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Is my family abusive or not?

Started by Terra, December 29, 2008, 02:54:35 AM

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Terra

I know i've complained about my family before, but something came up and it can't be ignored. If you missed my post before Christmas I couldn't go to my family's house because I had to work before and after Christmas. The hours would have prevented me from going. So thus I missed Christmas.

Saturday they came to see me instead, most of them at least. My little brother didn't come and didn't send a gift. I have mixed feelings about that but I still remember that fight we had and still don't feel confterble around him. Anyways we exchange gifts and go to a local restaurant, one of the nice-as-it-gets variety for this small town.

Now if it is just us, I can understand the use of male pronouns and my old name. I hate it with a passion and correct them, but I understand it. However I have stated several times that out in public they have to use female pronouns and my new LEGAL name. Let me tell you, going months at a time being called one name and then by an old name will throw you for a loop. Especially since my family was doing it so much.

Unlike my birthday, I corrected them under my breath each time they did it. Not loudly, but loud enough they could hear. They ignored me, and because of the mutterings and my pfamily's word choice people gave us several discreet looks. I was even afraid of going to the bathroom afraid of what my mother or sister would say or do if they noticed me using the woman's room.

Afterwords my family took me shopping for some things I needed and my family paid for it. This was great since I don't have alot of money to spare, especially with the repair bill for my scooter coming up. I even picked up an obviously female nightshirt and my mother doesn't bat an eye or protest, yet she can't use my name or even try.

So here is my conundrum, my family buys me things and does help me out in financial jams when they can. However they refuse to acknowledge the fact i'm living as a girl. Any fears that others don't see me as female have been alleviated by me having lived as a woman for a year now, so it isn't like the concept should be new to them. Some friends of mine keep insisting that i'm in the same kind of situation as battered women are. They still love their spouse and that spouse does things to strategically keep an emotional hold on their victim.

My question is are my friends right, or am I not giving my parents enough credit? What should I do?

"If you quit before you try, you don't deserve to dream." -grandmother
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Cindy

Very interesting view,
Do you have a feeling of a coordinated response? Did thet leave junior so he wouldn't be affected (?). From the info you have given they are going to cure you (!). Get some holy water and a cross ( I don't belive but the vampires do). I think possibly, and I have done this, is write down your life and your feelings. Send each member of the family a copy. That way you may get over the coordinated rescue attack.
I hope you picked out a very sexy nightie ( but probably a bad move) IT'S A PERVERT!

Love honey
Hope it works out
Cindy James
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Terra

Quote from: CindyJames on December 29, 2008, 03:21:13 AM
Very interesting view,
Do you have a feeling of a coordinated response? Did thet leave junior so he wouldn't be affected (?). From the info you have given they are going to cure you (!). Get some holy water and a cross ( I don't belive but the vampires do). I think possibly, and I have done this, is write down your life and your feelings. Send each member of the family a copy. That way you may get over the coordinated rescue attack.
I hope you picked out a very sexy nightie ( but probably a bad move) IT'S A PERVERT!

Love honey
Hope it works out
Cindy James

I don't think they are going to try and 'rescue' me. They just at first kept telling me that I could never live as a girl. Of course that comment has gotten very quiet lately. Now it is just I shouldn't like science when I grew up hearing that I should be in science as it was one of my better subjects. I should be going back into medicine, but medicine is science! :-\

As for the nightie, it was simply a nightshirt. A very pink nightshirt, but it was the more functional ones Wal-mart had. I'm not to big on frills.

The 'write down your feeling' approach sounds different, what exactly were you meaning Cindy?
"If you quit before you try, you don't deserve to dream." -grandmother
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deviousxen

Quote from: Terra on December 29, 2008, 02:54:35 AM
I know i've complained about my family before, but something came up and it can't be ignored. If you missed my post before Christmas I couldn't go to my family's house because I had to work before and after Christmas. The hours would have prevented me from going. So thus I missed Christmas.

Saturday they came to see me instead, most of them at least. My little brother didn't come and didn't send a gift. I have mixed feelings about that but I still remember that fight we had and still don't feel confterble around him. Anyways we exchange gifts and go to a local restaurant, one of the nice-as-it-gets variety for this small town.

Now if it is just us, I can understand the use of male pronouns and my old name. I hate it with a passion and correct them, but I understand it. However I have stated several times that out in public they have to use female pronouns and my new LEGAL name. Let me tell you, going months at a time being called one name and then by an old name will throw you for a loop. Especially since my family was doing it so much.

Unlike my birthday, I corrected them under my breath each time they did it. Not loudly, but loud enough they could hear. They ignored me, and because of the mutterings and my pfamily's word choice people gave us several discreet looks. I was even afraid of going to the bathroom afraid of what my mother or sister would say or do if they noticed me using the woman's room.

