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Looking for someplace and people to talk with

Started by Windrider, August 13, 2008, 10:50:41 AM

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Windrider

Hello, I'm new here. I've been searching for a place to talk for a while now, and I'm very glad I've found this board. I suppose a bit of back story is in order...

I'm 36, female and the spouse of a MtF, Danielle. I suppose I/we are an oddity as this is the second time though this process for both of us. You see, we've been married for almost 9 years now. Shortly after we were married Danielle brought up her transsexuality and started thinking about transitioning. Ultimately she decided not to at the time. (For various reasons, most of which actually didn't relate to me.) So to fast forward to the present, we have recently moved and Danielle has a good job which she likes and in dealing with all of the changes, she says it destroyed her coping mechanisms that were supressing the transsexual feelings. This time, though, she has embraced being trans and is working towards transitioning.

As for me, well, I am trying to be supportive and understanding, but it has been very difficult. I've been looking for a place to talk with others who are going through what I am. A *nice* place, not one who encourages me to leave Danielle or one that tries to get me to make "her" go back to being "him". I went though those not-so-nice places the last time. You see, I don't *want* to leave Dani. I *want* her in my life. She's my best friend. But sometimes, I feel very lost and alone. See, Dani has all of her trans friends, friends I'm excluded from knowing, because I'm not trans. And that doesn't feel fair or right. It makes me feel left out and alone. I've tried letting her know this, but the response I get is usually to "find people to talk to." I don't think she realizes just how difficult that is for me. She wants me to go to PFLAG meetings. I'm generally not opposed, but I don't want to go to a group meeting all by myself and be stared at. I'm not comfortable with that right now. In some ways, the internet is easier and right now, that's what I'm looking for.

So I hope you will all welcome me.

WR
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christene

Hi Windrider,

May I first say welcome. It is so nice to see and hear from people like you who are supportive of your spouse. My s.o also has a hard time with this but is always there to talk to. We have gone back and forth a couple of times, but we love each other so much we always come back. I know she also has a difficult time trying to figure it all out. Was not exactly her dream growing up thinking she would be so involved and in love with a transexual....
Anyway, I think its great you found this little place and I am sure you will get lots of support. I know I have.

Christine
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sarahb

Hello WR, welcome to Susan's. We have a great community here that I'm sure you'll come to love.

I commend you for being able to stick it through with your SO. Unfortunately sometimes we feel the need to separate our TS life from our daily lives. I think it comes from habit due to the fact that we never could feel comfortable merging the two before. I would say the best thing you could do is to continue to show her that you're there for her and that you accept who she is and still love her. Maybe you could introduce her to this site as well and that would show her that you're more than just a mere SO that is accepting of her, but you're also an ally and want to actively engage yourself in her life, TS or otherwise. Do you think that this stems from her having a continued feeling of shame for being TS or something like that? It sounds like you're comfortable with everything, yet she's the one now that needs to become more comfortable with who she is.
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NicholeW.

Why, we are just about to start that, Windrider. Welcome to Susan's.

We do have SOs who post fairly regularly, although this board is a bit down right now. But, you are maybe the fourth or fifth in about the last 6 weeks to arrive.

We have a varied group of people who post here and I think you are going to find that a number of us transsexuals tend to be "on your side" of things. So, please don't feel like you must only chat with SOs. Become part of the whole group. And no question is wrong or dumb or anything of the sort.

If you want an explanation please do ask. Also if you just wanna explore your own feelings and responses with us all then I'm sure you're gonna get a lot of understanding and sympathetic responses.

You have the really tough part of this transition: you don't have GID and have no way of automatically understanding what and how Dani is going through. OTH, she has all theses ready-made defenses and withholding areas that she's used with herself and others to protect her own feelings and emotions over the years.

It's not an easy meeting place, but you certainly sound very committed to making the relationship with her work for you both and that is a wonderful place to begin.

Now for the more formal parts: Please take some time to read The Site Rules and on The Main Page you can discover Links, Chat and Wiki for your use as well. You might also want to go to the "Announcements" section and read the two posts "Post Ranks" and "Reputation Rules" to help you with some knowledge about when you can apply your own avatars, PM, and what those lil stars mean beneath all of our names and how to get them for yourself as well!! :)

I'll be looking forward to reading and responding to your posts and like I said, please feel free to ask any and all questions you may have of us; and don't hold back on your own answers to other's responses. You need support and understanding just as your SO does.

So, welcome and hope everything woprks out the way you wish it to. You sound like a very special SO to me. :)

Nichole
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Windrider

I want to thank you all for the welcome :) It's been very hard feeling alone. Dani is being very good about trying not to go full steam and make sure I feel OK with things before the next step.

I should mention that right now Dani is pre-everything. No dressing, no hormones, still very male in all respects. We're at the beginning of things. She does have a therapist she'd like to contact though. The therapist is experienced with gender issues and even does couples therapy, which I think is nice.

I started this time around with a much different viewpoint than the first time we discussed transition. The first time I pretty much prayed "it" would go away. I got my wish at the expense of Dani turning into a workaholic and generally uncommunicative about everything (think mono-sylabic answers to any subject you can think of.) This time around I took the approach of "transition will happen" and worked my way through things from there. I won't say I'm OK with everything, but I am trying to be accepting and working my way though my own issues.

