I was worried that I might have been somehow turned on by packing. Well, I've experimented and took the pack out, and the lubrication isn't any less. Some people are just wet.

I think you need a hobby to do between transgender work. Watch a series like House or something on DVD. Or maybe join a sewing club (sorry, bad example for a guy). You've got to do something because obsessing could make things harder later (I know from experience, actually). Obsessing made me quite overwhelmed.

Yeah I agree. I talked to someone who graduated from my school last night (successful MTF) and she made me feel better. She told me quite plainly what I need to do. I need to do things for myself, and not depend too much on the support of others, especially those who dont know what's going on with me right now (except the therapist, etc).  She helped me a lot, and I feel a lot better than I did last night.

I know I need to stop with the obsession for a while. I'm going to keep doing research and reading, but I'm going to take it slow and easy from now on. I DO have a hobby, in response to that question. I'm freakishly obsessed with skateboarding, and I love to skateboard (but I've only just begun a few months ago). Thing is, I just got a tattoo, and the nearest skate park/street is outdoor....Not supposed to get too much sun exposure for the first three weeks of having a tattoo so I was taking a break. Which unfortunately gives me time to turn my obsession toward all of this...

Quote from: Elwood on July 24, 2008, 07:51:40 PM
It IS possible that you're obsessing and blowing your guyhood out of proportion. HOWEVER, being obsessive does not make a person transgendered. Don't you worry; the fact that you're asking these questions really shows that you are transgendered. A person who was just obsessing wouldn't stop and take a look and really worry if their feelings are valid. You're okay, man.

Thanks for that. I'm really really trying hard to take all of these things slow and sort out my feelings, but I guess I'm just a fast-paced impatient type of person. I can't wait til I see my therapist monday, but of course in trying to take things slower I've postponed coming out to my parents. I want them to understand why all this is going on with me, but I've only ACCEPTED my being trans for a month, which is a short amount of time. I'll wait til christmas maybe, or maybe even sometime next year when I've had a lot of time to think.

Quote from: Elwood on July 24, 2008, 07:51:40 PM
Now, I do have one problem I'd like to acknowledge. If you HAVE to wear boy's clothes to be yourself, there's a problem. You should be able to be yourself in a ball gown. You need to develope that integrity, be a man no matter what you look like or what the others say. You know? This doesn't mean you aren't trans or something, it just means you need to stand up for you identity more.

Ah. The thing is, yeah I probably should develop some kind of integrity and self esteem. I always get self conscious when I'm shopping in the guys section, like every pair of eyes is on me. I understand that's something I need to work on, whether I'm a guy or not. It's just that there's a history with me and clothing, so it's kind of a big deal for me. I was always one of those 'girls' who were told by a lot of people they were pretty all their life and never believed it. I was one of those kids who HATED wearing dresses but would do so at 70% of big events just because it made my mother happy since I rarely ever wore them. Meanwhile, I'd be miserable the entire time. I hated the make up she'd make me wear, I hated the uncomfortable shoes, hell I hated earrings and thought they made me look uglier. So clothes are a big thing with me because 20 years of my life have been devoted to making other people happy at the expense of my own happiness, with at least half of those times involving gender specific clothing. Even last year when I thought I was supposed to start acting like "less of a tomboy" just because I was "growing up," I went on shopping trips to buy tighter and girlier clothing. I was uncomfortable and depressed the whole time because I felt like part of me was dying, but my mom was ecstatic because she really thought I was "growing up" so I continued with the charade. Even after I bought all of those clothes, I still felt disgusting, like they weren't right for me..... Does that somewhat explain?

Quote from: Elwood on July 24, 2008, 07:51:40 PM
Real men do cry, and real men do wear pink.  :P

Haha I've always felt ashamed about crying, even when I thought I was a girl. I would make sure I was alone before I let it rip, then if someone knocked on my door I'd rub my face dry, so hard that I felt like I was scraping the skin off.


Quote from: sneakersjay on July 24, 2008, 07:57:13 PM
I'm allowing myself to just BE ME.  And that is MALE.  Even though I'm not yet on T, even though I have not had any surgeries, even though I have not changed my name legally, even though I do NOT PASS, I have more confidence in myself, I'm more outgoing, more comfortable in my own skin.  That is something I can't really explain to people who have not lived in my shoes.

That's great Jay!! I need to be more of myself. Since I started with my therapist a few months ago, I've started slipping more and more into myself, but I need to really be myself around the clock. I don't pass either and I probably won't for a long time, but I don't care. I have such a soft face, and I'm not very hairy...but today I went shopping, never got "sirred" but I dressed how I wanted, acted how I wanted, and I was myself. And I've never been happier. :) I feel like today was a great day, much better than yesterday, and I hope to have more days like today.

