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Started by irfakt, April 12, 2008, 11:40:43 PM

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irfakt

During the last few months I've started developing feelings for my best friend. Think I'm in love. He has no clue about it, and neither does he know about my "transgender issue", as I'm currently pre-everything. In some six months' time, we will be moving in together in an apartment in another city to go to college there. I always planned on starting my transition then, when I'm out of high school and my parent's home.

But now this has suddenly made matters much more complicated. He isn't a homophobic person and I guess my transition probably (As you can never really know how someone will react.) wouldn't bother him that much. But now that I'm starting to like him a lot I really don't know what to do with all that. Should I admit I'm love with him, and make no mention of transition? Should I only mention transition and hope the feelings will go away? Or should I admit everything? Or nothing at all?
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Wing Walker

Either your situation sucks or it is not as you think it is.

How long have you been best friends?  How deep and intimate (yes, guys can get to know much about one another's feelings) is it?  Have you ever embraced as friends do, not out of romance, but because you're old friends?

Think things over before you come to any conclusion.  Think well before you draw any conclusion and make any moves.

I hope that this helps.

Sincerely,

Wing Walker
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Nero

I wouldn't confess your feelings before coming out to him. If he reciprocates, then the relationship will be based on his assumptions that you're the other gender. So, if you're going to come out - come out, wait a  decent while for him to come to terms with it and then confess your love.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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irfakt

Quote from: Nero on April 13, 2008, 12:12:05 AM
I wouldn't confess your feelings before coming out to him. If he reciprocates, then the relationship will be based on his assumptions that you're the other gender. So, if you're going to come out - come out, wait a  decent while for him to come to terms with it and then confess your love.

Probably the smartest thing to do. :P

Quote from: Wing Walker on April 13, 2008, 12:05:30 AMHow long have you been best friends?  How deep and intimate (yes, guys can get to know much about one another's feelings) is it?  Have you ever embraced as friends do, not out of romance, but because you're old friends?

Best friends for some four years, pretty much since we met. We've had some of our fights during those times, but nothing serious. I'd say we have a pretty deep relationship.
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Nero

Yeah, you wouldn't want to start something potentially really special on the wrong foot.
Now, if the plan is to be 'friends with benefits', go ahead and hit it. But if he's relationship material, I'd wait.
Wish you all the best.  :)
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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irfakt

Was planning on coming out to him today, but I chickened out. Not so sure what to do anymore. -.-
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Terra

I'm not sure how much I can help but here is my 2 cents.

First, like Nero said, come out to him. The second part isn't so easy. It requires you to gauge his reaction to your transition, and also if his feelings to you have changed.

I'm not sure coming out to him would be the best choice for some time. At least not until you dress or look more female. If you already look female then you might be able to do so sooner. The reason I say this is that otherwise he would probably have to remind himself that you are a girl, even if you look like a guy at the time. Unless he was bi then again, the situation might be different.

Most guys, no scratch that, most people expect what they see. If they see a boy then they expect a boy, vive versa for a girl. So if you look like a girl, then he would have an easier time accepting that you like him in a romantic way then if you look like a guy.

Of course, this is all my own experience and conclusions. You know your friend better then us, so I hope things work out between you two.
"If you quit before you try, you don't deserve to dream." -grandmother
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irfakt

So, this is the situation.

Tonight, I told him about me being transgendered. Finally got the courage to tell someone. Decided not to tell him I'm in love with him, for now.

It's strange, really. All this time, I thought if I admitted it to someone, I'll feel better. But I don't.

He took it really good. He told me whatever I do, he'll always support me. But I don't feel better. In fact, I feel even worse then before.

It could be that I'm spoiled. I really don't know what to do now or how to react on anything. I'm really happy I can count on him as a friend, but I know I'll never be able to be with him. Feel so confused. Up until now, no one IRL knew about it. I feel like a I finally got rid of a burden, but now I have an even bigger now. It suddenly seems so real. Like this is no more of an internet thing, that can end if I simply stop coming to this (and similar) sites. Now it's something REAL. Don't know really how to explain it. I feel both happy and sad at the same time. Told him about my depression, told him how I tried to commit suicide a year ago.

That's something I never mentioned to anyone. Not even on the internet. Bloody words just came out of me, even though I prepared a whole speech before. But when I talked to him, couldn't remember it. I don't know how other feels about their own problems, but I really hate all of this. Hate myself more than anything else in the world.

