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Started by Joseph, July 19, 2008, 10:08:30 PM

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Joseph

Hey all, it's been a long time since I last posted but I have still been reading this board recently.

I have no doubt that I am a male, stuck in a female body.  However, at this point I don't see myself ever transitioning.  Don't get me wrong... I would love to transition.  But there are a number of factors that are keeping me from doing so.  One main issue is just the negativity in the general populace towards transsexualism.  I don't think I can put up with being labeled as a freak for the rest of my life, and if I go stealth, I figure there will always be that fear deep down that someone will discover my secret.

One factor that plays into this is just having to go see a doctor at random times.  I imagine that if I do transition, I will probably see a regular doctor (for checkups and such) who knows about my condition.  However, say I am out of town and some freak accident occurs.  I fear being taken to some hospital, being seen by medical staff who don't know me, and that moment of "holy ****, this guy's really a SHE".  Or, it might even be that while in my hometown, I develop some disease that my regular doctor can't treat, and I have to go see some new doctor, and then my secret is out.

Gah...  :P I know this may all sound silly but if I transition I don't want ANYONE to know that I had a female body at one point, and this thing about doctors who are unfamiliar with me is just one of the many issues that I have with transition.  Any thoughts, particularly from those who have partially or fully transitioned?

Thanks,
Joseph
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Lachlann

Dude, I'm exactly the same way.

I don't think I could handle the negativity either and I really don't want to have to deal with it. And, yeah, I'm worried about being labelled a freak too. And I most certainly do not want people to know I had a female body in the past. I don't even want to be labelled as transgendered, but theres no way going around that... I have this condition and I can't deny it. I wish I were born in the body I was supposed to have, but I wasn't.

So what you're saying here isn't silly. At least not to me... and I'm pretty sure theres a bunch of guys here, too, that will be sympathetic in those regards as well.

And you know what? Even though there are negatives to transitioning, I think its worth it, personally. Do I really want to live in a female body and suffer because I'm afraid of people finding out that I had a female body? Does me being afraid of being found out or labelled overpower the anguish I'm going through? I don't believe that in life that you can get something without suffering for it. I believe that when you find something good, theres always a downside. You just have to weigh in what matters and if in the end, is it worth it or not? In reality, if it wasn't me being transgendered that would get people to make fun of me or call me a freak, it'd probably be something else. People can be cruel. I don't like it anymore than you do, but I guess I've learnt that its apart of life and that I can't run away from it no matter what. No matter what I do, someone is going to have a negative opinion about me.

I'm still self-conscious about the same things you are, but I'm trying not to let it dictate what I want and what I need.
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Don't hold back and always know, all the answers will unfold
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Elwood

Quote from: Joseph on July 19, 2008, 10:08:30 PMI have no doubt that I am a male, stuck in a female body.  However, at this point I don't see myself ever transitioning.  Don't get me wrong... I would love to transition.  But there are a number of factors that are keeping me from doing so.  One main issue is just the negativity in the general populace towards transsexualism.  I don't think I can put up with being labeled as a freak for the rest of my life, and if I go stealth, I figure there will always be that fear deep down that someone will discover my secret.
I've learned the secret to it all, I think.

Trans people are not freaks. Just like gay people aren't freaks. A lot of people just don't get it. I'd rather be happy and a freak anyway than lie to myself any everyone else for the rest of my life.

Quote from: Joseph on July 19, 2008, 10:08:30 PMOne factor that plays into this is just having to go see a doctor at random times.  I imagine that if I do transition, I will probably see a regular doctor (for checkups and such) who knows about my condition.  However, say I am out of town and some freak accident occurs.  I fear being taken to some hospital, being seen by medical staff who don't know me, and that moment of "holy ****, this guy's really a SHE".  Or, it might even be that while in my hometown, I develop some disease that my regular doctor can't treat, and I have to go see some new doctor, and then my secret is out.
I don't think they'd say you're really a she. They'd more likely either not figure it out and think you're a natural he (which is dangerous because of medications) or they'd say, "Oh, he's a post-op ->-bleeped-<-, let's take the precautions for this sort of man." Most doctors are aware of transsexuals and at least their process if not also their identity. Most of the doctors I've spoken to respect that identity.

