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Another new boy in town: any other queer guys here? (long)

Started by Arch, July 29, 2008, 08:54:50 PM

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Arch

Now that I'm here, I have so much to say that I feel paralyzed. I guess I should try to categorize myself, distasteful though that can be. I am a no-ho, no-op queer boy. I've come to terms with my lower anatomy, but I might want top surgery at some point. I might want hormones, but mainly to change this girly voice I have. I hate it when people on the phone call me "ma'am."

It was very confusing going through life as both transgendered and gay--I mean, a biological female who is sexually attracted to males seems like a perfectly normal hetero, right?

Well, no. I have grappled with my weird proclivities all of my life. Kept it all a secret, of course. I didn't know that there were FTMs until I was in my late twenties, and I didn't know that there were gay FTMS until I was in my early thirties. Now I'm in my forties, but I still feel as if I am stuck at thirteen and don't know what to do about it.

I finally self-identified as FTM while I was an undergrad in college (I was a returning student, older than most), but I didn't quite know where to go with it. I started suppressing my identity while I was in graduate school after discovering that I could only handle one big issue at a time. Graduate school is a huge psychological and intellectual drain, and I just didn't have the emotional wherewithal to deal with my gender and sexuality issues at that time.

So for years I was kinda like those cowboys in BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN in that I would stuff my identity monsters in a box for most of the year and only let them out every couple of months, at which point I would go through a short phase of longing, anger, and depression. Then back to "normal" again.

This summer, I was going through one of these sessions (letting the monsters out for a short romp) and couldn't stop. I'm supposed to be writing my doctoral dissertation (hahaha), but I can't do that with these beasts rampaging around in my living room every day. They're out of my head now. They're out of control. And I am so tired of always keeping them hidden. So I made a decision: to just go with it, be who and what I am, and start counseling so I can figure out my next move.

I have waited a week to hear back from the GLBT Center here in town, only to find that their transgender counselor is booked solid and has a waiting list. I'll be receiving a list of other counselors by e-mail here in a day or two, and then I'll start the waiting game all over again. I have also tried to join a prominent FTM forum on Yahoo, but my membership has been pending for well over a week.

Gah! All of this waiting is driving me crazy. I'm on my summer break, so I spend my days watching gay movies and TV, surfing the Internet for "Queer Boy" t-shirts and freedom rings, and endlessly checking my status on the forum that I'm trying to join. And I talk to myself. And pace. And pace. And pace.

I am wearing holes in the carpet. It wasn't in very good shape to begin with.

Identifying myself as a gay boy was a very big step for me. All this time I have been telling myself that someday I hope to be a gay guy, after my dissertation is finished and I can turn my attention to the problem. No wonder I was so confused. I'm not hoping to be a gay guy, I AM a gay guy. Acknowledging that has made all the difference.

Unfortunately, it has also unleashed this cascade of formerly repressed feelings, so I am hoping that there are other gay boys here on the forum. I desperately need someone to connect with. I need to talk to people like me.

Anybody out there? Just say "hi" and let me know that I am not alone.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Nero

hey Arch, I'm Nero.

<offers hand>

You're not alone. I'm bi but have way more experience with men than women.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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NicholeW.

Welcome to Susan's, Arch.

Make yourself at home. I believe there are a couple of gay guys here. I'm sure they'll come in fairly soon.

Please take some time to read The Site Rules and on The Main Page you can discover Links, Chat and Wiki for your use as well. You might also want to go to the "Announcements" section and read the two posts "Post Ranks" and "Reputation Rules" to help you with some knowledge about when you can apply your own avatars, PM, and what those lil stars mean beneath all of our names and how to get them for yourself as well!! :)

It's great to have you here! :) Enjoy your stay.

Nichole
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Arch

Hi, Nero. Pleased to meet you. I guess I'll see you around the boards a lot. BTW, do you play the violin? (sorry, couldn't resist)

Nichole, I've read the suggested info. Thanks for steering me in the right direction. I think I used a bit of foul language at one point--I'll try to watch that. And I'm about to familiarize myself with all of the forums so that I know a bit more about them. I'm most particularly worried about straying from FTM stuff into sexual stuff--for me it might be difficult (the two are very closely intertwined sometimes), but I'll try to stay on the right forums.

I'm so glad I found this space.

"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Dennis

Welcome, Arch. Yep, we have a few gay guys here. I transitioned in my 40's, after law school. I did the same as you as far as putting the gender genie back in the box after finding out, late in life that it was possible. The genie didn't stay put though.

I lived as a lesbian for most of my adult life. Coming from either background, people seem to want to have their say about why it would be easier for you not to transition. For gay guys, they tell you you're narrowing your dating pool and why don't you just stay a heterosexual woman. For straight guys, they tell you you could just stay a butch lesbian. None of that is the point, though. It's your gender, not your sexual orientation, that leads you to transition.