Quote from: sneakersjay on July 24, 2008, 07:57:13 PM
I've led a full happy life with no regrets.  I've done very cool things with my life.  Overall I'm happy with it.  BUT!  I always felt something was wrong, that I was a fraud, but I could never put my finger on it.  It was like living my life in a plexiglass box, participating in life but with a wall around myself preventing my real self from just BEING.

YES! Exactly!! I've always felt somehow like an outcast in this world, and that I'm such a good liar I lie to myself...I've been lying to myself for 20 years. So now I'm finally taking the time out to be honest with myself and be myself and love myself....Cause I need to be the most important person in the world to me before I can ever have anyone else important to me. I need to stop lying and take the time out to ask myself, "is this what I want? is this what I like?"

Quote from: sneakersjay on July 24, 2008, 07:57:13 PM
I've been full time since 4/1, so almost 4 months.  I'm not yet on T. On the one hand I wish I had it from day 1; on the other I'm glad that overall transition will take at least the next 8 months (hysto, T, then top surgery in Feb; with the name change filed to coincide with after Christmas, I think, so I can travel for top surgery as a male).  All told that's not a lot of time at all, when you think about it.

At first I was like, oh, okay, I'm male.  I can dress male, cut my hair, and pack and nobody has to know.  Then it was like boobs and bra, yuck, I have to bind.  Then it was like, if I have another visit from Auntie Flo, I'm gonna scream!!  So those parts have to go NOW!  Then it was like, I need T to pass.  And the more I bind the more I want the lumps gone....your schedule and timetable may vary.

Research, research, find a therapist and talk, talk, talk, and remember that we are here for you.  Many great guys were there (and still are) for me and it made all the difference.  If I hadn't met a local guy my journey would have taken a whole lot longer.

Jay

I can't wait til I get to fulltime, but I'm not going to rush into it. I'm going to figure out who I am, what I like, and all that jazz before I give this anymore SERIOUS thought. For now I just know one of my quirks is I like dressing male, and I like short hair (I'm getting my hair cut!) so maybe I'll transition into all those steps eventually, maybe I won't. Maybe I'll just be happy with who I am (though I doubt it since I would really really like to grow my own beard). Thanks for that Jay :)



Quote from: J.T. on July 24, 2008, 11:18:19 PM
ah, don't worry about all that stereotypical "male" crap.  if this feels right for you... it is.

Ah no, I'm not trying to be stereotypical, sorry for not explaining. My farts have always been really ripe and stuff and lately when I fart, I announce that I did it. It grosses my sister out, she runs out the room...it amuses me :) She's always said that my room has a certain "smell" to it because of stuff like that, for years.
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Elwood

If you can get your mind off of trans issues for a while, you might feel a whole lot better. As for the tattoo, you could try covering it, depending on where it is.

Quote from: trapthavok on July 25, 2008, 10:04:23 PM
Quote from: Elwood on July 24, 2008, 07:51:40 PMIt IS possible that you're obsessing and blowing your guyhood out of proportion. HOWEVER, being obsessive does not make a person transgendered. Don't you worry; the fact that you're asking these questions really shows that you are transgendered. A person who was just obsessing wouldn't stop and take a look and really worry if their feelings are valid. You're okay, man.
Thanks for that. I'm really really trying hard to take all of these things slow and sort out my feelings, but I guess I'm just a fast-paced impatient type of person. I can't wait til I see my therapist monday, but of course in trying to take things slower I've postponed coming out to my parents. I want them to understand why all this is going on with me, but I've only ACCEPTED my being trans for a month, which is a short amount of time. I'll wait til christmas maybe, or maybe even sometime next year when I've had a lot of time to think.
Yes. We all want to go faster. But I know that if I started taking T the first month I would not have been ready. I've known my gender identity for a year, practiced it for longer, and came out 6 months ago. I don't even think I'm entirely ready to start T today (for social reasons). I'd probably be more ready if my mother didn't hate it so much. I have to get over her guilt and her grieving and do what's right for me. But because I am somewhat passive, it's hard to defy her.

Coming out later might be a good idea. Your parents will gradually see the signs instead of being surprised by it. My mom was playing stupid when she was acting surprised. I'd been dressing like a boy for a little less than a year at that point (I was a cross dresser before I realized I was trans). My dad noticed my gender "confusion" 4 months before I told my mom.

