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Started by jonjon, September 16, 2008, 12:46:38 PM

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jonjon

That smells? O.o

No seriously... >_>

Is it me that feels like games have gone downhill? I mean... when i was a kid there were some awesome games out on consoles!!! Ones where you could really get into them and they'd have awesome story line and awesome game play! And you'd spend hours on them and get addicted!

But nowadays... there's just ->-bleeped-<- all exciting! O.O I mean... it seems it's all about graphics these days and developers just seem to have lost it. It's graphics over gameplay and gaming's just loosing it's spark for me.
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Sephirah

I totally agree with you, Wishy. Now it's all about style over substance. I actually went out and spent £40 on the SNES game 'Secret Of Mana' a year or so ago just to get back to what makes games special.

Unfortunately, with development costs what they are, developers either can't afford to, or don't want to take the risk of making something original like Okami...because there's a good chance that the huge hype machines, like EA, that churn out endless games appealing to the lowest common denominator, will totally drown out any creativity or originality put into the marketplace.

If a game looks good, it seems to sell. Whether it's actually playable seems to come fourth or fifth on the list.

Although I am kinda biased, I guess, because a lot of the games coming out nowadays are either FPS titles (which I detest with a passion), or those squad-based things (which I equally can't stand).
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Flan Princess

I hear ya
It's as if all the developers who have a passion for making games with real stories, like Sierra [RIP] before they went tits-up as an independent developer, are gone or dying.

The last PC game I made it to the end (wording intentional) Crysis, even with its gee whizz graphics, had game play with all the allure of being dragged by a fish-hook. (and at times, it sure felt like it) And even then, the graphics didn't have that wow factor that Far Cry with HDR enabled had on me.

I don't know anymore, when I hear about upcoming games like Fallout 3 and The Witcher: Enhanced Edition, the hardcore gamer in me starts jumping for joy. But dreams have the nasty habit of going bad, and when I heard that both games will receive some form of censorship or neutering of game play for console gamers, (especially The Witcher for the North American market) it was as good as ice-water on my gaming spirit.

I could go on and on and I know that there are some real gems out there, but just finding them hidden in the piles of dirt these days is a task in on itself.
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debbie j

it ant you wishy hon  by any means. and you rright it used to be that videogames was rather enjoyable .but now a days well to me they

ant like they used to be and what they are putting out now a days . that they call vedio games  for the most part is crap. and the

for the most part they just trun them out as fast as they can and dont care any more if it is fun or even have ways playable. and its

got to the point now a days if you want a really good playable game . you really got to hunt and hint hard for it   :eusa_wall:/ but i will

say i used to play fps . then i got hook on a mmo called guild wars .which is fun at lest till you get to the end of the game. then back to

the drawing boards again . and so now i just got to the point iam find i get more enjoyment out of playing tiger woods golf . and grand

theft auto any more . sigh i do miss the good old days of gameing the way it used to be . back when mario frist came out sigh :eusa_think:
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jonjon

I have played guild wars. I only played it cos it was free. Was good for a while but it just got boring after so long. I will admit i have been trapped into WoW. Although, i'm not addicted yet. Just having a break from it for a few days.

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Lutin

Definitely seems to be more about graphics than playability and plot. I *hate* those games where they give you a big plot dump, and then all you get to do is fight people. Like Soulcalibur, where it says "You have done this and this, and then after making your way through the perilous this you FIGHT ASTAROTH" *dun dun duuuuuun* and you get to play.

Don't know... Though I'm a *big* fan of Mario, Zelda, and Banjo-Kazooie for whatever consoles they use (my brother has many, I just go along with it ???), and Harry Potter (particularly III) for PC. Also used to love Lemmings, The Incredible Machine and Dr Brain (I think the latter two were by Sierra...).

And Super Smash Bros.
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NicholeW.

No, it's not just you.

But, I suspect it's not the games are worse either.

I imagine that it's a matter of you no longer bveing a child and the games are not as difficult as they once were because you have practiced beating the games for a long time. You've grown bored not because the games are worse, but because your mind is no longer s engaged in the effort as it once was.

I don't game, but i watch occasionally my 17-year old game. I find the graphics extraordinary and the sound is simply unrecognizable now as anything but a human voice talking in my living room. Makes me wonder who is visiting my son when he's here.

Boredom is something that grows inside us as we become more and more acquainted with things. The fascination of the new we had as children disappears as we adjust ourslves to the same patterns and plays over and over gain.

