LGBT and liberalism

[jenny_]

I get the sense that you discriminate against hetero normative male-dominated white-dominated.

Really you do?  Even though its my views against discrimination, that you have been arguing with.

For the record, i don't discriminate anybody, and would appreciate if you took that remark back.

[lisagurl]

The fact is we all use prudence in dealing with the world. To demand special privilege without earning it over time is discriminating against those generations that have formed the society that the majority wants to live in. When prudence is not used the person will over time little by little be rejected as a non player in the game of life and suffer social value. No laws or organizations are going to change people's private perceptions it will only put them on the defense and they will skirt around the details and make life difficult for those who make their private beliefs restrained.  The best way to change things is to connect on all levels and leave sex, religion and politics to a time when you are secure in all other ways and slowly introduce a alternative view. It may never be a secure time for some people as some will never change just as some beliefs are so ingrained that people will die for them.

Back to the LGBT and liberalism. The LGBT society does not recognize the majority's liberty to not embrace alternate life styles.

[jenny_]

Back to the LGBT and liberalism. The LGBT society does not recognize the majority's liberty to not embrace alternate life styles.

Calling transgender and homosexuality a lifestyle?

LGBT society wants a more tolerant world to live.  Clearly people who don't want a more Liberal society are gonna have problems with that.

[lisagurl]

I am saying introducing sex into public life is different than the the public life is conducted now.  Look at the fictitious "Will and Grace". Will lives his public life without reference to sex and does fine as a Lawyer. His friend on the other hand puts his sexual preferences into everything he does and get penalized for it. You keep missing the meaning of liberal and confusing it with the liberal political party.

LGBT society wants a more tolerant world to live.

The LGBT is not tolerant of the way things are now. It has nothing to do with positive and negative words as Politics and Marketing have made the words look like moral values of right and wrong. What is going on here is the LGBT wants more privileges than the non LGBT.

[jenny_]

You keep missing the meaning of liberal.

And i can say the same of you

[tekla]

Liberal means something very different in the States than in England, and in either case is far removed from its original meaning.

[Kaitlyn]

Back to the LGBT and liberalism. The LGBT society does not recognize the majority's liberty to not embrace alternate life styles.

Um... I'm not sure that's a good way to put it.  There are like a billion people here who disagree with the "lifestyle" classification, including me.

You can get along fine in this world as long as you do not push your beliefs on other people.  It has nothing to do with male, white or anything other personal attribute, can you not keep your personal life out of the public arena?

There are two problems with that ethic - what constitutes "[pushing] your beliefs on others" is highly subjective, and the distinction between public and private is an arbitrary one.

[lisagurl]

what constitutes "[pushing] your beliefs on others"

Making laws.  Public is the area in which social laws are enforced. Example going naked. Private is the area that one can do it without being charged example home or a private club.  Subjective is the liberty of a small business to hire and fire who they please.

There are like a billion people here who disagree with the "lifestyle" classification, including me.

And about 5 billion who want to keep it out of the public domain. I personally do not care anything about people's sexual interest all I care is that that do not impose them on me. In the world of business it is considered to be corrupt to introduce any form of sex into the work place.

Lesbian Gay and Bi are all forms of sexual behavior. Transsexual is not, it is a physical condition similar to being handicapped. It should not be aligned with with sexual identity it is a gender identity issue.

[tekla]

Do you know how 'black' works in the USA?  Any black, even as small as 1/16, meant you were black.  Look at Ossma, he is only half black, but he is black.  Same with sex.  Any sex, any sexual component, then its sexual.

[lisagurl]

Any black, even as small as 1/16, meant you were black.

Not in New Orleans and not in most other places. There are degrees of everything. Thomas Jefferson had some mixed children. He did not let color stop him.

Any sex, any sexual component, then its sexual.

That is why we need to keep sex separate from gender.

[tekla]

But it sure stopped the offspring of Sara Hemmings.  Back when I was young I asked a black person I met how they got a last name like Fitzgerald, "How the hell do you think?" was the response.

And I think that splicing sex from gender for the average person is like taking peanut butter away from jelly.  Ain't gonna happen, they are too closely linked.

[lisagurl]

Ain't gonna happen, they are too closely linked.

It is also not going to happen when the worlds oldest taboo is linked to modern science.

[tekla]

Its not just the worlds oldest taboo, it the worlds oldest enjoyable activity, even predating drugs - which go back a long, long way.  But about the only point of reference I would have with Og the cave man is "Gee, Ogette is sure hot" - bet on that.