I say a person can't be a ->-bleeped-<- and keep it a total secret. Especially not me. I want to be an actor. But am I going to let my female body get in the way? Hell no. So I'll transition. And the world will probably know I'm a ->-bleeped-<-. And I'll show them that ->-bleeped-<-s really aren't so damn bad.

Quote from: Joseph on July 19, 2008, 10:08:30 PMGah...  :P I know this may all sound silly but if I transition I don't want ANYONE to know that I had a female body at one point, and this thing about doctors who are unfamiliar with me is just one of the many issues that I have with transition.
I'd feel the same way, but I've come to accept the fact that I'll never be a 100% normal male. I've got to try to be happy with what I can have.

Quote from: Monty on July 19, 2008, 10:32:29 PMAnd you know what? Even though there are negatives to transitioning, I think its worth it, personally. Do I really want to live in a female body and suffer because I'm afraid of people finding out that I had a female body? Does me being afraid of being found out or labelled overpower the anguish I'm going through? I don't believe that in life that you can get something without suffering for it. I believe that when you find something good, theres always a downside. You just have to weigh in what matters and if in the end, is it worth it or not? In reality, if it wasn't me being transgendered that would get people to make fun of me or call me a freak, it'd probably be something else. People can be cruel. I don't like it anymore than you do, but I guess I've learnt that its apart of life and that I can't run away from it no matter what. No matter what I do, someone is going to have a negative opinion about me.
Exactly. If I'm going to present myself as male anyway, I don't see how transition could hurt me.
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Joseph

Quote from: Elwood on July 19, 2008, 10:57:40 PM
Trans people are not freaks. Just like gay people aren't freaks. A lot of people just don't get it. I'd rather be happy and a freak anyway than lie to myself any everyone else for the rest of my life.

Hey Elwood.  Thanks for your reply.  I totally agree that trans people are not freaks.  However, it seems most of the world doesn't agree with me and I don't really feel like going on a crusade to change their minds about this issue. 

This is going off-topic, but I may as well explain why I'm probably not going to transition.  As annoying and paralyzing as gender dysphoria can be at times, I also find that there are other issues that often transcend my dysphoria.  In addition to us, there are people out there struggling with poverty, broken families, other medical issues like autism, etc... and if you believe there's a God, there's the issue of what's going to happen after you die (eternity is a long time) and how to get to where you want to go.  Of course, I'm not saying that you can't deal with those things and also transition, but I'm not sure the time, effort, and money spent on transition is worth it to me in light of those things, especially if I'm considered a freak as a result.  I want to help people who are hurting and in need of encouragement.  I want to share my views on God with people who have genuine questions.  I can already do those things.  Transitioning will mean a significant amount of time and resources spent away from those things, in addition to cutting ties with people and being a total emotional drain to my family.  I already have guy friends who meet my needs for guy bonding (some know who I really am), I fit in well where I am despite my gender issues, I have a loving family, and I've made peace with the prospect of being single for the rest of my life (many people are lifetime singles anyway, even if they don't struggle with gender issues).  Transitioning to cure my annoyances about being female doesn't seem to be worth it right now.  I suppose I should also mention that I believe in a life-after-death, in a heaven where gender dysphoria won't be an issue any longer.  Compared to eternity, this life is pretty short.

Quote from: Elwood on July 19, 2008, 10:57:40 PM
I've come to accept the fact that I'll never be a 100% normal male. I've got to try to be happy with what I can have.

Exactly, though I recognize that my situation is probably different from other people here on these forums.  To those reading this, I respect whatever decision you have made (to transition or not transition).

All the best,
Joseph
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Lachlann

I don't really feel like going on a crusade to change people's minds anyway. Not my thing, not going to bother.

And if thats how you truly feel about it, more power to you. I don't see why helping yourself and doing something for yourself would make anything different, but if this is the path you want to take, then theres a lot of respect in that. I wish I could have the strength to do all that but I don't think I have it in me.

Whatever you decide, just make sure you are at peace with it. Thats all that matters in my opinion. :)
Don't be scared to fly alone, find a path that is your own
Love will open every door it's in your hands, the world is yours
Don't hold back and always know, all the answers will unfold
What are you waiting for, spread your wings and soar
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Chrissty

Quote from: Joseph on July 19, 2008, 11:53:01 PM
Exactly, though I recognize that my situation is probably different from other people here on these forums.  To those reading this, I respect whatever decision you have made (to transition or not transition).

