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What does androgyne mean to you?

Started by trapthavok, August 15, 2008, 09:51:42 PM

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Constance

The only time I ever liked my body hair was in high school. When I was being teased in the locker room by all these hairless apes because I was so thin, I could pull off my shirt and proclaim all the hair was due to BALLS!


Jaimey

Quote from: Veetje on August 18, 2008, 04:40:08 PM
Oh yes, the body hair is annoying! Gawd, women have it so easy! :P

Oh, if only that were true!  Genetics can be a bitch, especially when it comes to the female body and the hair on it.  If I ever have the money, some serious permanent hair removal is in order.  And I think more female bodied people have body hair issues than not.  I know only one or two women who can go more than 2 or 3 days without shaving their legs and most females I know have a few (or more...it's like asking a woman her age ::)) pesky chin hairs and mustaches.  ;)
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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Constance

Quote from: Jaimey on August 18, 2008, 07:04:56 PM
Quote from: Veetje on August 18, 2008, 04:40:08 PM
Oh yes, the body hair is annoying! Gawd, women have it so easy! :P

Oh, if only that were true!  Genetics can be a bitch, especially when it comes to the female body and the hair on it.  If I ever have the money, some serious permanent hair removal is in order.  And I think more female bodied people have body hair issues than not.  I know only one or two women who can go more than 2 or 3 days without shaving their legs and most females I know have a few (or more...it's like asking a woman her age ::)) pesky chin hairs and mustaches.  ;)
Most of the "permanent" hair removal I've researched defines "permanent" as meaning one only needs about 3 treatments a year. I could go for laser, but after a time the hair would return, albeit lighter and finer. I'm thinking of getting an epillator and just doing it myself. It'll be cheaper.

trapthavok

Well I'm sure you guys get these threads a lot from trans guys/gals who wonder if trans is really the right word for them.... I like all the answers you guys have given, they made me think a lot. Not only was I interested in whether or not I might be androgyne but I was genuinely interested in how you define yourself too :)

It's not for me, but I still liked learning something new!
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CryoMax

Okay, now I'm wondering if I'm in the right "place" or not.

For me, it's not about being equally (un)comfortable in "either role" -- it's about defining a third role that combines elements of the other two.  I'm about balancing masculine and feminine elements, both in appearance and behavior, at the same time, not switching between them.  (This is not to say that I don't believe the other definition isn't applicable, it's just that this is how I'm approaching it personally)

I was talking to a friend who has been doing the crossdressing thing in private for a while, and we were talking about doing me up, and one of the things he said was, "You should pick out your feminine name."  It struck me there what things meant to me.  I don't "flip" between masculine and feminine.  I'm both.  I'm about expressing both genders simultaneously, rather than suppressing expression completely.  I want to have great hair and nice eyeliner and a comfy skirt and play Gears of War on my XBox.  I want to cry when I watch a good war movie.

Is that still considered androgyne?

...Paul

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Nero

Sure is, Max. Some androgynes are both male and female and others are neither.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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noeleena

hi ... hey you know what its so neat being  androgyne , yea we are both . i am .    just took me a while to see it & then get used to being like this .   ...noeleena...
Hi. from New Zealand, Im a woman of difference & intersex who is living life to the full.   we have 3 grown up kids and 11 grand kid's 6 boy's & 5 girl's,
Jos and i are still friends and  is very happy with her new life with someone.
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Kinkly

Quote from: CryoMax on August 29, 2008, 03:21:57 AM
Okay, now I'm wondering if I'm in the right "place" or not.

For me, it's not about being equally (un)comfortable in "either role" -- it's about defining a third role that combines elements of the other two.  I'm about balancing masculine and feminine elements, both in appearance and behavior, at the same time, not switching between them.  (This is not to say that I don't believe the other definition isn't applicable, it's just that this is how I'm approaching it personally)

I was talking to a friend who has been doing the crossdressing thing in private for a while, and we were talking about doing me up, and one of the things he said was, "You should pick out your feminine name."  It struck me there what things meant to me.  I don't "flip" between masculine and feminine.  I'm both.  I'm about expressing both genders simultaneously, rather than suppressing expression completely.  I want to have great hair and nice eyeliner and a comfy skirt and play Gears of War on my XBox.  I want to cry when I watch a good war movie.

Is that still considered androgyne?

...Paul

you sound like me except i don't want to cry in good movies i just do
I don't want to be a man there from Mars
I'd Like to be a woman Venus looks beautiful
I'm enjoying living on Pluto, but it is a bit lonely
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Nicky

Androgyne for me means not male or female.

I feel like my internal identity is neither male or female. I suffer from body dysphoria but it varies in intensity. I'm ok having a penis but would prefer to have a more female body. I'm not too bothered by my body hair though I am getting laser hair removal on my face. I suppose if I was to wear a bikini then my body hair would become an issue. As it is undercover I don't really need to think about it.