If you're interested, this is what happened. A little more than a year ago, I felt really depressed. Had no one to talk about it, no one to tell me what's troubling me. I decided to end it all. Got a bunch of sleeping pills. Decided I'm going to take them all at the same time, cut my wrists, and wait to, well, die. But I was too much of a coward, and couldn't do it. So I just laid there, with a bunch of pills in one hand, and a knife in other, crying. I really don't remember the time I felt more alone, and more vulnerable. Just wanted this nightmare to end. I thought about my family and all my friends. I love them, I really do. But this is something I have to do for myself. I feel like I'm going to blow up if I don't do anything about it, but at the same time I feel like this  might be just a phase. When I read other people's posts about it, I feel like they know 100% about themselves and how they're sure they want to change their gender.

I really don't know. From the day one, I feel like... well, confused. Don't know how to express it with words...

I hate how I am now. Everything feels so... wrong. I know I want to be a bloody girl. I want to wear skirts and high heels.  But at the same time, I'm afraid none of this is real. That all of this is just a thing everyone goes through their teenage years and that I'm just wasting my energy on something that's isn't real.

I decided now. I'm going to look for a psychiatrist. I've postponed it long enough. All this time, I wanted to wait until I go to college. But I really can't do it anymore. That's still months away, and it really feel like I have to wait forever. I'm not going tell my parents, not prepared for that. But I will tell them I really feel confused and depressed and that I'm looking for some help. Hopefully, they'll help me find one I can talk to. And not tell them about it.

That's all I can say for now. Tomorrow I'll probably make a more coherent post. But for now, I feel so confused, so messed up, so alone. Really don't know how the rest of you go through with all of this. Hope I make some sense.
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Nigella

Quote from: irfakt on April 19, 2008, 08:00:49 PM

I decided now. I'm going to look for a psychiatrist. I've postponed it long enough. All this time, I wanted to wait until I go to college. But I really can't do it anymore. That's still months away, and it really feel like I have to wait forever. I'm not going tell my parents, not prepared for that. But I will tell them I really feel confused and depressed and that I'm looking for some help. Hopefully, they'll help me find one I can talk to. And not tell them about it.

That's all I can say for now. Tomorrow I'll probably make a more coherent post. But for now, I feel so confused, so messed up, so alone. Really don't know how the rest of you go through with all of this. Hope I make some sense.

Hi irfakt,

I can't really say what might work for you but I thought about suicide, felt confused until I found out that I had GID. It all made sense after that. I am having counseling and attend a gender dysphoria clinic. My suggestion is you try and find if there is a clinic near you that specializes in gender dysphoria or seek out a gender specialist who has experience in transgender counseling. There maybe someone on this forum that knows your area and can recommend someone.

hugs

Nigella   
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Mari

Quote from: irfakt on April 19, 2008, 08:00:49 PM
It could be that I'm spoiled. I really don't know what to do now or how to react on anything. I'm really happy I can count on him as a friend, but I know I'll never be able to be with him. Feel so confused. Up until now, no one IRL knew about it. I feel like a I finally got rid of a burden, but now I have an even bigger now. It suddenly seems so real. Like this is no more of an internet thing, that can end if I simply stop coming to this (and similar) sites. Now it's something REAL. Don't know really how to explain it. I feel both happy and sad at the same time.

look sometimes when there are many things going on, and many things bringing different emotions you might feel like you don't know what are you feeling....
it sounds odd but that is happening to me all the time cuz i am stressed out over many things, and for every step forward i have to fight really hard so sometimes it feels like too much trouble for what appears to be not so much...
i recently came out, or disclosed my gender issues to very dear and significant person...
it all went fine she is acceting and ok with that, but still it kept me thinking about it the whole day...
i just wonder what will be when i tell someone who is not accepting ...
She is no longer trapped by destiny
And ever since she let go of the past
She found her life was beginning
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Elincubus

Quote from: irfakt on April 19, 2008, 08:00:49 PM
He took it really good. He told me whatever I do, he'll always support me. But I don't feel better. In fact, I feel even worse then before.

It could be that I'm spoiled. I really don't know what to do now or how to react on anything. I'm really happy I can count on him as a friend, but I know I'll never be able to be with him. Feel so confused. Up until now, no one IRL knew about it. I feel like a I finally got rid of a burden, but now I have an even bigger now. It suddenly seems so real. Like this is no more of an internet thing, that can end if I simply stop coming to this (and similar) sites. Now it's something REAL.