However you choose to address your transition - whether you stay no-ho, no-op or take T, or get surgery, or whatever, we'll support you.

Dennis
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Aiden

Welcome

And yeh Sexual identity is a confusing thing for me.  I don't have a lot of desire for sex in itself, then again I'm missing a part.  If I had been born with that part I'd probably be more comfortable sexually with a woman.  Yet attachment wise right now, I am attracted to Feminine guys and masculine women, but lean more towards feminine guys.
Every day we pass people, do we see them or the mask they wear?
If you live under a mask long enough, does it eventually break or wear down?  Does it become part you?  Maybe alone, they are truly themselves?  Or maybe they have forgotten or buried themselves so long, they forget they are not a mask?
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trapthavok

Hey Arch

There are a few gay guys here, I'm sure you'll find them in time.

I think it's great that you finally want to be who you are. Once you discover it, there really is no turning back, it's like you can't pretend to be who you thought you were anymore (at least that's how I felt). It's never too late to finally be you.

Welcome to susan's :)
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Arch

Hi, Dennis, Aiden, and Trapthavok. I'm really glad to be here. (Maybe you can tell--I posted ten or twelve times my first day. Excitable boy. Although I'm sure some folks post a lot more.)

Aiden, are you a Trekkie/Trekker? I'm a fan of TOS and DS9 in particular, and I'm an SF geek. I'm raising a glass of prune juice in your honor...
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Elwood

Hmmm. I'm questioning. I consider myself gay (at least mostly) but I have a really low self-esteem. I keep thinking I'll never get things to work out because I don't have a penis...

But yeah. I feel the same way you do, except I have serious confidence issues. I guarantee you that if I had a penis I wouldn't be confused about how I want to have sex. But I have to "work around" the fact that I'm lacking, so I'm very torn.
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Aiden

Quote from: Elwood on July 30, 2008, 11:28:53 PM
Hmmm. I'm questioning. I consider myself gay (at least mostly) but I have a really low self-esteem. I keep thinking I'll never get things to work out because I don't have a penis...

But yeah. I feel the same way you do, except I have serious confidence issues. I guarantee you that if I had a penis I wouldn't be confused about how I want to have sex. But I have to "work around" the fact that I'm lacking, so I'm very torn.


Pretty much how I feel but better explained lol

Posted on: July 31, 2008, 12:49:20 AM
Quote from: Arch on July 30, 2008, 11:23:53 PM
Hi, Dennis, Aiden, and Trapthavok. I'm really glad to be here. (Maybe you can tell--I posted ten or twelve times my first day. Excitable boy. Although I'm sure some folks post a lot more.)

Aiden, are you a Trekkie/Trekker? I'm a fan of TOS and DS9 in particular, and I'm an SF geek. I'm raising a glass of prune juice in your honor...

Raises a glass of bloodwine in return.  Yeh, big into trek, mostly Klingons though.  Have been known to dress full Klingon at conventions.  Though I don't quite pull it off emotionally lol   Unfortunately I made my costume at a time when I was trying to act more feminine.  And the name had chosen was before realized I was Transgender.  A Klingon in costume name is easy to fix though, the costume...  I found stripping some stuff off helps, but good thing was planning on making a new one some point anyways lol (Used a poor choice in materials, doesn't breath and very very hot)




Posted on: July 31, 2008, 12:56:58 AM
Oh and if makes you feel better.  I spent 7-8 hours on here my first day LOL
Every day we pass people, do we see them or the mask they wear?
If you live under a mask long enough, does it eventually break or wear down?  Does it become part you?  Maybe alone, they are truly themselves?  Or maybe they have forgotten or buried themselves so long, they forget they are not a mask?
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Arch

Quote from: Elwood on July 30, 2008, 11:28:53 PM
Hmmm. I'm questioning. I consider myself gay (at least mostly) but I have a really low self-esteem. I keep thinking I'll never get things to work out because I don't have a penis...

But yeah. I feel the same way you do, except I have serious confidence issues. I guarantee you that if I had a penis I wouldn't be confused about how I want to have sex. But I have to "work around" the fact that I'm lacking, so I'm very torn.
I spent a few years in the 90s trying to figure out the whole penis angle. It was extremely confusing. I wasn't sure that I wanted one, but some of the literature that I was reading SEEMED to indicate that to be legally male, I would have to have a phalloplasty, and the surgery was extremely primitive (well, let's face it: it still is pretty primitive). In my sexual fantasies, I was both top and bottom, but that was because I had to play both parts in my mind. I remember thinking that if I could just split myself in two, then one of me could have the bottom surgery and one of them not.

I would make the perfect couple. Of course, I DID have a loving partner at the time...still do.

