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Masculine Women?

Started by Buffy, June 27, 2007, 11:46:31 PM

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Shana A

Quote from: Nichole on July 21, 2008, 05:33:54 AM
What are masculine, androgyne, non-binary, and feminine traits? Could someone make a list, please?

Nichole

My lists are empty. There are simply human traits, as far as I'm concerned they're all without gender. People place assumptions of gender appropriateness onto these traits. I don't believe there are gendered feelings either.

Zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Lisbeth

Quote from: Nichole on July 21, 2008, 05:33:54 AM
What are masculine, androgyne, non-binary, and feminine traits? Could someone make a list, please?

Nichole

They are all socially constructed and so differ from one society to another.

Quote from: Hypatia on July 21, 2008, 04:07:30 AM
Brunette women with strong Mediterranean features are the most beautiful to me-- like Sara Bareilles. Hmm, coincidentally, those are my traits too... go figure...

Oh! Sara Bareilles!  I though that was a picture of you when you were younger.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Lisbeth on July 21, 2008, 07:59:47 AM
Quote from: Nichole on July 21, 2008, 05:33:54 AM
What are masculine, androgyne, non-binary, and feminine traits? Could someone make a list, please?

Nichole

They are all socially constructed and so differ from one society to another.

Exactly. Do I believe there is a feminine and masculine? Yes, but it's not those traits that make the grade for defining that. And even with my belief I also think there is overlap to at least a small minority group anyhow. IOW, women tend to be wired for compassion (communion) and instead of "fight/flight" a "gathering and moving together under threat." Women tend toward having a dominant "semiological" bent, metaphors, visual "overall field" viewing, etc. Men have a bent for activity (agency), fight/flight and a focussed sight more adept to "hunting prey" rather than seeing a 'field." Some studies of sexual intercourse that show woman with an "overall feeling" of the event itself and guys extremely "focussed" seem to coorborate that.

Quote from: Lisbeth
Quote from: Hypatia on July 21, 2008, 04:07:30 AM
Brunette women with strong Mediterranean features are the most beautiful to me-- like Sara Bareilles. Hmm, coincidentally, those are my traits too... go figure...

Oh! Sara Bareilles!  I though that was a picture of you when you were younger.

I did as well when I simply saw the pic.
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Hypatia

Quote from: Lisbeth on July 21, 2008, 07:59:47 AMOh! Sara Bareilles!  I though that was a picture of you when you were younger.
LOL-- baby do you ever know how to flirt! Flattery will get you everywhere.  ;D No, I think I'm kind of cute, but Sara is drop dead smokin gorgeous. I like how she's so different from the run-of-the-mill blonde glamour babe look which is kind of boring. She even has the audacity to have small natural breasts in this day and age, imagine. So they call her "skinny" and "not glamorous."
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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Lisbeth

Quote from: Hypatia on July 21, 2008, 12:27:23 PM
Quote from: Lisbeth on July 21, 2008, 07:59:47 AMOh! Sara Bareilles!  I though that was a picture of you when you were younger.
LOL-- baby do you ever know how to flirt! Flattery will get you everywhere.  ;D 

I do know how to flirt, but I wasn't flirting.  The shape of your face, nose, eyes, hair, etc. are remarkably like hers.  The only givaways are the shape of your eyebrows and the width of your mouth.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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glendagladwitch

It always feels like a slap in the face when some guy says I do something really well for a girl or better than any girl he's ever seen.  I used to get that with guitar, but I kept improving, and the past couple of years people tend to say I play better than anyone they've ever seen.  I hadn't gone into a Guitar Center for a while, but I went in Yesterday and tried out a guitar.  There were about 20 wunderkins in there ripping out their best riffs, and I think it was the first time I didn't feel any jealosy at all.  I didn't have any of them gather around and kneel down and bow their heads and hands to the carpet and pray to the "Rock Goddess" like some have done in the past, but I could see some of them were thinking about it.  It was really crowded, though.

But the day before yesterday I was playing disc golf and some guys said I throw better than any girl they've ever seen.  Now, I've played at a course with a women's league and the scores posted, and I know there are a lot of women out there outscoring me.  So I feel a bit slighted.  I guess I will just have to work on it.
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Stealthgrrl

Quote from: Hypatia on July 21, 2008, 04:07:30 AM
Who was it who said the best male beauty always includes a touch of the feminine and the best female beauty always includes a touch of the masculine-- I think they were exactly right. I'm definitely hot for Johnny Depp.

Brunette women with strong Mediterranean features are the most beautiful to me-- like Sara Bareilles. Hmm, coincidentally, those are my traits too... go figure...



I, too, love the Med look. I find it interesting that it has become rather common for those women to want to alter their noses because they think they are too big. I've always thought their faces, and the rest of them, were gorgeous. So, it isn't just us trans who are forever chasing an ideal from someplace else.

One thing I had always admired and envied was girls with long dark hair. So, one of the first things I did when I began honoring my femaleness, was to go out and buy a wig like that. It's gorgeous, I still have it, even though I never wear it anymore, having grown my own hair long.

Sara is breathtaking. Thanks for sharing the picture of her, Hypatia.

Stealth
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gothique11

Then there's me (yay!). I have lots boy-ish traits but I some how pull it off some how, it seems. I don't really know how, but I don't get bothered for being a boy and people think I'm cute (especially to other lesbians, which works to my advantage.. I love being cute to other lesbians).

So, anyway, the lesson is to try to use those features as your advantage, rather than mis-advantage.

Here's me around July 7-ish... I forget the actual day we went out to the Calgary Stampede.



And here's one with me looking forward, and not a side angle (and yes, a different hat)




Oh, and this is me in May -- more of a close up pic.


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jixe

masculine femininity is so cooool.
my wife and I are masculine women  ;D
much like Eileen Davidson, except that she looks really tall!
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