I can completely relate to that. I felt like this sometimes after I told my best friend (a guy by the way) two years ago that I'm bisexual and that's also the reason I still haven't told him about my gender issues--I know that he won't have a problem, but I guess it's just the fact that as soon as I tell a person in RL (an important one, too) it's, well, REAL...
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Nero

When I came out, I felt awful though everyone I'm out to so far has taken it really well and are very supportive. I felt well, embarrassed. Embarassed that I have this problem that I can't just suck it up and accept what Mother Nature dealt me. I felt both elated that the coming out part was behind me and that I was accepted but also bad for having such a condition in the first place. So I get what you're feeling.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Just Mandy

QuoteGot a bunch of sleeping pills. Decided I'm going to take them all at the same time, cut my wrists, and wait to, well, die. But I was too much of a coward, and couldn't do it. So I just laid there, with a bunch of pills in one hand, and a knife in other, crying. I really don't remember the time I felt more alone, and more vulnerable. Just wanted this nightmare to end.

That was me too a long time ago and without the sleeping pills... and I made it through one wrist... I stopped about the
time the blood from the artery started shooting across the room.... it was the luckiest cut in the world
for me because I would not be here today had I not panicked. I don't think we are the first people with GID that
wanted a way out.

Quote
I really don't know. From the day one, I feel like... well, confused. Don't know how to express it with words...

I hate how I am now. Everything feels so... wrong. I know I want to be a bloody girl. I want to wear skirts and high heels.  But at the same time, I'm afraid none of this is real. That all of this is just a thing everyone goes through their teenage years and that I'm just wasting my energy on something that's isn't real.
I felt the same way when I was a teen... "it could not be real... let me prove it" was my way of dealing with it. I can relate to
exactly what your saying. But for me it was real, I did everything I could do to fight it but in the end the pressure to
be yourself gets so intense that you cannot ignore it, you cannot fight it, you just give in to it.

irfakt .... you are not alone... many many girls(and boys) here have gone through the same things and can relate and can help
you get through it. Pills and knifes are not the answer... I've been there... that dark lonely place where death sounds so
nice... but I promise you life IS worth living, there may be dark moments when it seems like it's not, but you will find as
you get older you can do this and the good times will make those dark times seem so minor.

QuoteI felt well, embarrassed. Embarrassed that I have this problem that I can't just suck it up and accept what Mother Nature dealt me. I felt both elated that the coming out part was behind me and that I was accepted but also bad for having such a condition in the first place. So I get what you're feeling.

Perfect Nero... just perfect, that sums up with how I feel too. Why can't I just "man up" and get over this. It is embarrassing, I'm
not a weak person and it almost feels like a character flaw... if I just work a little harder I can beat it. But that makes
me unhappy... I'm happy as Amanda, it's who I am. :)

Amanda




Something sleeps deep within us
hidden and growing until we awaken as ourselves.
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irfakt

So, I've been thinking a lot recently.

We didn't discuss the issue again, neither of us mentioned it once. We still have normal talks, like nothing happened, but I don't think he's uncomfortable about it. -.-

So, more info about the college. I'm currently going to a high school in a smaller town (35,000 population). Was planning on going as a roommate with him in a nearby greater city (100,000 population), but I'm having second thoughts about it. The city is some 100 kilometers away from my home town, and I think that's too near for me to start transition. Also, there are no TG issues therapists around.

So my other option is to move even farther away, in a far greater city. (Some 500 kilometers away, 1,000,000 population.) and go to college there. Already got some info about a therapist over there I might start going. I discussed moving into that city with my parents, and they said if I want to then they have no problems with it. I think the city is far enough away for me to start transition, visit a therapist and simply move into a new environment for a fresh start. But then again, since it's a larger city, it's also a more dangerous one. (Last time they had a gay parade over there police arrested some thugs who wanted to throw Molotov Coctails on it.)
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tekla

I'm a huge fan of going away to college as far away from home as you can possibly get.  For me that was 2,000 miles. 

And larger cities are no more dangerous, its just that there are more people.  Access to what you want - other TG persons, therapy etc. - is a pretty important factor in deciding. 
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Just Mandy

I agree with tekla, but even if you can't move 2000 miles, move as far as possible.
There is a lot of independence that develops when you are fending for yourself. And you
do not realize how much you grow and change and become your own person until you
leave home. Parents have a profound effect on your life that you(and they) don't realize
while your living at home or even in the same city.

Amanda

Something sleeps deep within us
hidden and growing until we awaken as ourselves.
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Sandy

Quote from: irfakt on April 19, 2008, 08:00:49 PM
I really don't know. From the day one, I feel like... well, confused. Don't know how to express it with words...