Anyway, I've come to realize that I am a bottom and that I don't need a penis. The two are not necessarily connected, but in my case it all worked out that way. Needless to say, this discovery was a big relief; I still like to fantasize about being naturally endowed, but I don't need it in real life. I think it helps that I see myself as a boy, not a man.

I feel bad for guys who want a reasonably nice penis and are confronted with the current state of phalloplasty. Deciding what to do must be incredibly stressful and difficult.

Elwood and Aiden, I'm not quite there yet--why would having a penis clarify everything for you sexually? Can you explain? I want to understand.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Aiden

I don't so much, except unlike you I was always in top in mind.  But unlike some on here, I don't feel like I require to have a sexual life.  Some might think it sad, but I could probably deal with just making myself happy, as long as still have sensitivity.  For some reason my mind sees it as something else am doing lol.
Every day we pass people, do we see them or the mask they wear?
If you live under a mask long enough, does it eventually break or wear down?  Does it become part you?  Maybe alone, they are truly themselves?  Or maybe they have forgotten or buried themselves so long, they forget they are not a mask?
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Elwood

I really, really want to have a penis that can at least erect on it's own. If it looks a little funny, I can handle that. But if it looks funny AND it can't erect, then I don't think the surgery is worth it...

I've never had a "fantasy" where I didn't have a penis. Not my whole life. And that's what's weird for me. I might have had this gender identity for much longer than I thought. Because I have post-traumatic stress (I was sexually abused as a child), I may also have some amnesia. My dad says I have serious memory issues, and I agree with him. Slowly but surely, I'm remembering parts of my past that I didn't before. One of them is that I always wanted to "grow into" a male body. I kept wishing it would happen. Even last night, I just thought about how convenient it would be if I could be the one "weird" person who suddenly had a hormone fluctuation that caused me to develop... but it just isn't going to happen.

I feel like I belong on top, but I also know that I would like oral. What's weird is that I already know the sensations. Either I'm tapping into the future when I will have a penis or I'm tapping into the past when I used to have one. Because I can describe what it feels like...

I am not confused about my sexuality. But I cannot act out on my desires. If I had a normal penis, then there would be no "obstacles." Because I have obstacles, it isn't fun. It isn't pleasurable because I can't just do it. But it's what I want.
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Nero

Quote from: Elwood on July 31, 2008, 01:11:41 PM
I really, really want to have a penis that can at least erect on it's own. If it looks a little funny, I can handle that. But if it looks funny AND it can't erect, then I don't think the surgery is worth it...

I've never had a "fantasy" where I didn't have a penis. Not my whole life. And that's what's weird for me. I might have had this gender identity for much longer than I thought. Because I have post-traumatic stress (I was sexually abused as a child), I may also have some amnesia. My dad says I have serious memory issues, and I agree with him. Slowly but surely, I'm remembering parts of my past that I didn't before. One of them is that I always wanted to "grow into" a male body. I kept wishing it would happen. Even last night, I just thought about how convenient it would be if I could be the one "weird" person who suddenly had a hormone fluctuation that caused me to develop... but it just isn't going to happen.

I feel like I belong on top, but I also know that I would like oral. What's weird is that I already know the sensations. Either I'm tapping into the future when I will have a penis or I'm tapping into the past when I used to have one. Because I can describe what it feels like...

I am not confused about my sexuality. But I cannot act out on my desires. If I had a normal penis, then there would be no "obstacles." Because I have obstacles, it isn't fun. It isn't pleasurable because I can't just do it. But it's what I want.

ok, you've got me curious. you mean you think you know what a head job feels like?
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Elwood

I believe I do. Not that I really want to try to describe it here. I don't think I could, really. It's very abstract. It's like you trying to tell me what sticking your hand in a bowl of water feels like.

Usually when I have phantom sensations it doesn't last long. But last night I swear it almost drove me crazy. I felt like it was all there, but when I'd look or feel for it, it wasn't. But I felt it. It's really starting to make me quite frustrated. I've heard this sensation is not uncommon amongst FtMs... Many FtMs claim to have it. I know that I had it like nobody's business last night. Very vivid and distracting. I couldn't sleep.  :-\
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Nero

hmm. i don't believe i've had any phantom penile sensations. so you can feel something where your frank and beans would be?
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Elwood

Yes, sometimes. Not right now. But I swear, last night it was like I had sweaty balls and I couldn't do anything about it. Because they weren't "really" there. It was actually quite irritating. But I also felt an immense emptiness. Feeling it but not having it is like waving a bone at a dog and not giving it to him.
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Nero

wow pretty wild. so packing doesn't help the emptiness for you, or does it?
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Elwood

Quote from: Nero on July 31, 2008, 02:37:54 PMwow pretty wild. so packing doesn't help the emptiness for you, or does it?
It does, sort of kind of... Obviously not as good as the real thing, but it helps.
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