Hi Joseph,

You know what I'm going to say.....This is the one place where you can be almost certain that there at least somone else in a very similar situation.... So I just wanted to drop in and offer my support to you.

I have been living with this for many years, and I have children that have been growning up with a "stable" family life. I feel pain inside about my condition, but I don't feel I have the right to inflict that pain on my loved ones while I feel can contain it. There is a balance, and it hasn't been getting any easier as I have become older.

I don't know if you have to be stronger to transition, or to "stay and fight". I really don't think there is any merit in debating the subject, it's much better to simply appreciate people for what thy are.

I'm envious of your faith, I have to get by with hope....It's enough for now.....

:icon_hug:

Chrissty
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GQjoey

I'm too tired/tipsy to read through all the posts, but I can understand where you're coming from. As far as being labeled a "freak" the rest of your life, says who? Once you start hormones, have surgery etc, no one is going to know unless you choose to tell them. And I know plenty of "freaks" so to say living where I do, and none of them are Trans lol. Being out of the "norm" is a beautiful thing in it's self, it shows you don't follow what society preaches, you're your OWN person.
As far as the being in a freak accident, oh man, have I had some crazy thoughts about that. But when it really comes down to it, anyone in the medical field has seen enough crazy sh** in their life, to not be surprised by what parts you may, may not have. Their job is to save lives, not worry about who you are.

I can't tell you how much anxiety I get when I go to see a new doctor, and get a physical etc, but the more you do it, the more you become comfortable with YOU. I just recently, at the age of 25 have been more open to people around me about being Trans. And I have lived "legally" as a male sine the age of 16. It took me almost 10 years to come to terms with the fact I will NEVER be a bio male, but that makes me no different, than any other male on this planet. You need to reach deep down bro, and realize even the most "normal" human being, is far from. We all have a story, don't be ashamed of yours.
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Elwood

Quote from: Joseph on July 19, 2008, 11:53:01 PM
Quote from: Elwood on July 19, 2008, 10:57:40 PMTrans people are not freaks. Just like gay people aren't freaks. A lot of people just don't get it. I'd rather be happy and a freak anyway than lie to myself any everyone else for the rest of my life.
Hey Elwood.  Thanks for your reply.  I totally agree that trans people are not freaks.  However, it seems most of the world doesn't agree with me and I don't really feel like going on a crusade to change their minds about this issue.
This is how I look at it; the majority of the people in the world are bigots, idiots, liars, cheaters, con artists and ->-bleeped-<-s. So you know what I say to them? Nothing. I ignore that massive chunk of the population. Who needs 'em? There are civilized cisgendered people I talk to, but there are a lot of rednecks here in Sonoma. I have to deal with a lot of bigotry and nonsense from a great deal of people, but somehow I manage to let that roll off my back like a duck in water. It used to bother me, but my own personal self confidence became more important to me than they're unsupported criticism.

Quote from: Joseph on July 19, 2008, 11:53:01 PMThis is going off-topic, but I may as well explain why I'm probably not going to transition.  As annoying and paralyzing as gender dysphoria can be at times, I also find that there are other issues that often transcend my dysphoria.  In addition to us, there are people out there struggling with poverty, broken families, other medical issues like autism, etc... and if you believe there's a God, there's the issue of what's going to happen after you die (eternity is a long time) and how to get to where you want to go.  Of course, I'm not saying that you can't deal with those things and also transition, but I'm not sure the time, effort, and money spent on transition is worth it to me in light of those things, especially if I'm considered a freak as a result.  I want to help people who are hurting and in need of encouragement.  I want to share my views on God with people who have genuine questions.  I can already do those things.  Transitioning will mean a significant amount of time and resources spent away from those things, in addition to cutting ties with people and being a total emotional drain to my family.  I already have guy friends who meet my needs for guy bonding (some know who I really am), I fit in well where I am despite my gender issues, I have a loving family, and I've made peace with the prospect of being single for the rest of my life (many people are lifetime singles anyway, even if they don't struggle with gender issues).  Transitioning to cure my annoyances about being female doesn't seem to be worth it right now.  I suppose I should also mention that I believe in a life-after-death, in a heaven where gender dysphoria won't be an issue any longer.  Compared to eternity, this life is pretty short.
Well, first, I don't believe in God or a life after death. So I can't help you there. Some people would say that transition is a sin. But because I think eternity would be Hell in itself and I would go mad, I would much rather live a good life while I can. I live under the assumption that my life is simply the perception of my brain, and that when my brain dies, time and existence stops for me. There isn't a Heavenly parade or Pearly Gates waiting for me. It will just stop. Just like Tony Soprano, it'll be lights out for me.