I hate how I am now. Everything feels so... wrong. I know I want to be a bloody girl. I want to wear skirts and high heels.  But at the same time, I'm afraid none of this is real. That all of this is just a thing everyone goes through their teenage years and that I'm just wasting my energy on something that's isn't real.

I decided now. I'm going to look for a psychiatrist. I've postponed it long enough. All this time, I wanted to wait until I go to college. But I really can't do it anymore. That's still months away, and it really feel like I have to wait forever. I'm not going tell my parents, not prepared for that. But I will tell them I really feel confused and depressed and that I'm looking for some help. Hopefully, they'll help me find one I can talk to. And not tell them about it.


Confusion and depression are parts of GID.  Unfortunately, it is very real.  At least it was for me.  I thought it was just a phase too, but I wasted decades of my life.  And it may very well be real for you.  Even though you said you want to wear skirts and heels, you don't sound like a crossdresser.  If what you are looking for is to be a woman in society and you don't really get any erotic thrill from dressing up, then you may very well be transsexual.

Getting therapy is the very best thing you can do.  And do it as soon as possible.  Suicide is NOT the answer!  I thought it was also, fortunately, I wasn't very good at it either.  A therapist can help you sort out your feelings, help you find a doctor that can get you the medications you need and in general be there for you.

The feelings you have for your friend my be genuine or it may be as a result of your confused state of mind.  Unless you know him very well, and know that he will not be completely put off by it, I would not tell him your feelings for him.  At least not yet.  When you have an ability to clearly think things through, then revisit your decision.  Remember, once you tell him, you can't untell him.  You may lose a friend who is very dear to you.

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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irfakt

So, kinda a small update.

Yesterday we were hitch-hiking and no cars were stopping for a while so we had some time to talk about it. I opened the subject with a joke ("Meh. If I was a girl, someone would've probably picked us up by now."). We didn't have a serious conversation, mostly we joked about it, but he did make a few interesting comments. For example, he said I was just a confused gay in denial, to which I replied I'm going to be a lesbian and seduce both his girlfriend and his sister, to which he said he's going to seduce me if I turn out hot enough, etc. -.-
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deviousxen

Quote from: irfakt on April 13, 2008, 12:27:33 AM
Quote from: Nero on April 13, 2008, 12:12:05 AM
I wouldn't confess your feelings before coming out to him. If he reciprocates, then the relationship will be based on his assumptions that you're the other gender. So, if you're going to come out - come out, wait a  decent while for him to come to terms with it and then confess your love.

Probably the smartest thing to do. :P

Quote from: Wing Walker on April 13, 2008, 12:05:30 AMHow long have you been best friends?  How deep and intimate (yes, guys can get to know much about one another's feelings) is it?  Have you ever embraced as friends do, not out of romance, but because you're old friends?

Best friends for some four years, pretty much since we met. We've had some of our fights during those times, but nothing serious. I'd say we have a pretty deep relationship.

Its funny cause I'm kind of in a similar boat. The problem is how utterly insecure I am about my sexuality, so I basically decided to stay best friends. I also wouldn't want to initiate something right after the sad break up she had with someone else I'm good friends with. She knows all about me, and I love her dearly, but Its best we just stay friends for now. Now that I'm a bit rewired in the brain, I can just cuddle and not really care. I'm a lot more like some kind of younger sister figure, so it can stay innocent, which I like anyway...

But the thing is, is that something kinda almost happened AFTER I told them the majority of stuff.

So like Nero suggested. Tell them first about everything. Nothing works if you aren't on the same page. The worst that can happen is still having a supportive best friend who cares about you. Remember to always put that best friend thing first, and that includes letting them know what has been steering your life, and why. But like I also suggested... Some people are apparently more open to relationship thingys with people like us than I previously thought, so don't get your hopes up, but know that you may be pleasantly surprised one day like I kind of was. I made me feel a lot less like a hopeless freak. ;)
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irfakt

Didn't post here in a long time, simply because I didn't do anything worth writing about. I know, I'm such a chicken. -.-

Don't know if I mentioned, but I have an older brother. We're on very good terms, but like everyone else we like to try to annoy each other for fun every once in a while. Like me calling him a midget (I'm 174 cm tall, he's like 165) and him calling me gay. (It's just friendly teasing, though, nothing serious.)

And today a strangest thing happened. He came to me, chuckling, and he told me dad told him not to call me gay because he thinks there's a chance I might be one and that name-calling could upset me.

(Yeah, I know it sounds too trivial to revive a thread because of something like this, sorry about that. I'm just too much of a coward to do anything, so I mostly lurk at other people's stories and envy them for being brave.)
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