It's our vision, our internal responses that need adjusting to find what we once called "joy." It's not a matter of the developers making the software more and more exciting and difficult. Possibly they have. It's simply that your power to perform is so much greater now than it was 3, 5, 11 years ago and to be honest you've become used to doing the same thing over and over. There's no joy in you when you do it.

That's true of anything we repeat again and again.

We expect a shot of joy and excitement to come from outside of us and re-charge us.

Our joy and our interest are always things that we find within ourselves, not without ourselves.

Change your view of what the game is, of how you look at it and you'll find the joy of playing it once more. In that repsect is really is, just you. But you have lots and lots of company from the rest of us. We get inured to sameness and don't find the fascination present in each of our lives.

Nichole
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Sephirah

A lot of what you say is true, Nikki. And some of it is down to being jaded about the same old same old.

But, there is some truth in the difference between games made now and those made years ago, it's not all just down to perception.

Ten years ago there were multitudes of companies turning out games, fifteen years ago there were even more, and the reason for this was partly because the games didn't cost so much to develop (obviously with the lower technical specifications of the hardware), nor did they cost so much to buy, so you could go out and buy several games for the equivalent cash it costs to buy just one now... but more than that I think a large part was that there were no huge companies dominating the marketplace. It was far more open in terms of what people played. There was far more creativity and originality employed to overcome the physical limitation of the hardware. To a degree, the story and feel of a game had to be better to make up for the relative limitations of the hardware it was created for.

Now, though, with games retailing at upwards of £50/$100 in the UK, and costing millions and millions to make, developers have to be careful about what they put out there. It's not just a case anymore of putting out fifty games and being able to recoup the losses on forty-five if just five were big sellers... now the developers put all their eggs in one basket, and because of this they have to try and make the game appeal to as many people as possible, in order to claw back all the money they sunk into developing it. This usually means that a game will be a "jack of all trades, master of none" type affair, with something in there for everyone... but nothing as strong as if the whole game had been made a certain way.

If the game is too specialised (too niche) then it doesn't sell, no matter how good it is. It tends to be completely obscured by the commercial tie-ins to movies (which are some of the most shoddily put together games you can possibly imagine and the only reason they sell is because of the rare one minute footage of the film it's tied to, or because parents buy it for kids who are nuts about the film), or by the year on year updates that come out to well established brands (EA is a real pain for this) with only miniscule changes to the previous incarnaton, but because it says '09 on the box instead of '08, it supposedly has to be better.

Also, factor in that more and more of these small, innovative software houses are being bought up by the huge companies, and even more are being put out of business by the spiralling costs required to just get a game out there (it can be a case of if your game doesn't do well, you go under). Also, the retailers hardly ever get more than a few copies of any game that isn't 'mainstream' so finding a truly original title is next to impossible, and the orchestra of hype that is generated by the enormous software publishers for their generic products tends to drown out the lone voice shouting about how good a niche title is...

All of this is starting to lead to a more general push towards 'casual' gamers. People who want to pick a game up and be impressed with the photorealism, the amount of stuff you can blow up, and nothing that's so taxing that they'll be unable to finish it. People don't want a challenge anymore,  they want a distraction, and I think the games companies are determined to pander to the people who don't have the hours to devote to a game (maybe because they use the warped logic that less hours available = earning more money to buy the games in the first place). And as a result of this, produce more and more generic rubbish that takes no skill and no effort, but looks pretty and will keep you distracted and entertained for a few hours.

Just look at the Wii and all the non-games that are coming out for it.
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Osiris

I hear ya man. It use to take forever to beat a game, now you can beat one in a weekend. Which is why I think returns are so big now. It's too easy to beat something and there aren't as many hidden levels and unlockables.

This is why I don't play anymore really.
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tekla

Have you considered that you might be growing up and now have better things to do than play games?  ---- OK, perish the thought.

But as Paul said:
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
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Sephirah

I would agree with you except for one thing...

The average age of gamers in the UK is 28. And in the US it's put at between 29-33 (depending on which survey you look at). ;)

Or, as Sephiroth said:

"In my veins courses the blood of the Ancients... I am one of the rightful heirs to this planet!"
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3
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NicholeW.

In spite of average ages, etc. I have to admit that tekla makes a truly good point. Perhaps the interest in Halo or God of War or some such item, (those from memory of a year or two ago, I have no idea what he's playing anymore,) one might actually be able to pay some attention to small and unimpostant items like presidential elections, public/private bailouts and those nominally unimportant items like personal debt and a decent workplace.