Quote from: trapthavok on July 25, 2008, 10:04:23 PM
Quote from: Elwood on July 24, 2008, 07:51:40 PMNow, I do have one problem I'd like to acknowledge. If you HAVE to wear boy's clothes to be yourself, there's a problem. You should be able to be yourself in a ball gown. You need to develope that integrity, be a man no matter what you look like or what the others say. You know? This doesn't mean you aren't trans or something, it just means you need to stand up for you identity more.

Ah. The thing is, yeah I probably should develop some kind of integrity and self esteem. I always get self conscious when I'm shopping in the guys section, like every pair of eyes is on me. I understand that's something I need to work on, whether I'm a guy or not. It's just that there's a history with me and clothing, so it's kind of a big deal for me. I was always one of those 'girls' who were told by a lot of people they were pretty all their life and never believed it. I was one of those kids who HATED wearing dresses but would do so at 70% of big events just because it made my mother happy since I rarely ever wore them. Meanwhile, I'd be miserable the entire time. I hated the make up she'd make me wear, I hated the uncomfortable shoes, hell I hated earrings and thought they made me look uglier. So clothes are a big thing with me because 20 years of my life have been devoted to making other people happy at the expense of my own happiness, with at least half of those times involving gender specific clothing. Even last year when I thought I was supposed to start acting like "less of a tomboy" just because I was "growing up," I went on shopping trips to buy tighter and girlier clothing. I was uncomfortable and depressed the whole time because I felt like part of me was dying, but my mom was ecstatic because she really thought I was "growing up" so I continued with the charade. Even after I bought all of those clothes, I still felt disgusting, like they weren't right for me..... Does that somewhat explain?
DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT! When I first shopped in the boy's section, I also thought everyone was looking at me. I realized they were staring because I was wearing a suit jacket, not because I looked like a girl in the boy's section. It's weird to go to Sears in clothes you got from Van Heusen... Perhaps they're staring at you because of your style. Also, I know that anyone who isn't white gets stared at. Black people, Asian people, Mexican people, redheads, Native Americans... I don't know why, but people get stared at if they're not the "typical Caucasian." So you could have people staring at your beautiful skin. As weird as this sounds, you seriously do have a very nice color. I personally have a farmer's tan and on the tan parts I'm slightly olive. Some people stare at me because I have freckles. People look at things they see "out of the ordinary," you know?

I was also one of the "girls" who was told she was pretty and stuff... I didn't believe them, but then I realized that I do really have good female features. If I was a girl, I'd be very lucky. Being a guy in a pretty girl's body, however, is a great inconvenience, I'm sure you know.

For a while I actually liked skirts. When I start T and start really looking male, I'm sure I'll be seeking a kilt, haha. But I know what you mean. A lot of girls don't like to get fancy. I did not particularly like girly dresses, make up, or anything. I like earrings just fine, I guess... I don't know. I've learned after trying a suit that I love suits and I want to wear them to every formal event! I don't know if it's JUST because it's male, though. I think they're sexy on guys and girls.

What you are saying does sound right to me. But there's one thing I don't understand about transmen; that they're disgusted by anything female.. I personally would love dresses and girly clothes if I had a more masculine body. I'd possibly even be one of those guys who cross dresses once in a while. I'd probably show up to the Comic Con as like ManFaye (Faye is a female character from Cowboy Bebop) or something.

Quote from: trapthavok on July 25, 2008, 10:04:23 PM
Quote from: Elwood on July 24, 2008, 07:51:40 PMReal men do cry, and real men do wear pink.  :P
Haha I've always felt ashamed about crying, even when I thought I was a girl. I would make sure I was alone before I let it rip, then if someone knocked on my door I'd rub my face dry, so hard that I felt like I was scraping the skin off.
I think I'm slightly ashamed of crying, because I don't weep. I kind of just breathe heavily and let the tears fall. I try not to have a twisted look on my face or anything. Crying looks beautiful on some people, but I think I look really feminine when I cry.

Quote from: trapthavok on July 25, 2008, 10:04:23 PM
Quote from: J.T. on July 24, 2008, 11:18:19 PMah, don't worry about all that stereotypical "male" crap.  if this feels right for you... it is.
Ah no, I'm not trying to be stereotypical, sorry for not explaining. My farts have always been really ripe and stuff and lately when I fart, I announce that I did it. It grosses my sister out, she runs out the room...it amuses me :) She's always said that my room has a certain "smell" to it because of stuff like that, for years.
That's not male! That's just gross.  :-\ SOME males do that. I also know girls who do that...

But yeah. The "I farted" thing tends to be funny sometimes. I used to like fart jokes so much that my friend and I would make fart noises with our hands in the back of my History class while everyone was testing or reading. Ah, so many heads turned.
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