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Autism and transsexuality

Started by Owllady, September 09, 2008, 04:19:56 PM

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Owllady

Can MTF-transsexual woman be a little bit autistic. When I was younger it was one reason that I did not get treament. Is it impossible to be an autistic MTF?
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Secretgirl

I have been also prosecuted of being some kind of normal intelligence autism syndrom. Asperger's syndrome. However I do not believe in myself.  >:(
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Mister

i'm an FTM with asperger's.  of course it's possible.
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Secretgirl

There is a theory that autistic brain are ''very masculine''.
So for FTM:s is good to be autistic. :)
For us MTF:s it is not. Many think that it overrules MTF-transsexuality.  :(
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Mister

Quote from: Secretgirl on September 13, 2008, 12:18:41 PM
There is a theory that autistic brain are ''very masculine''.
So for FTM:s is good to be autistic. :)
For us MTF:s it is not. Many think that it overrules MTF-transsexuality.  :(

The autistic spectrum is extreme left brain, the stereotypical 'male' brain, yes.   

But being on the spectrum isn't GOOD for anyone. 
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FallenLeaves

I have been diagnosed with asperger's before actually, so I would have to say, yes, it is very possible. And I would say my brain is pretty far from "very masculine" as I am probably an MtF.

And I don't know if this is very relevant, but for me this dancer spins clockwise and it is very difficult for me to get her to spin counterclockwise: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22535838-5012895,00.html
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umop ap!sdn

Fact is GGs are diagnosed with it. It annoys me when people think that we MTFs have to be some kind of idealized picture of femininity when GGs are all over the board.
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Kaitlyn

I'm MTF and I'm pretty sure I've got Asperger's.

Posted on: September 16, 2008, 03:48:47 PM
Also, I saw the dancer as counterclockwise originally, but after a minute of concentration, it flipped to clockwise.  Five minutes later, and I could switch at will.  Whenever I revisit the page, it's how I last remember it.
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled."
— Plutarch
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Maebh

Quote from: Nephie on September 16, 2008, 02:54:21 PM
I'm MTF and I'm pretty sure I've got Asperger's.

Posted on: September 16, 2008, 03:48:47 PM
Also, I saw the dancer as counterclockwise originally, but after a minute of concentration, it flipped to clockwise.  Five minutes later, and I could switch at will.  Whenever I revisit the page, it's how I last remember it.

So did I. I tried to reverse it but could not at first,  eventually by looking away and back I could, then just by blinking I can now do it at will.
What does it mean?  :D

LLL&R

Maebh
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Hypatia

Quote from: FallenLeaves on September 16, 2008, 02:23:16 PMAnd I don't know if this is very relevant, but for me this dancer spins clockwise and it is very difficult for me to get her to spin counterclockwise: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22535838-5012895,00.html
OMG that is the weirdest thing.
At first I saw her going clockwise, and it was impossible to see how she could go counterclockwise.
Then I looked away and read the text... and when I looked back, I noticed she was going counterclockwise.
Then as I continued to look right at her, I saw her reverse direction and spin clockwise again.
Freaked me but good!

Edit-- Every time I return to that page, I initially see the spin as clockwise. Then if I keep staring right at it, I will see the direction reverse again and again, back and forth, about once a minute. What's up with that?
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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Kaitlyn

OK, I've gotten my perception of that dancer thing to the point where I can just have her swing her leg back and forth, without completing a revolution at all.  It was hard, since I needed teach myself to ignore the way the legs change left/right designations when it happens.  It's like trying to make yourself believe in an Escher drawing.

EDIT:

Wow... the more I do it, the more I feel this kind of mental "noise" when I switch directions.  I's almost like a "tap-tap-tap" drumbeat just above and behind my eyes when it happens.
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled."
— Plutarch
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Alexandra

Quote from: nerdychick on September 16, 2008, 02:42:25 PM
Fact is GGs are diagnosed with it. It annoys me when people think that we MTFs have to be some kind of idealized picture of femininity when GGs are all over the board.

I totally agree.  I rather tire of this race to some sort of "holy grail" of femininity so many MtFs work themselves up over trying to achieve.
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Kaitlyn

Quote from: Alexandra on September 16, 2008, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: nerdychick on September 16, 2008, 02:42:25 PM
Fact is GGs are diagnosed with it. It annoys me when people think that we MTFs have to be some kind of idealized picture of femininity when GGs are all over the board.

I totally agree.  I rather tire of this race to some sort of "holy grail" of femininity so many MtFs work themselves up over trying to achieve.

*Gasp!*

Are you saying that I am not perfectly feminine in every way?

*Cries*
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled."
— Plutarch
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Secretgirl

I saw it clockwise when I tried.

I got no feminity points from professional psychological testing.

I got braingender test from internet and got masculine female/ normal male brains.

My personality straights test from internet was 4-5 times more feminine than masculine.

I got female from both communication and behaviour stairt tests from internet.

All those results are quit confusing
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Kaitlyn

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, but being female isn't a disease. (Neither is male, I suppose...).  Statistical gender tests are just collections of personality stereotypes, not medical diagnostics.
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled."
— Plutarch
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cindybc

Well I'll be dawgone, I could see the girl going counterclockwise more often the clockwise and Wing Walker told me it was all an illusion, the girl actually has three legs. "Hee, hee, hee!"

Cindy
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FallenLeaves

So, does anyone know if the girl actually has any relevance, or just a fun thing? I've had it on my favorites forever now because I always wondered.
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cindybc

Hi FallenLeaves, it's an eye to mind illusion. I found that if I really concentrated of the moving form it was almost as though I was controlling it to move in what ever direction I willed it to, but actually it is constantly rotating in one direction only, although I think it would be quite debatable to try and convince folks which direction the constant spinning is in. It's Just a fun thing to do. I'm a party popper with games like this so I seldom get involved in them.

Cindy
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Kaitlyn

I don't know if it's related at all, but I think that the ease with which you can make it flip might have some bearing on the state of your corpus callosum, the largest mass of white matter in the brain. Women are said to have more white matter than men.

Regarding autism, isn't it supposed to be a kind of extreme left-brainedness?
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled."
— Plutarch
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cindybc

Well now I forgot what this topic was about to start with but I must agree that having any brain disorder, like autism, could have an influence of how one perceives things, like when drinking to much or smoking pot.  ;D

The white mass in ones brain I am not to familiar with, but I do know that a woman uses the left side of the brain more then the right side. Oh me goodness, I could find loads of information on how the female brain works as compared to the male brain. They are entirely two different spheres of mental processes used for conceiving the world around us. I believe that for one the right side is more for the process of the abstract, mechanical and mathematical dimensions. While the left is used more for texture hues and colors as well as the ability of intuition.

This does not mean that a male of female can't equally and adeptly access the right and left side of the brain reciprocally. It is just more common that we mostly only mostly use one side or the other side more consistently, depending on gender.  It does not mean that a male will not see or conceive that very same information as a woman does, but we do see and interpret it differently.

I beleive using the color scale to explain might simplify it some. You would find that a female will see with a much more diverse and complex reality as well as with an abundant with colors in perceptions. This is believed to be that for the reason that a male will compartmentalises all their thought feelings and experiences, while women are all in one big box without separators, well something like that, if anyone is curious enough I could go fetch a couple of web sites on the subject.

The brain is a complex organism and only in the past thirty years have they made any real inroads on the study of the human brain.

Cindy
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