Just saying. :)

Nikki 
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alexkidd

Quote from: tekla on September 17, 2008, 03:54:01 PM
Have you considered that you might be growing up and now have better things to do than play games?  ---- OK, perish the thought.

But as Paul said:
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

LOL, you can never be too old for video games  :D

Seriously

Retro/Acarde games were awesome and addictive and til this day, I like nothing better then cracking out my Sega Master System and running through some Alex Kidd or Sonic. Even on my Wii, I play more of the virtual console games then actual Wii games. There was just something simplistic but addictive about older games.

I was addicted (in a bad way) to WoW for about four years, I only play it once a week nows. But alot of other games that I get lose there appeal after a while. I think its too much about graphics, merchandise, hollywood and movie star type things then actual game play. I can't think of a new game that I have played regiously in the last year. There is so much hype about games nowdays that when they finally do get released, its such a big let down. (Halo 3 anyone?)

Hopefully it is just a slump the games industry is in.

In the mean time you can always play your favourite oldies, Bomb Jack here I come  ;D
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Tamara

I so agree that they don't make them like they used to. Games today are all graphics and just repeats of what you've done before a million times. They're loads more expensive and alot of them can be completed in a weekend (£50 for a couple of days entertainment, ripoff!) I've got loads of games on my older consoles that I never completed because they were just so difficult andreally were challenging and I got greater satisfaction from completing older games now when a complete a game I breathe a sigh of relief. A few years ago I used to buy loads of games but I haven't bought a single one this year.

Lately I've just been playing the saga Megadrive Collection on my PSP and I am currently playing Phantasy Star II.

I also recently got the NES out and played games like Super Mario Bros, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Snakes Revenge and Duck Hunt.

The best newish game I've played recently was Summoner 2 on playstation2. But that's about 5 years old now.

But I'm notsurprised games have gone down hill, films have done the same. Films nowadays are all about special affects and computer generated bits rather than actual story, and so many of them now are so long, ten years ago it was quite rare to see a 3 hour film but now there's loads of them. All the stories are the same as a million other films or they are just remakes of old classics.

And there dosen't seem to be any proper cartoon films any more they're all 3D computer generated, what's happened to 2D drawings?
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Jay

I love playing games on my ps2 or xbox360 but lately I cant find a decent one at all.. I have brought games sure but none that I have gotten actually addicted too! Like I used to! I am purcashing Doom 3 which I cant wait to play because I got addicted to the original game!


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tekla

I'm not blameless, I play pool at least once a week and have since my dad made a box for me to stand on and put down a chalk-line grid on the table so I could learn the game.  Pong came out when I was in college and I thought it was stupid.  That, and I couldn't take money from drunk frat boys in a Pong game.
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Sherue

I think now a days every one's trying to copy each other to get the new hit. Every one's trying to be the next halo and every one's trying to have their own world of warcraft and so on. every one's trying to be the popular kid on campus but losing any originality in the process. I also think it's because the lack of creativity of the people raised by TV and the people who just want an easy job that are ruining the market by not putting a lot of effort into the games they create.And It doesn't always have to be about grapics for instance back in the ps2 age they were cranking out games with good crafics but nothing interesting about them.When out of the blue a video game name alien hominid had old sega/super nintendo grapics but focused on making a fun game and it succeeded. I know it seemed like a metal slug at first glance but with it's cartoon humor and crazy antics I think it set it a little apart. I still like it when you ride the yati and have it eat the russian soldiers.^_^

And Tamara I totally agree with you on 2-d cartoons now a days. After pixar and Nickelodeon crushed my dreams to be a cartoonist I'm trying for comics now. I think the companies are trying to use the cheapist way of making animation as possible because it takes a lot of money to hire all the artists to draw something as good as the old disney movies. Everything in America seems to either be 3-d or made in flash because if it doesn't look like pixar or the fairly odd parents it takes too much to make.Avatar on Nickelodeon almost got canceled a bunch of times because with out regular updates the ratings would start to fall on the reruns but luckily they had a big enough fan base that when ever Nickelodeon took it off the fans demanded it be brought back.And also companies seem to have a mindset that anything drawn good is imediatly anime and if they don't like anime they just say no and want it done like the 3 stlyes we use now.But anime isn't completely original it was based off of the old disney films and then evolved into what it is today. Now Japan accuses Americans for stealing there style of art but yet there micky mouse character astro boy Reminds me an awful lot like our Pinocchio.



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