Afterwords my family took me shopping for some things I needed and my family paid for it. This was great since I don't have alot of money to spare, especially with the repair bill for my scooter coming up. I even picked up an obviously female nightshirt and my mother doesn't bat an eye or protest, yet she can't use my name or even try.

So here is my conundrum, my family buys me things and does help me out in financial jams when they can. However they refuse to acknowledge the fact i'm living as a girl. Any fears that others don't see me as female have been alleviated by me having lived as a woman for a year now, so it isn't like the concept should be new to them. Some friends of mine keep insisting that i'm in the same kind of situation as battered women are. They still love their spouse and that spouse does things to strategically keep an emotional hold on their victim.

My question is are my friends right, or am I not giving my parents enough credit? What should I do?

This is almost the exact same situation I'm in. My mom treats me like crap, and then does something wonderful, and then treats me like crap again... But the "crap" is becoming almost unforgivable, and she definitely doesn't respect my name change...
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justme303

It would be understandable if they were simply forgetting your new name, they have after all, been calling you by the first one for many years, but to completely ignore your correcting them and carry right on calling you by the old name just after you have reminded them, not having even made the effort to remember your new name is just dissrespectfull. Epecially if you have been using it openly for a year. After all, they have had ample time to get used to the idea.

Tell them they have to love you for who you are, not who they think you should be
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mickie88

if they loved you enough they would put forth the effort to use your name and proper pronouns. but i've also come to realize that when it comes to family, once their minds are set a certain way it takes something more drastic than a sex change to change it. (what this is yet, i will properly never know).
i've also realized with the help of a gay friend, that they will always do the opposite of what you ask no matter what you do. they will always call you he and use your old name, and the worst part is they do it in public, and they will do it repeatedly and usually very loudly. a lot of the time i ignore it if i can, but you can't really ignore kids. or if i can i avoid going out with family (that i don't have to go out with) as much as possible.

a lot of family members still insist on using my legal name i abhor.  they send me mail and gifts are addressed to his name. when i have repeatedly asked to be called Mickie. my wife thinks its ok. she doesn't understand that i was named after my grandfathers, "so i could grow up to be just like him," my female parent had a father, he died almost 10 years ago. i'm not her father and never will be, nor do i strive to be a 6 foot 4 bald man that looked like santa at times. my grandfather was a good man don't get me wrong, but i understand its the significance and emotional stress connected with the name and body that people just don't get. they wanted a son-they got a daughter in the end whether they want to realize it or not.
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Terra

*sigh* So yeah, I guess my friends are right. Thanks everyone for reading and responding.

I just wish I knew what to do. I think they know that family is important to me, that is why they treat me like they do. They know that I would have a hard time walking away from them. But I probably need to, its insulting and degrading that they refuse to acknowledge me for me.

I think the best course of action is limit contact and get the best grades I can this spring. It sounds weird but my parents keep harping on grades, grades mean alot to them. Me? School gets me where I need to be, not the end all be all. It opens doors, but isn't necessarily a door itself.

Anyways, anyone have an idea of how to diplomatically brooch cutting contact with my family?
"If you quit before you try, you don't deserve to dream." -grandmother
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Ms.Behavin

Perhaps the best you can do is live as you wish to live.  Give it time for the change to really sink in with the family.  I think there is some control issues there  too, but best just follow your heart.  On the grades, we'll that's pretty normal for parents to harp on too.

Good luck

Beni
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tekla

OK, I have to say something.  Most of the people on this board are the nicest people I've ever done boards with (and I've been doing boards since the 'Well, back when we did them in dos) they are nice, polite, sensitive - almost to a fault - and very loving.  They try to offer support in any way they can. 

I've often wished those traits were mine, but, alas, they are not.


Part of what I know, though, is that many people have read this, and I'm going to try to say what a bunch of them felt, because it's what I viewed as not exactly right.

I've known people - and my life has been the much sadder for it, and, also, the stronger and better for helping the ones I could - who have been abused.

(I do not think I was ever abused, so I can only go on those I know) 

They were beaten, both physically, and mentally, held down, restricted and imposed upon, they were not free to be real people.  They were people who were subject to physical, mental, psychological and sexual humiliation, threats, beatings and rapes.

THAT'S, abuse.

You ain't even close to that, if its just a matter of not getting what you want for Xmas, or being called exactly and only what you want.  Granted it might suck, I sure hate it when people call me "hey *sshole" instead of "dear tekla" but its only a passing (though frequent) deal.


