Transsexual Quebec inmate serving time in men's prison after complaints from wom

[tekla]

Perhaps every able bodied person should perform some kind of service.

Isn't that kinda opposed to the notion of a free society that there ought be mandatory work - that you owe some duty to the state? 

[lisagurl]

Some call it taxes, voteing, jury duty, etc.

[tekla]

Huge difference between taxes and forced military conscription.  Huge.

[lisagurl]

finds a job at some public institution,

It against many beliefs to do military service and that is fine. But it costs to provide government services and everyone's time has the same value to them. So service is more fair than money. There are many public jobs including poets everyone could be fitted into some useful position.

[Ellieka]

Personally, GD, I think your using a fabricated GID as a way of getting out of doing somthing that your law requires. If it truly is your mission to be equal then you should be fighting for the equal rights of all people in your country regardless of their gender. If one gender is not required but the other is, then that is not equal. That, I think that should be your true mission, not bending the rules because of cowardice. 

[goingdown]

Gender's are not equal here mainly because of conscription. In my equality thinking does not include that the only real responsibilities given by law are only for the other sex. And because I am woman inside and military has a very little women here in vluntary service the hole issue is very emotional for me.
In case I would live in the USA I would rather go prison than register for draft.

[tekla]

Cami?  Do you remember what happened the last time we had a draft? 

[Ellieka]

We no longer have a draft. its irrelevant. If enough people don't like the way a government runs they take action to change it. 

[goingdown]

Draft would not leave from here It has support from people. And you should understand that forced military service is extremely unjust against those who are different than normal masculine male. They get marked rest of their life because they choose alternative service. In Finland tolenrance towards alternative service is strongly assosiated to tolerance for gendervarianve GV.

[tekla]

Well the draft was abandoned here because it was about to rip the nation apart, with riots on many campuses and disruptions at induction centers, and widespread civil disturbances like pouring blood on draft files.  During the Civil War, draft riots in New York ran for days and the military had to shell the Five Corners area to stop it.  Outside of WWII, a unique situation, its always been very unpopular.

[tekla]

There is widespread support against Transgender rights, and gay rights in the United States, so you accept that?  After all, it enjoys widespread support.  Gay marriage couldn't even win, in California in a very liberal election, what are its chances in say Alabama?  But hey, widespread support, what more do you need to make it right?

[lisagurl]

I hope that I will get SRS in 2009 then I will not be charged. In that situation the case will be dismissed.

It sounds that the number one reason to have sexual reassignment surgery is to avoid service to your country. There are many here that would gladly give a year service to their country to just become women and have their body match their mind. Just being a gay femme male does not mean you need SRS.

[lisagurl]

It usually leads that family abonded these men and they are second class citizen rest of their life. Many women do not marry them.

Duh! And if you have SRS that will not also happen?

[lisagurl]

It is about draft avoidance and I have a year to show that I did not lie about GID to get exeption.

Lets get this straight. You did not need doctors letters to the military doctor to get an exemption from the draft, all you had to do is file a form? Then you used the free government health care system to finagle two shrinks to give you letters to get SRS surgery which the government provides fro free? All that to avoid working for civil service for a year? The moon is made of green cheese.

[lisagurl]

Perhaps you need to take your lawyer's advice and find an asylum.

I can show it by giving a surgical declaration statement from other than Thai surgeon to court at least 12/31/09.

What is wrong with Thai surgeons?

[tekla]

Surgery, jail, military service or some make work deal, at least you have choices.

[goingdown]

You are wrong. I have only two options now: surgery or jail.

[lisagurl]

I had a statement that I was mentally too unstable to serve

That is not a lie. So many governments including yours update each year and want to know if you still have that condition. As soon as you are well the exemption goes away. You can just go to your shrink and get another letter saying that you are still mentally too unstable to serve. I sure would not want to see a gun in your hands.

[tekla]

I don't want a gun in anyone hands except my own, and I'm iffy on that sometimes.

[lisagurl]

I had a statement that I was mentally too unstable to serve. However husband of my mother's friend made an inquiry about me lately. We made non-official deal with prosecutor that the case could be dismissed in case I provide surgical declaration letter before 12/31/2009. I can even got passport that I can travel to surgery.

Sitation: What is wrong with Thai surgeons?

I do not know those were the terms.

Your grandmother is going to die if you have surgery and your mother's friend makes a deal but you can not use Thai surgeons.

I think you are getting the wool pulled over your eyes by your family. The best thing is to move away from them and find out the truth with you own abilities not your family's.