I don't think money is relevant to God, whether or not there is a God. See, the point of life is to survive. People claim that life is about caring for others, but if each person carried their own weight, the world would be stable. We've got a lot of lazy asses in this world that we feel like we have to take care of. Taking care of ourselves isn't hard, and there should be left over strength for helping the disabled people. But poor people? Most poor people are poor because they aren't doing something right.

Who considers you a freak after transition? You do. No one here is telling you you're going to be a freak. Why do you listen to what other people tell you? They also called black people freaks before they knew what being black was. You think society's got a damn clue what they're talking about? I don't know about you, but I wouldn't trust them for nothin'. They're full of crap. They talk simply to let hot air out of their heads.

If your God is more important to you than your personal happiness, more power to you. But I have a strong belief that no one is in the position to help others until they've helped themselves. A person must be in their best shape before they can expect to help other people get into shape.

But what Janet has said before is right. If you aren't willing to lose everything, don't transition.

Quote from: Joseph on July 19, 2008, 11:53:01 PM
Quote from: Elwood on July 19, 2008, 10:57:40 PMI've come to accept the fact that I'll never be a 100% normal male. I've got to try to be happy with what I can have.
Exactly, though I recognize that my situation is probably different from other people here on these forums.  To those reading this, I respect whatever decision you have made (to transition or not transition).

All the best,
Joseph
I appreciate that respect, Joseph. Thank you, and I respect your decision as well. Do what is best for you.

Posted on: July 20, 2008, 10:02:16 AM
Quote from: GQjoey on July 20, 2008, 05:25:06 AMI can't tell you how much anxiety I get when I go to see a new doctor, and get a physical etc, but the more you do it, the more you become comfortable with YOU. I just recently, at the age of 25 have been more open to people around me about being Trans. And I have lived "legally" as a male sine the age of 16. It took me almost 10 years to come to terms with the fact I will NEVER be a bio male, but that makes me no different, than any other male on this planet. You need to reach deep down bro, and realize even the most "normal" human being, is far from. We all have a story, don't be ashamed of yours.
I've gotten over it. My doctor knows that I'm trans, and she respects it. She completely understands. The best way to have an easy physical is to work with a doctor that works with you and respects you. Don't like the doctor you have? Get another one. No one makes you pay a doctor you don't like. That's what's great about this portion of the medical field. GPs are really flexible.
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PolarBear

Hey there.

I can understand why you make the decision not to transition. It's something that is on my mind as well lately, and I really am not sure yet. (Apart from being not sure whether I am male or female, that is).
I am very scared to be found out as well, at work, in public restrooms... I had not even considered visits to doctors that don't know me!  :-\

And, well, the fact that I would have to come out. That scares the #$%^ out of me. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if my grandmother would fall over and have a heart attack. And I really don't want to have that on my conscious.

You know... when I take all the reasons and explanations away, all that remains is that I am just freaking scared. Scared of all the things that could go wrong.
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trannyboy

This isn't to encourage or discourage you.

Medical crap happens, I went to the hospital in a rural area with repeated heart attacks and wasn't treated properly. They left me in the waiting room on the stretcher while damn near everyone in the little hospital peaked through the door at the ->-bleeped-<-. I had to call a friend to take me 2 hours to a better hospital where they treated me properly. However due to my health I have been in the hospital at least 3-4 times a year and that is the only time the discrimination was overt. The rest of the time it was calling me by my birth name before I could change it or that sort of thing. Since the name change I haven't had any problems. I have met wonderful doctors before and after in ERs but you do have to out yourself.

If you don't want to transition that is ok but make that choice for you not for those you are afraid of.

->-bleeped-<-boy
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