Quote from: tekla on July 22, 2008, 12:28:26 AMOdd, how there was just this big debate about excluding CD from TS meetings that now everyone has thier panties in a knot about this.
I don't have a knot over it. Because personally, I wouldn't care. However, I don't condone any establishment using prejudice as a means of organization.
You're just not getting it. This isn't only about cross dressers.
Posted on: July 22, 2008, 07:28:45 AM
Quote from: tekla on July 21, 2008, 11:48:38 PMActors, and rock stars, might have once got special treatment, but outside of LA, it ain't happening anymore.
Britney Spears, Lindsey Lohan, Paris Hilton, Nicole Richie, Bee-Hive Head, and OJ, dare I say?
Quote from: tekla on July 21, 2008, 11:48:38 PMWay back, once upon a dream as it were, I was working a NYE show with the Dead at Winterland when they had the Blues Brothers open the show. A whole lot of us skipped out on the set to have a party, thinking, and I'm not all that sure I'm wrong about it either, thinking that what they did was a poor rip off of the real blues guys we all loved - if not worshiped - for the sake of some show biz gig on TV. Now, I kinda wish I had bothered to watch them, but I'm also happy that I saw the real deal, John Lee Hooker, Albert Collins, Albert King, B.B. King and the rest when they still were young and could play, and most of all I'm happy that one night Robert Lockwood Jr. sat in and jammed with us. A direct link to Robert Johnson is pretty cool. Some white boys faking doing blues, less so.
Ah, I hate snooty blues listeners. They irritate me.
"Ah, our caviar and 10,000 year old wine is far too good for
white boy blues... it just isn't...
adequate."
The Blues Brothers band had some extraordinary musical talent in the band itself, despite the fact that the vocals were thrown together by amateurs. Many of the band members had already built decades of experience which is why they were one one of the biggest shows in New York. This wasn't some pity party, giving Dan Aykroyd and John Belushi spots on tour. This wasn't a push of encouragement for no-talents.
Because you assume that The Blues Brothers was merely a money scheme, just some tv gig, you don't know the history of the band or how it came to be. Both John and Dan had a genuine love for blues since they were both quite young. John, being a Chicago boy, had been influenced by it most of his life, though for many years he called it "rock" because he personally couldn't tell the difference. This was mentioned in his biography and if you don't believe me I'll cut and excerpt.
Notice that your "worshiped idols" gave attention to The Blues Brothers. John Lee Hooker, James Brown, Ray Charles, Aretha Franklin, B.B. King, Erykah Badu... There's a few more. These guys didn't say, "Let's insult the genre we love and work with these ->-bleeped-<-s for some extra money." There's no way that all of these guys were convinced that working with money-eating bastards was going to be their idea of a good time. Take James Brown for instance. He was not flexible at all during the production process. He wouldn't dub. His performance in the film is live because he didn't want to dub (also because he couldn't figure out how the Hell to do it).
Being old doesn't make a person loose play. I know this because I've seen many great musicians age who can still play. Usually the vocalists are the ones who lose their work sooner.
You're really just being a bully by now. A show off and you're trying to tell me that something I enjoy is bull->-bleeped-<-, fake, and full of crap. Yes, today? In Universal? It's fake, it's bull, and it's full of crap. I don't go see the new shows and I don't listen to the new records. Because it lost it's flavor when the 80's died.
Quote from: tekla on July 21, 2008, 11:48:38 PMA plot, is just a bunch of paper that you shoot a movie from. Its not real. Though shooting the film often is. A felony on film is not a real felony. What John did, the Coke and the Heroin was. Too bad the law could not save him from himself.
You mean 350 pages of it. Dan Aykroyd wrote one of the longest and most outrageous screenplays John Landis says he has ever seen. They had to cut it to 150, which was still too long.
The movie was based off of a band that had already been a band for 2 years, and a concept for longer than that. The film was made long after the idea was.
I've never said the film was real. You're throwing insults at me that are stating the obvious, things I've never said. You're downplaying my fandom by trying to make it look like I know nothing.
Guess what? The coke and heroin gave John a life sentence. Isn't that punishment enough? He died at 33 years old. Now would you stop taking a huge dump on his grave? It's old news.
Quote from: tekla on July 21, 2008, 11:48:38 PMAnd its not like I don't like them. Together they were about as good as any duo short of Allen and Burns. Alone, DA was weak, but JB, well, Animal House is a classic for good reason, though anyone who went to private collage in the 70s does not see it as a comedy as much as a documentry.
That happens to be your preference and weak opinion. The fact that Dan Aykroyd with Harold Ramis pioneered a couple of some of the best known films tells me that they were at least strong as writers if not also performers. John died, more than half of his films went unnoticed. Dan's alive, and yes, a great deal of his work went unnoticed. But I'd have to say Dan's work has survived and John's is slowly disappearing. It upsets me, but as far as someone being "weak" and "powerful" as a performer, I'd have to disagree with you. John was doped out in most of his films (except his last), Dan was definitely stoned in a lot of The Blues Brothers but he eventually sobered up. A person with experience can see this in the films, and when a person is not sober it really messes up the film.
Mind you, John did not write Animal House. Harold Ramis did.
Quote from: tekla on July 21, 2008, 11:48:38 PMBut deserving of some sort of special treatment vs. people who work for a living. I'm not buying that junk. Nor do most Americans I don't think. So if you are an actor - and a famous one at that - get busted in LA, but not Des Moines. It will make a difference.
I don't see your point. Since I don't plan on being a drug addict any time soon, it doesn't apply to me. I don't plan on doing drugs at all. It would interfere with my transition.
Posted on: July 22, 2008, 07:46:02 AM
They weren't famous because they completely sucked and were losers. :icon_rolleyes: It's a very competitive industry.