I've conquered a few things, the biggest probably being why I was resistant to Dani's change at all. I was threatened by it, by the fact that Dani might turn out to be a "better" woman than I was. It was kind of blinding. I was like "wait, what? What's a 'better' woman?" Once I realized that there is no such thing as a "better" woman (unless you are making a comparison about a particular situation), I was ready to accept a lot of things. The "better" woman syndrome also had some roots in my childhood as I've never been particularly feminine. I've been a tomboy and probably will remain a tomboy all my life. I think it's ironic that the transition process has made me more comfortable with me, and I'm not the one transitioning :)

We really are committed to making our marriage work. We each don't want to lose the other. I've put to rest issues such as sex and being viewed as lesbian. I've realized that what other people call me does not turn me into that label. Sex, well, I've come to terms with the fact that I'm more near the bisexual node on the sliding scale. Oddly enough, realizing this didn't bother me at all. It was kind of like *click*...OK.

Some things have been oddly (and humorously) non-issues. Dani wanted to start doing some feminine things, such as shaving. I was OK with that, but a little nervous. When I first saw her after she shaved my thought processes ran like this: "Oh, is that a rash? What happened? Does it hurt?....*blink* Oh, she shaved.... Are you sure that doesn't hurt?" It turned out to be a surprising non-issue.

I've let Dani know that I'm OK with her dressing, at least a little bit. This is one of those issues where it's hard to say what I'm really OK with without seeing. I'm hoping the slow start will make it easier. I know she'd just love to go full blast.

I think the thing that hurts the most right now is the exclusion. I know Dani talks with other TS folks about what she's feeling and her questions, but what I can't seem to get her to understand is that while this is primarily about her, it affects *us*. I know she wants to give me room to deal with the changes and not pressure me, but the problem is I don't know what the changes are going to be if she doesn't tell me. Maybe some of this will change when she finally talks to a therapist or when we do. *sigh* I hate not being able to see the path.

Thanks again, for all your support. I greatly appreciate it!

WR
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NicholeW.

WR, I really don't think that any of us, transitioning either across sex-lines or within a committed relationship while the other transitions across sex-lines ever really sees the path. (Notice, the notion that you are transitioning as well.) You are and you must find your comfort zone as it happens; Dani will find hers as well. But, please never undercut within your own heart the fact that you are transitioning as well. You are and the fears and hopes on one side are no greater or harder than those on the other side of a dual-transition.

Just like Dani, you are going to need to give yourself permission to feel what you feel and to be able to name it and if it's unchangeable, then you'll simply have to embrace it.

There is no preview, I'm afraid. I would imagine we all wish we could see ahead, or get a foolproof guide of how to do this or that to make everything work out just lke we want it to. *sigh* No one's published that guide just yet and if they've written it they are very careful about whom they share it with. :)

There are some excellent resources available both on-line: here at Susan's(Links and Wiki, the Reference Library all available at The Main Page.  and at other sites. There are some excellent resources available through Amazon as well. To begin with I'd recommend tsroadmap.com. Andrea has some excellent compiled essays and tips there as well as links to other resources. Mildred Brown wrote a book some years ago called True Selves that is easily obtainable and Helen Boyd has written a couple of books about her journey with her spouse Betty. Those might be good places to start in order to simply be reminded that you are not alone and not the only one.

Sometimes I think that TSes think that about ourselves but then tend to exclude the possibility (not on purpose, I think it just doesn't dawn on us) that our husbands or wives or SOs need just as much support as do we.

As you pointed out in another post on another thread the trek is not an easy one and truth and openness are probably the absolute best roads to travel on through a transition. Knowing that may be the best thing you already know.

I've loved all three of your posts so far. You some like a very "put-together" woman and I'm truly impressed with you and can imagine that you and Danielle are a wonderful couple. I truly do hope that you can both get through this intact and with loads of love.

Nichole
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Janet_Girl

First of all welcome to our little family, Windrider.

You sound like you are a very caring, giving, and understanding woman.  Dani is lucky to have you in her life.

Nichole is very correct in that transitioning in a couple situation is a dual activity.  As Dani begins to explore herself, you sometimes will feel like you need to run to catch up.  But you both need to talk and explore this journey together.  You need to help her explore her new found self like you would for a daughter,  and she needs to help you explore this new world and life she has discovered.  I am a firm believer that if more spouses would help their TS/TG SO explore their new life, that there could be more marriage saved.  But more SOs need to be like you, caring, giving, and understanding.

My ex never believed that I was Transsexual and that it was flat wrong.  So here I am alone, but I am lucky in that my BFF Peggy is supportive and caring.  If fact she gets mad at me when I have to be a boy for work.  ;D

Post often and kept us informed for you and Dani's journey together, successes/failures, hope/dreams.  And if she hasn't join us, see if she would and you can be communicating thru us.  You need to go and meet her friends,  it would be educational for both of you.

And don't be afraid of the dark, it wont hurt you.  I won't let it hurt my friends.

Mistress Janet
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Windrider

What?! Real life doesn't have a map?! Well, poo  :laugh:

I'm feeling better about things. Right now, we're in a bit of a holding pattern until Dani contacts her chosen therapist. We're seriously hoping I can get a job soon so we can move into our own place (we're staying with relatives right now.) The delays have been good for me though, since it's given me a chance to "catch up". So I'm ready for our next steps. I'm not pretending it's smooth sailing yet, but I've gotten over some major hurdles.

Thanks again to everyone for just listening and for the welcomes  :)

Quote from: Janet Lynn on August 13, 2008, 08:18:00 PM
And don't be afraid of the dark, it wont hurt you.  I won't let it hurt my friends.
Mistress Janet

Aww, thank you! The dark is never scary when you have friends around :)

WR
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Laura91

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Windrider

Thanks for the welcome Laura :) I really like it here!

WR
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