In terms of roles I am uncomfortable being lumped in with the boys and girls, though mostly I can't stand being mistaken for a guy. I can play many roles but I don't like those roles being attributed to my gender. I just am.

On another level it means feeling out of place with the world, being lonely, wanting what I can't have and having what I don't want. Not being able to connect with people the same way others can, detachment. I feel like I am missing the joke and the joke is on me. On the flip side it means feeling a certain amount of freedom. I'm not chained as other people are. There is no way I 'should' behave though I get pressure to behave a certain way.

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Simone Louise

I used to say there was no difference between men and women, other than the anatomical and learned behavior. The older I get, the less I am sure of. Maybe, it's just that I can't tell the difference. If I could dress as I feel, I would probably wear a shirt with flowing sleeves, a colorful tunic, and knee britches. I would wear my hair long, as it is, but caught up in a ribbon rather than with an elastic. Any hair if have (not much anywhere other than my head) is free to grow, though the beard looks best trimmed. I wear no jewelry (not even a wristwatch) and no makeup--and that is usually OK with me. And I carry a brown canvas and leather shoulder purse.

I am slow, clumsy, relatively lacking in mechanical skills, and mildly afraid of bugs and vermin. I do have an intuitive sense of how to make software function. When a sentence starts, "All men..." it rarely includes me. I like to cook, sew, knit, and care for children and animals. Which means at a party, I am likely the only male talking with the group in the kitchen. Though I am not obsessed with cleaning up immediately after a party (I'd rather do it the next day). And I also like to hike, ride a bicycle, and drive an adept car with manual shift along quiet curving country roads.

Identifying as an androgyne, means not having to feel guilty that I am not a real man. It also means I need not transition, which simplifies my relationships, somewhat. It means it's OK to look at a woman and wish I had her body. Identifying as an androgyne means that for the first time in my life I can be open with people, meaning the people on this forum. It doesn't mean I know whether I am male, female, both, or neither.

Sorry for being so self-absorbed,
S
Choose life.
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Pica Pica

we are the same person simone.

and dressed a bit like this



or

'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Jaimey

Quote from: Simone Louise on September 02, 2008, 03:42:12 PM
I used to say there was no difference between men and women, other than the anatomical and learned behavior.

My thoughts exactly...

I love the clothes in those photos Pica!!!  I have a very frilly shirt and top hat that I LOVE to wear!!!
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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Simone Louise

Quote from: Pica Pica on September 02, 2008, 04:28:07 PM
we are the same person simone.

and dressed a bit like this

We do seem to be kindred spirits. I have some of the clothes from doing colonial-era reenacting. I bought the britches and stockings and shoes, but I made the linen shirt and cap, red tunic, and blue wool farmer's smock myself. I don't have any digital photos or I would post them. Besides, you are the beautiful one.

Too bad we live so far apart. I just put the leftovers from a large pot of excellent chili in the fridge. There's some beer in there, too. And I've a new unopened bottle of Vechio Romagna brandy for after dinner. I might have shown you one of my most treasured books over such a drink, _Walks and Talks of an American Farmer in England_ written 150 years ago by Frederick Law Olmsted, who would later design Central Park in New York City. He walked through the countryside from the outskirts of Liverpool to Portsmouth. He writes that a similar journey could be made by someone "with small means, ... who is willing to 'rough it.'" I'm willing.

To England,
S
Choose life.
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Jaimey

Olmstead also did the park system in Louisville.  They are lovely!  :D
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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Lukas-H

We are human, after all. -Daft Punk, Human After All

The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all. -Mulan
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noeleena

hi...it means to me i can be just me with both male & female . i am free to be who i am .   i lived as a male for 50 years  ..... yea .... & now as a women ..... oh yea & this part is.... so so.... neat .....its the real me now.    oh there are thing,s i would like to be changed will i let that stop me ,,,no way.     i have had so far 11 years living as a women . so i know both sides yet it,s still just me i am just so happy being a women well this is just me ......    noeleena...
Hi. from New Zealand, Im a woman of difference & intersex who is living life to the full.   we have 3 grown up kids and 11 grand kid's 6 boy's & 5 girl's,
Jos and i are still friends and  is very happy with her new life with someone.
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Karen_A

Quote from: Nicky on September 01, 2008, 03:57:35 PM
Androgyne for me means not male or female.

I feel like my internal identity is neither male or female. I suffer from body dysphoria but it varies in intensity. I'm ok having a penis but would prefer to have a more female body........

On another level it means feeling out of place with the world, being lonely, wanting what I can't have and having what I don't want. Not being able to connect with people the same way others can, detachment.........


I can identify fully with you in this, Nicky.
I feel neither male nor female and this has made me feel 'alien' for countless years. I look at males and females and keep thinking to myself, "god, I have nothing in common with these people." It really screws me up at times.
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