I make up names for people.  I do it all the time, I've done it all my life.  Like Pet Names.  Drives some people crazy.  Most just live with it.   In the beginning of the relationship, it's a way I created to remember their names.  Often a pop culture reference is involved.  So, I have a friend named "Rob" who to me is not just "Rob" but that mary tyler moore "Oh, Rooobb" and I say it just like that (and I do a damn good mary tyler moore - at least vocally, on that line).  Other people, I make up a name for them.  All sorts of people call me all sorts of names.  In the course of a day I can be ____ (my given name - or the shortened version of it), Kat, Tink (short for tinkerbell, because of the work I do), one calls me "Doc" one calls me "Doctor Boner" (Don't ask), tekla, or some rather obscene things too.  How confusing is it to know when people are talking to you?  No matter what label they are using, I know they are talking to me.  I guess I'm all those people, all those names.  Really. 

So, it ain't your favorite name, (mine's Kat) but.... so it goes.

As for little brothers not getting you a present, and you getting bent about it... that's exactly what tons and tons of little brothers are like, trans or not.  I'll assume, that if he is like my little brother, he kept the money and spent it on himself. 

You were that (old) person to them for a long time.  Sometimes it takes a while for some people to come around.  Some never do.  Is a simple name worth a friendship, a family?  I don't know, never had to make that choice, but I try not to get too bent out of shape either.  After all, perhaps they meant "*sshole" in a good way.

'Ya never know.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Jody

 If you have to ask if your being bused than I think you are. You wouldn't ask other wise. I found out a long time ago that a "family" is not all that important. When conditions are placed on whether your accepted or not than it really isn't love.
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Terra

Tekla, actually I appreciate candor and straightforwardness as much as anything else people are to me. I see the wisdom in your posts, even if you are a bit gruff. ;)

I don't care if my brother gave me a gift or not, that wasn't the mixed feelings I was referencing to. I meant that we haven't seen or spoken to each other since he attacked me last summer. He is my little brother, and in ways he is a stronger person then I could probably be. I love him and forgave him a long time ago. I was hoping he would be able to do the same and we could start to repair the damage done.

That being said, he attacked me, he stated outright he is homophobic, and he said if he saw me again he would kill me. So him not being there was a bit of a relief. Those were my feelings. I could care less if I got anything for Christmas.

I'm not looking for the label of abuse, i'm not innocent in any regard when it comes to that. My sister and little brother could claim the same from me growing up. I did horrible things, and they did the some back. I was physical while they were emotional. My parents didn't help. We tried to put on the facade of a good family, but in actuality we were so broken and dysfunctional I doubt we can ever be a family in more then name.

In my posting I was trying to find reason. I have posted so many times on being sick of my family, of dealing with the drama and emotional roller coaster. I have wanted to walk away for over 3 years now, yet I can't. I always give a deadline and then miss it, so I make another and miss that one too. My friends noticed this and pointed it out to me that it was like battered spouse syndrome. I'm trying to sort out and deal with my problems and looking for the most impartial group I know, and my solution was Susan's place and the people on it.

I want to get rid of my drama, not create more. :icon_sadblinky:
"If you quit before you try, you don't deserve to dream." -grandmother
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soldierjane

When they don't use your name, don't answer. When they use the wrong pronouns, look at them as if they'd just gone loony. I don't think you should allow male pronouns and male name to remain in conversation either. Not among family, not anywhere. People will cozy up easily to holding on to any remnant of the old identity they can.
Maybe you should consider politely declining their offers of financial help.  Unfortunately, some parents think this affords them a measure of control over your life. Borrow from friends instead. I'd also have chilled my relations with them a bit by now. Should they ask wy, then state calmly that someone that either willingly ignores or doesn't care to acknowledge your core female identity is not worth you getting hurt over.
All people need time to adjust to our transitions, but some people are just stubborn and want to make it some kind of silent stand. Hope your family is not in that category.

Abuse? Naw, I don't think that could be called abuse, but it's certainly not nice.
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tekla

I remember someone once asking a friend of mine if he came from a dysfunctional family, and he said "I'm from California, the entire state is dysfunctional." 

I'm not sure that if you closely examined any family you could not find that.  I think most brothers and sisters fight, have power struggles, use physical and emotional and psychological weapons on each other in an effort to acquire scarce resources, claim territory and just plain dominate.  Just like nations do.  I've seen some pretty good families, but every family is a collection of people, and all people have issues, problems, quirks and bad days.  Most of the people I know have had bad years, so I can assume that its pretty common.

Its possible to walk away from bridges without burning them if you don't need to.  I know all sorts of brothers/sisters deal who went through periods, 5, 10 years without talking to each other, only to reestablish that relationship later in life, and have it be a really good deal.

Just put him on "ignore" for a while and don't worry about it too much. 
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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