Do I look androgynous?

[sarahb]

Maybe if you lived a bit in my skin, you'd get a taste of why I'm like I am.

Look, je. We all start out at a place exactly where you are. Most of us thought we could never pass. We were disgusted with the way we looked. However, the point I want to make here is that to pass you first have to let go of any preconceived notions of what you want to look like or how "beautiful" you want to be because then in the end you'll only be disappointed. What does passing mean to you? Is it being the most beautiful supermodel in the world...or is it being able to walk down the street without people taking a second look?

You have a good start with the features I detailed in my last post. With hormones your face will probably change a lot, especially only being 22. I know mine did, and I started at around the same age. No, it didn't reconstruct the bone, but in a lot of ways it accomplished the same result. If after that you are still not happy then yes, there is also the route of FFS. You're 22, a darn good age to get started on HRT.

Also, it doesn't seem constructive to me to bash the people who are replying to you trying to give you the advice and comments that you asked for. Foul language is not needed either, and only makes it less appealing to continue conversations with you.

[je]

I'm sorry for letting my anger run away with me.

However, the point I want to make here is that to pass you first have to let go of any preconceived notions of what you want to look like or how "beautiful" you want to be because then in the end you'll only be disappointed. What does passing mean to you? Is it being the most beautiful supermodel in the world...or is it being able to walk down the street without people taking a second look?

I want to be as beautiful as my cousin. I just want to at least be on par with my cousin or my sister.

If you want to see what my cousin looks like, I'll give out her face in a personal message only.

[Nero]

Je, the whole point of being trans is we don't look like our gender. Most of us will never look just like we were supposed to. Your cousin and sister are GGs. You can't compare yourself to them. It's pointless and will just make you miserable.

[Pica Pica]

oi oi oi oi oi.... (and various cockney/jewish type noises)

this is the androgyne forum, not the self haters forum - some perspective please.

So you ask us if your face is androgynous and we don't know because we are androgynes not androgynous-es, so we whitter about our uninformed first impressions.. indeed what i read here is that nero thinks you can pass with smaller eyebrows, i think you lips and eyes and hair are very feminine and Sarah thought you wanted to look andro-gyne (male-female) in which case you are perfect.

I think the general consensus was that you have some male characteristics but a lot of female ones too - hormones (as i've heard) should shape your body and soften your face, and with your growing knowledge and confidence in seeing yourself as a woman you will pass more and more. Most women have some masculine features as well.

[Audrey]

ouch

[Just Mandy]

Hi je,

You asked me to comment so I will.

Based on my own experience with my own ugly man face all I can tell you is
that hormones do work. They add a softness to your face, your eyes, your
body that will make you feel better about yourself.

You and I may never look like a model, but I think if you give hormones
time you will be happy. And if after a while you're not happy there is
always surgery.

Stop hating yourself... it's not productive... plan what you want and go
for it... you will not be sorry

Amanda

[Melissa]

The first thing I noticed when gendering you was the facial hair above your lips.  The second (from the side profile) was the brow bossing and flat slanted forehead, which is more typical in males.  Perhaps I'm better at gendering than the average person, but I can cansciously know what I am seeing.  I hope that helps.

[je]

Yea I f**ken know. I'm never going to be beautiful. f**ken god ruined it for me.

[icontact]

Je, like others have said, our pointing out the things that make you look male, it's to help you work to change those things to attain a look you like. It's not to incur any self-hate or to get you down. Okay?

-hugs-

We've all been there. Plenty of us still are. So chillax.

[je]

Alright I'm feeling a bit better. I want to stay that way. I'm locking this thread.